Colt 1911's in 2007 - Buy or not Buy ?
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Unfortunately, you are mis-informed about what makes a target puncher. About 5-10% of accuracy can be attributed to slide to frame fit. What really makes a pistol accurate is the lock-up at bushing end and chamber end. Colts are made with the proper and ORIGINAL tolerances......overly tight production pistols can cause reliability issues.....maybe why we see 2 other manufacturers ream chambers and call for the expensive 500 round "break-ins" when frustrated owners send them back!!.......just my thought....
larry starling
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What mistakes are you referring to? And I'm sorry but your really missing the boat on the new Colt. I own 50+ Colts and I have been happy with everyone of them. Something I can't say about the other supposedly better quality 1911's available. Kimbers that require a so called break in...something none of my colts have had to have.
Nightcrawler
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I see your Schwarz is as big as mine...
The poll shows that Colt is trusted these days
So far, 65 members have entered a vote and since I am the one who posted the Colt poll and am in the market for a Colt 1911, I'm very encouraged with the results so far.
Let's see, 71% would very likely buy a 2007 Colt 1911
29% would probably or always pass on a new Colt 1911
Thanks for all your votes and input.
I was torn between a S&W Commander-sized scandium and the all stainless Colt Commander in the 1991 version. Since this 1911 purchase will not likely be for CCW (lighter=better IMO), I'm going with the all stainless Colt as soon as funds permit.
I'm so desiring this new Colt Commander that I may sell my trusty Sig Pro 9mm that is my main HD gun just to aquire the new Colt Commander (gun funds are very tight with my kids in college).
This poll shows me that a very large group of THR members have a positive view of today's Colt 1911. That tilts the scales for me.
Please keep voting and commenting. It is very helpful and informative.
So far, 65 members have entered a vote and since I am the one who posted the Colt poll and am in the market for a Colt 1911, I'm very encouraged with the results so far.
Let's see, 71% would very likely buy a 2007 Colt 1911
29% would probably or always pass on a new Colt 1911
Thanks for all your votes and input.
I was torn between a S&W Commander-sized scandium and the all stainless Colt Commander in the 1991 version. Since this 1911 purchase will not likely be for CCW (lighter=better IMO), I'm going with the all stainless Colt as soon as funds permit.
I'm so desiring this new Colt Commander that I may sell my trusty Sig Pro 9mm that is my main HD gun just to aquire the new Colt Commander (gun funds are very tight with my kids in college).
This poll shows me that a very large group of THR members have a positive view of today's Colt 1911. That tilts the scales for me.
Please keep voting and commenting. It is very helpful and informative.
I think the Colts are a heck of a gun for the money, esp. considering that they only cost about $100 more than SA's comparable Brazilian-made offerings. Wait 10-20 years and tell me which one has more collector's value.
At some of the gun shows here in Texas, I've seen blued series 80 for $639, stainless for $699. These are new guns.
My main gripe about the new Colt Series 80's centers around two things. First, they have a plastic mainspring housing. Doesn't affect function any, but sure looks cheap. Second, is the grip safety on the stainless guns. Some guys complain that it's more of a "duck-bill" than a beavertail. I don't mind the shape, but I do mind that it is obviously a MIM/cast piece of crud. You can actually see the divets where the metal was injected in to the casting mold. Wouldn't be so bad if it were an internal part, but looks really ugly and is there for all to see on the outside!!
I like the stainless commander more than the blued commander for one big reason. On the stainless, there is a relief cut under the triggerguard where it meets the grip. I find this much more comfortable for my hand.
All in all, I'd say the new production Colt's are good guns if you can find them at a good price, like they are here at the Texas shows. I hear all kinds of complaints about new Kimbers (maybe because they're selling so many of them!!!). I definitely DON'T think they are MORE reliable than the Colts. Baer/Brown/Wilson are good guns by all accounts(they should be at almost twice the price!). Buy a Colt and your (hopefully not) gun-hatin' grandkids will thank you when you're dead and they're selling off your gun collection to buy something stupid!!!! (Hopefully they'll love guns and treasure them!!!)
At some of the gun shows here in Texas, I've seen blued series 80 for $639, stainless for $699. These are new guns.
My main gripe about the new Colt Series 80's centers around two things. First, they have a plastic mainspring housing. Doesn't affect function any, but sure looks cheap. Second, is the grip safety on the stainless guns. Some guys complain that it's more of a "duck-bill" than a beavertail. I don't mind the shape, but I do mind that it is obviously a MIM/cast piece of crud. You can actually see the divets where the metal was injected in to the casting mold. Wouldn't be so bad if it were an internal part, but looks really ugly and is there for all to see on the outside!!
I like the stainless commander more than the blued commander for one big reason. On the stainless, there is a relief cut under the triggerguard where it meets the grip. I find this much more comfortable for my hand.
All in all, I'd say the new production Colt's are good guns if you can find them at a good price, like they are here at the Texas shows. I hear all kinds of complaints about new Kimbers (maybe because they're selling so many of them!!!). I definitely DON'T think they are MORE reliable than the Colts. Baer/Brown/Wilson are good guns by all accounts(they should be at almost twice the price!). Buy a Colt and your (hopefully not) gun-hatin' grandkids will thank you when you're dead and they're selling off your gun collection to buy something stupid!!!! (Hopefully they'll love guns and treasure them!!!)
HankB
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I have a pre-Series '70 Colt National Match. Nice gun.
I then bought a Colt 1911 Government Model Jammamatic. RARELY did it get through a full magazine of factory hardball from ANY manufacturer, regardless of what type of magazine was used.
Horrible gun . . . but what really soured me was Colt's factory NON-service. Colt's had the gun back repeatedly for warranty service, and repeatedly it came back as a jammamatic. Lying so-and-so's made NO effort to fix it, they just strung me along.
My opinion of Colt's ethics?
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My opinon of Colt's credibility?.
It will be a cold day in Hades before I buy another Colt product of ANY description.
I then bought a Colt 1911 Government Model Jammamatic. RARELY did it get through a full magazine of factory hardball from ANY manufacturer, regardless of what type of magazine was used.
Horrible gun . . . but what really soured me was Colt's factory NON-service. Colt's had the gun back repeatedly for warranty service, and repeatedly it came back as a jammamatic. Lying so-and-so's made NO effort to fix it, they just strung me along.
My opinion of Colt's ethics?
.My opinon of Colt's credibility?
.It will be a cold day in Hades before I buy another Colt product of ANY description.
WolfMansDad
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1911 slides are supposed to rattle, especially colt's. That's one of the things that makes them so reliable.
The one I bought was very tight and rough, and it wasn't reliable at all.
MICHAEL T
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Wooderson
My COLT DEFENDER says Series 90 Is this a mistake? Do I have a collector . I really hope not. As I carry and shoot it pretty regular. Hate to lock it up in a safe .
My COLT DEFENDER says Series 90 Is this a mistake? Do I have a collector . I really hope not. As I carry and shoot it pretty regular. Hate to lock it up in a safe .
Paul45 beat me to the punch on this one. I always love the gun store idiot that lines up the 1911's and declares the Colt to be the worst gun and the cheezy Kimber with snake skin serrations to be the best based on slide to frame fit. This is probably why Colt's work better out of the box--their slides have just enough "slop", go out and run a tight 1911 real hard and get it dirty, guess what happens?
To the guy stating that Colt's still have "questionable quality", I'd be willing to bet he's a dealer selling Kimbers and Springers
disclaimer
i have had many responses to my poorly worded generic naming of firing pin blocks inna 1911 as "schwarz" safeties. some polite corrections, and some best described as friendly fire. there really is no adjustable wrench system named a "crescent wrench" but a company named crescent does make adjustable wrenches...and when some one asks for a crescent wrench, what do they get handed?
still the thought that these are wasted time lingers in my mind. if you're worried about passing the peoples republic of kalyfornya drop test requirements, getta HD firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin. file a notch in the top, rear of the barrel hood for their loaded chamber indicator requirement.
{Nightcrawler--"I see your Schwarz is as big as mine"...IS THAT YOU, DARK HELMET?}
between the two, if i HAD to have a pin-block in my boxcar, i'd pick the swartz, as it has NO effect on the trigger pull, and is easier to reassemble in the frame than colts sheet metal trigger activated unit. [which also likes to hang up on the firing pin retainer plate machined mounting groove.]
and even though it was ~reported~ to be only 5-10% of the variables that need to be considered for an accurate 1911, would a bullseye shooter consider the slide clearances "non-issue"?
then there's the series 90 thing...c'mon guys, lets just try to give Fun2Shoot the answers he has aked for, and play nice???
gunnie
i have had many responses to my poorly worded generic naming of firing pin blocks inna 1911 as "schwarz" safeties. some polite corrections, and some best described as friendly fire. there really is no adjustable wrench system named a "crescent wrench" but a company named crescent does make adjustable wrenches...and when some one asks for a crescent wrench, what do they get handed?
still the thought that these are wasted time lingers in my mind. if you're worried about passing the peoples republic of kalyfornya drop test requirements, getta HD firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin. file a notch in the top, rear of the barrel hood for their loaded chamber indicator requirement.
{Nightcrawler--"I see your Schwarz is as big as mine"...IS THAT YOU, DARK HELMET?}
between the two, if i HAD to have a pin-block in my boxcar, i'd pick the swartz, as it has NO effect on the trigger pull, and is easier to reassemble in the frame than colts sheet metal trigger activated unit. [which also likes to hang up on the firing pin retainer plate machined mounting groove.]
and even though it was ~reported~ to be only 5-10% of the variables that need to be considered for an accurate 1911, would a bullseye shooter consider the slide clearances "non-issue"?
then there's the series 90 thing...c'mon guys, lets just try to give Fun2Shoot the answers he has aked for, and play nice???
gunnie
disclaimer
i have had many responses to my poorly worded generic naming of firing pin blocks inna 1911 as "schwarz" safeties. some polite corrections, and some best described as friendly fire. there really is no adjustable wrench system named a "crescent wrench" but a company named crescent does make adjustable wrenches...and when some one asks for a crescent wrench, what do they get handed?
still the thought that these are wasted time lingers in my mind. if you're worried about passing the peoples republic of kalyfornya drop test requirements, getta HD firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin. file a notch in the top, rear of the barrel hood for their loaded chamber indicator requirement.
{Nightcrawler--"I see your Schwarz is as big as mine"...IS THAT YOU, DARK HELMET?}
between the two, if i HAD to have a pin-block in my boxcar, i'd pick the swartz, as it has NO effect on the trigger pull, and is easier to reassemble in the frame than colt's sheet metal trigger activated unit. [which also likes to hang up on the firing pin retainer plate machined mounting groove.]
and even though it was reported to be only 5-10% of the variables that need to be considered for an accurate 1911, would a bullseye shooter consider the slide clearances "non-issue"?
then there's the series 90 thing...c'mon guys, lets just try to give Fun2Shoot the answers he has aked for, and try to play nice???
gunnie
i have had many responses to my poorly worded generic naming of firing pin blocks inna 1911 as "schwarz" safeties. some polite corrections, and some best described as friendly fire. there really is no adjustable wrench system named a "crescent wrench" but a company named crescent does make adjustable wrenches...and when some one asks for a crescent wrench, what do they get handed?
still the thought that these are wasted time lingers in my mind. if you're worried about passing the peoples republic of kalyfornya drop test requirements, getta HD firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin. file a notch in the top, rear of the barrel hood for their loaded chamber indicator requirement.
{Nightcrawler--"I see your Schwarz is as big as mine"...IS THAT YOU, DARK HELMET?}
between the two, if i HAD to have a pin-block in my boxcar, i'd pick the swartz, as it has NO effect on the trigger pull, and is easier to reassemble in the frame than colt's sheet metal trigger activated unit. [which also likes to hang up on the firing pin retainer plate machined mounting groove.]
and even though it was reported to be only 5-10% of the variables that need to be considered for an accurate 1911, would a bullseye shooter consider the slide clearances "non-issue"?
then there's the series 90 thing...c'mon guys, lets just try to give Fun2Shoot the answers he has aked for, and try to play nice???
gunnie
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