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Combustin Paper Fer Cartridges

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Manyirons, Jul 1, 2006.

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  1. Manyirons

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    Tha BOSS got sick and tired of tha ciggie paper and delays in firin, and tha point they aint exactly whatya might call TOUGH.

    SO, gettin to tha point, he now has nitrided flash paper fer cartridge buildin an its heavier stock and DEFINATELY goes POOF!
     
  2. Old Fuff

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    Model airplane builders often use a material called "silkspan" to cover the wings and whatever. It is a thin, fiber-reenforced, flexable paper (not unlike the stock that paper money is printed on, but thinner,) that I found to be excellent for making cartridges - much better then cig-paper.
     
  3. Manyirons

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    Fluff!

    Happy ta see ya! Yup, he tried simular, but wanted a total combustin and i mean REALLY combustin product, no embers or anythin left over so's he simply started makin these.

    Did some with paper youd use fer business cards, they go POOF right good but nobody would believe it!
     
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    I should have added that I would make up a saturated Potassium Nitrate/water solution, pour it into a cake pan, and dip the paper sheets therein. Then hang them on a line to dry. My cartridges didn't leave nut'ten behind. :eek: :)
     
  5. Manyirons

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    Tha BOSS did his nitrite thing on an old granite plate an spray bottle. These newer ones is flash paper, they goes POOF, dont exactly burn slow. Thas what he wanted, so's no matter HOW much paper is up agin flash hole they goes BOOM right now.

    These is soaked in two acids an neutrilized, dont know tha workin of it jus watchan TRY an learn!
     
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    Ouch...

    ..pretty painful reading.

    Lots of spell check programs available for free...
     
  7. Oldnamvet

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    Two acids, probably nitric and sulfuric. Hmmm...... that is the basis for making gun cotton! No wonder they go *poof* so well.
     
  8. oldwheat

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    ......Yerp, Yer basic nitrocellulose......Sounds intriguing......
     
  9. Manyirons

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    Thas it! Jus like tha stuff i usta get in magic shop when i wassa kid! GREAT fer those fire off yer fingers things.

    Goes POOF so fast, doesnt have time ta burn ya!
     
  10. Dark Helmet

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    Way back in the day.... I made my own by heating up several ounces of saltpeter in a small pan of water to get a good concentration and soaking a couple of sheets of onionskin typewriter paper at a time. Dry them out, cut to size, made myself some combustible cartridges!:D
     
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    High yield stump remover- available at the local garden store is mostly potassium nitrate. Need to boil and strain off a bit of goop and let the Kn02 precipitate out though.
     
  12. Old Fuff

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    Interesting... Sounds like neat trick. ;)
     
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    Be Careful!

    Don't use TOO much!!
    Duncan
     

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  14. Manyirons

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    LOL!!! :) DONE that!
     
  15. Oldnamvet

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    MEC,
    I think you meant KNO3. KNO2 is potassium nitrite not nitrate. Chemistry is one of my hobbies.:D
     
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    I wanted chemistry to be one of my hobbies too but the wife, well she knows me and knows the only thing I'm gonna make is stuff that goes bang. so that a no-no on the chemistry front:(
     
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    potassium nitrate.....

    is it readily available.....and how is it mixed...50/50....75/25...?
     
  18. TMM

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    good question... how is this special paper actually made? and what paper should it be used on?

    ~tmm
     
  19. Dark Helmet

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    TMM- how combustible cartridges are made!

    See my post # 10 above, after the paper dries wrap a piece around a dowel and either slightly moisten or use a very small amount of glue (careful you don't stick it to your dowel or whatever you settle on for a form) on the side and one end (leave a little hanging off the end of your form and fold it in on itself), let dry and slide it off. When you're sure it's really dry put in your powder charge and either fold or maybe twist the end closed , again a little glue to hold it closed. When that's dry, to use simply break in two, dumping the powder in your muzzle/chamber and the paper with it! Seat your ball/bullet as usual, cap and fire!
     
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    This is not nitrate soaked paper - this is nitrated paper. Big difference - this goes up all at once, while nitrated paper burns only a touch faster than ordinary paper. The big difference is that this is for revolvers mainly, so that paper cartridges can be seated without fear of the cap's flash not reaching the charge because of the paper. :)
     
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    details on preparation

    I have been getting my potassium nitrate and sulfur from the local drug store for 20 years but now I have to order it can anyone give me a safe and reliable recipe for making paper cartridges for my b/p revolvers. I. E. how much water , pot. nitrate. ?? sulfur ?? , type of paper. I will experiment but don't want to do it wrong.
     
  22. Manyirons

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    Dont matter cause these AINT paper soaked on Potassium Nitrate solution theys FLASH PAPER, an thas a WHOLE different thing!

    Ya needs acids (2) neutrilizer an skill. Point is, no matter HOW MUCH paper with these ya gets up again tha flash hole, it AINT GONNA HANG FIRE!

    Ifin ya wants simple paper soaked in potnit, jus wake a saturated solution, ya know , as much PotNit as tha water can take, put er in a spray bottle, put yer paer onna marble, granite or other smooth surface that aint gonna soak in anythin, give a goodly spray, let em dry, peel em off an go.

    BUT THEY AINT FLASH PAPER!
     
  23. Dark Helmet

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    But it works well none the less . Use the smallest quantity of water that you can work with, maybe a cup or two, so it won't take so much saltpeter. Just put as much as your water will dissolve( a saturated solution) or heat it a little and add more for a super saturated solution. I soaked mine in the warm solution a little while. It will even burn when its a little wet that way.:p save the solution in something that closes well. If you put enough in it will get a little crusty in there as it cools. Add a little water, stir and transfer back into whatever you heated it in the start with for the next batch!
     
  24. Manyirons

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    Not ta be disagreeable, but they dont always, (tha soaked paper) work well. Smolders. One a tha reasons theys developed fer sale, cowboy action shootin and huntin. In a hurry that soaked paper can get bunched agin tha flashhole. Hangfire er no fire.

    Flashpaper, aint no hangfire even if ya takes a whole sheet and bunches it down there first.

    So when its important, ya wants somethin a bit more combustable.
     
  25. Dark Helmet

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    I always broke mine as i was loading them - no hangfires.
     
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