Compact CCW with External Safeties

[skinewmexico]

The XD has a grip safety, and a trigger safety. Why would you need a 3rd safety?

 

[FranklyTodd]

From a usability standpoint, the slide mounted Beretta safeties are badly designed. Anyone working with the slide has a very high probability of activating the safety unintentionally.

I'm not trying to convince you that your opinion is wrong, but this seems like a new shooter looking for advice, and you are throwing out your personal bias as if it's a statistically proven fact.

It would be more helpful to the OP for you to either back up your assertion with data, or couch it in terms of "in my opinion."

There's no way there's a "high probability" that the safety will go on unintentionally. That's the largest exaggeration in the history of this board.

(get the irony there, I exaggerated in describing your exaggeration )

 

[BlindJustice]

Quote:
The CZ75B safety is usable in double action if you lower the hammer to the safety notch (as the decocker version does) instead of all the way down.
Regards,
Greg

The decocker CZs have a D suffix such as the CZ 75BD - on this model
the thumb safety is changed to a Decocker lever There is NO external safety on the Decocker models. ON models with the thumb safety the thumb safety can ONLY be engaged with the hammer at Full Cock. Lowering the hammer manually to the "Safety Notch" is the correct position to lower it
to as the manual states. This is the same position the Decocker lowers the hammer to so the hammer should never be lowered all the way down on a
non-de-cocker model, even though it has a firing pin block.

The CZ Compacts with steel frames in 9mmx19 and .40 S&W have the
external safeties, the P01/P06 & PCR are Decocker models.

The various 1911 design guns with 3"-3.5" Officer's models
have external safeties.

Randall

 

[Pilot]

I have never seen a CZ-75B where the manual safety can be engaged other than at full cock, allowing cocked and locked carry.

 

[crebralfix]

I'm not trying to convince you that your opinion is wrong, but this seems like a new shooter looking for advice, and you are throwing out your personal bias as if it's a statistically proven fact.

It would be more helpful to the OP for you to either back up your assertion with data, or couch it in terms of "in my opinion."

There's no way there's a "high probability" that the safety will go on unintentionally. That's the largest exaggeration in the history of this board.

(get the irony there, I exaggerated in describing your exaggeration )

Exaggerating the exaggeration through hyperbolically exaggerating...

No stats are needed.

I have seen many people do this with M9's. Every time a class hits the range with FPF Training, someone rents one. Invariably, they'll do the above. It happens more than once; usually when they're going for speed or there's a bit of pressure on them.

So, in terms of the OP's original post: safeties should be located in an area similar to that of the 1911.

Another gun I do not recommend is the SIG P220 SAO. The safety, though mostly in the correct area, is too small and placed too far forward to shoot with your thumb on it. The tang of the pistol is too low and the safety too far forward and high in relation to the web of the hand. I'm sure someone with huge hands wouldn't have trouble with it, but the rest of the folks won't be able to really work it well.

 

[FranklyTodd]

Thanks!

Every time a class hits the range with FPF Training, someone rents one. Invariably, they'll do the above.

See how much more informative this is? We've gone from the gun is practically useless -- no, worse than useless, dangerous -- to "when people unfamiliar with its operation rent one, they sometimes screw up and put the safety on when they don't mean to."

Still relevant info, but restricting your observed data set to gun-renters does put it in a whole new light...

 

[skwab]

I have a taurus 24/7 C and it comes with external safety. It's a nice carry gun and I've yet to have a single malfunction.

 

[NG VI]

Also, I was looking hard at a CZ 75B Compact either 9x19 or .40 S&W when I got my PCR. I liked the safety the Compact sports, but I liked the weight, look, and history of the PCR (Police of the Czech Republic). Plus I liked that it is sort of an oddball model that may eventually be axed from the line-up if CZ should decide to give up a great pistol with a good following. I plan on getting some other 75 pistols later, but the PCR is what I picked for my first small frame CZ.

Also, the USP pistols in Variant One (and whichever Variant is one but lefthanded, maybe 2?) have my favorite control lever ever, frame mounted, up for safe, down for fire, push past fire for decock, can be carried hammer down off safe, hammer down on safe, cocked and locked, or if you're feeling dangerous cocked and unlocked (please don't). I don't know of any other pistol that has a control lever that covers that many types of operation, except the Beretta 86 someone earlier mentioned.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Old and discontinued, but reliable...Firestar M43, M40 and M45

 

[Nimble1]

Taurus PT145

Love my Taurus..carry one in the chamber and safety on. Very concealabe with a Crossbreed IWB.

 

[gb6491]

...ON models with the thumb safety the thumb safety can ONLY be engaged with the hammer at Full Cock. Lowering the hammer manually to the "Safety Notch" is the correct position to lower it
to as the manual states. This is the same position the Decocker lowers the hammer to so the hammer should never be lowered all the way down on a non-de-cocker model, even though it has a firing pin block....

That seems/is correct for a stock pistol and ,as I stated here I was going off "half cocked" about the safety in the post you quoted However, on my particular 75B it is possible to engage the safety when the hammer is at the safety notch. I bought my pistol used and it was evident that there had been some custom work done on it.This might be the reason my pistol functions in such a manner (some discussion here) I have not had any problems with it in the 700 or so rounds I have put though it.

I have never seen a CZ-75B where the manual safety can be engaged other than at full cock, allowing cocked and locked carry.

Here's a quick video of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWy649JdMQ

Regards,
Greg

 

[NG VI]

I wish mine would work at half-cock. But I am pretty happy with them as is, oh well.

 

[velobard]

You might consider a Bersa. My wife loves her Bersa Thunder 9 UC. You'll have a choice in caliber from .380 to .45.

If there's more room in your budget, consider one of the Kimber Ultra models. A good value in the Kimber line right now is the Kimber Crimson Carry for about $900 with 3" to 5" barrel options, complete with rosewood Crimson Trace grips.

 

[dmazur]

The XD has a grip safety, and a trigger safety. Why would you need a 3rd safety?

Not that the pistol involved was an XD, but the recent Marshall holstering ND could have been prevented with a pistol with an honest thumb safety. (Provided the officer used it.)

The anti-thumb safety folks say these take too long to flick off...

What are they for? To keep the gun from discharging when you stuff it in the holster with your finger inside the trigger guard (or a shirt tail does the same thing.)

For folks that have XD's, and are aware of the potential for this, they can seat the pistol in the holster with their thumb on the slide, activating the grip safety. If you don't to this, you've possibly deactivated the remaining safety in event of a trigger snarl.

It's true that the only safety is the one between your ears, but an honest answer to the question would be, because things can go wrong.

 

[loop]

There are a ton of options. Maybe you need to look at what will work best with your mode of carry.