js8588
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Since you handload, take a look at 6.5x55 while you're at it. Loaded properly, it beats the Creedmoor.
Compare 25-06 & .270 & .243?
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Since you handload, take a look at 6.5x55 while you're at it. Loaded properly, it beats the Creedmoor.
I'll help you, take the creed numbers and run em with a 123, a 142, and a 156!
Then there's .243 (sav, rem, Ruger barrel) with Bergers and the tgk, and the 103, then there's the faster twist barrels with the 103+, or the 6 cm with the 103 + lol glad I could help!
Yeah, we've seen how all those WSSM cartridges continue to dominate the hunting marketplace."Age" nut was a reference to rifles not cartridges, i.e. Savage, remage, or the unicorn rugage.
As far as age itself goes, 06 just got luckier than krag, we're already moving back towards something closer to the .300 Savage, .250-3000 design to make use of short action cartridge design in a more appropriate manner, something more efficient always finds its way to the top. A .250 ai bites the 06 counterpart in the butt with noticeably less powder, it's cool how the manufacturer's are figuring these things out! Attempting to recreate ol .284 shortER action performance in something stamped prc, or the tc/Savage cartridges into creeds. Bonded, aframe, and monometals being pushed by better powders to allow 22 cf a credible reliable claim to larger game. Old is cool in its own way (still got a krag, Brit, and .30-30) but needed, they aren't.
Not wsm, the creeds and prcs and x284 normas are picking up more followers just as the .223 and 7.62x39 and grendel variants are finding their way into the hunting fields more and more, and not without reason.
Eta, as I've said before, shooting a non metric is a want based solution, shoot what you want, enjoy it, and enjoy that we CAN make these choices!
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Chuck R.
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I'm in a similar range with two .270s; my Steyr Mod M with 23.5" barrel is 3130 with IMR4831 and a Nosler M48 24" is 3156 with H4831SC. I actually got the M48 just shy of 3200 (Jack O' Conner load), but the accuracy was down a little. I switched to H4831SC to gain some temp stability and have chron'd it at 72 and 18 degrees without a gross change.
Legionnaire
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Were I starting out all over again, I'd probably jump on the 6.5 Creedmoor. It is a great round. However, already having a couple of .260 Remingtons, I'll stick with them. But I will stipulate that the 6.5 Creedmoor is an outstanding cartridge, especially as a factory-loaded round.
But you're a handloader. If you want to be cool, take a look at a .260 Ackley.
Com'on horsey, lets get you back to the padded reloading room before you infect any more poor souls.........
Gotta admit, besides being ugly...REAAAAALLLY ugly....those were/are(ish) pretty badass lol
troy fairweather
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I really enjoyed the 2 brownings my dad had in wssm.
Yeah I don't wanna breathe the 6.5ihsmaai on someone.
Com'on horsey, lets get you back to the padded reloading room before you infect any more poor souls.........
They'll still be upset the first time they see a puny 156 gr pill drift less in the wind than a 180 gr round nose being pushed 26-2800 and THEN there'll be torches and pitchforks out trying to lynch you, me, sniper66 and anyone else toting the evil .264 ishmy! (Sounds cool though!)
You missed an "S" in reading my post you quoted into your own.
https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/prod...r-super-x-120gr-positive-expanding-point-ammo
https://answers.fieldandstream.com/forum/guns/rifles/42368-what-do-i-do-with-my-25-wssm
Tell me what your .250 AI load is with 110 grain Nosler Accubond with 3250 fps muzzle velocity from a 24" long barrel. These. 25-06 loads are just up my alley, although my purchasing experience with Doubletap was such I'll become a reloader before I order directly from DT again. Thankfully Underwood has been very straightforward with my orders.
http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=303_307&product_id=355
https://www.underwoodammo.com/colle...osler-accubond-spitzer?variant=18785712242745
Or 120 grain Partition at 3090 fps MV. Note all of this ammo is not .25-06 AI.
http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=303_307&product_id=357
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We can always poke em with a stick all gumpy like, and just shout in old man voices IshMYN!
I ran 115gr bergers out of mine at 3100 from its 26"
Before It (and i just realized my scope) walked away with my ffl buddy, i bought some 110EldXs that ill be loading up for him to try. Im not actually expecting to beat the bergers for velocity, they had less bearing surface from what i could see.
I want to get a fast twist and try the blackjacks....might be a .257 tho depending on.....stuff
cdb1
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I’ve shot a Winchester M70, Weatherby Mark V and a couple of Remington 700’s in 25-06. The recoil on all felt snappier for lack of a better term than on a .270 or 30-6. I didn’t care for it. This is subjective but I felt what I felt. So even if I felt the need or want for a .257 caliber rifle it wouldn’t be a 25-06, it has never appealed to me. Since I have rifles in .243, .264 and .277 caliber I don’t feel the need. As for wants I wouldn’t mind a .257 Roberts or a .257 Weatherby(which in my mind justifies snappy recoil where a 25-06 doesn’t).
The .250ai should run ballpark 150 to 200 fps behind the .25-06 using roughly 10 gr less powder, biting it in the butt, not beating it, but close enough to the heels to make note, as you said I did miss an "s" but as I've never even looked at the wssms without snickering some I didn't see the relevance?
If ballistic numbers and an extra 190 fps mean enough to put the quarter 06 on a pedestal, then perhaps we are barking up the wrong tree and need a weatherby stamp for the magnumitis? Or apply the concept to the whole 06 family and keeping variances within 10 gr charge weights, kick out the .270 for the .270 wsm, the .280 for the .280 ai and 7 rem mag, the 06 for a buncha magnums that are marginally faster so must be better and the list goes on and on. The efficiently designed cartridges may not be an answer to a question half the hunting population knew to ask, but by golly they're coming anyway! In a few more generations of shooters the efficiency of delivery will be weighed much more than just raw power and nostalgia. There's nothing I've seen or heard done from the non metrics that the metrics don't match, nevertheless, I still smile when I squeeze a round outta my old krag. I'm not telling anyone to change their church, but the practical reality favors the details.
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I became enamored with the quarter-bores around 20 years ago after I picked up a Bob while I was working for an Auctioneer - it wasn’t drawing bids, and I knew I could move it for a profit (and I eventually did). In my research thereafter, I found a nearly cult-like following for quarter bores, and I tried a few, including the 25-06, and I even used it for one of those fabled west KS speedgoat hunts for which it was supposedly ideal.
Today, I have no 25 cals. I came very close this year to buying a barrel to convert to 25 Creed, but ultimately decided against doing so.
My headache with the 270win and 25-06 is one of efficiency for the task. Short action cartridge performance in the field, but at the cost of shorter barrel life and higher powder cost.
Alternatively, I do still have a 243win and 243AI, two 6 creeds, a pair of 6 Dashers, and a 243LBC. There’s a lot which can be accomplished by short action 6mm’s.
Today, I have no 25 cals. I came very close this year to buying a barrel to convert to 25 Creed, but ultimately decided against doing so.
My headache with the 270win and 25-06 is one of efficiency for the task. Short action cartridge performance in the field, but at the cost of shorter barrel life and higher powder cost.
Alternatively, I do still have a 243win and 243AI, two 6 creeds, a pair of 6 Dashers, and a 243LBC. There’s a lot which can be accomplished by short action 6mm’s.
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rbernie
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I have always wondered why there were no serious efforts to make a modern short-action 25cal chambering - as much as I like the 'Bob, case taper and all, having a 25WSM or equivalent (not the WSSM) would be swoopy. I like the performance of the Weatherby Mag, but it'd be nice to get a redux of the notion in a beltless magnum short action format.
257 PRC!!!!
It would probably fit comfortably in a short action, unlike the 6.5.......
.25-284 would be cool too....might do one of those at some point.
troy fairweather
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I think my dad still has his 25-348 reamer if you get a rimmed action. A 25-284 would be nice.
mustanger98
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Stock-to-operator fit can play a bigger part than the cartridge. I figure that's why we all subjectively feel what we feel. When I was a kid, I found big recoil to be rather frightening, but having grown up and learned more, if I don't like to shoot a particular rifle as it sits, I look into re-stocking it. I've seen recoil calmed way down that way.
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cdb1
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Except I own or have shot the same model rifles in other cartridges with no issues. Being a big bird hunter I’m all into and all about stock fit. In my case it’s the cartridge, not the stock.
No magnumitis nor even Ackleyism in me. My only magnum is a 26" barreled .264 Winchester Magnum which complements my effective 24" barreled .25-06 Remington for places like the top of the Texas Panhandle and similar terrain. And all with purchased ammo, I'm not (yet) a reloader. It's the only 6.5mm cartridge in my battery and I see no need for any others for my uses.
https://shop.reedsammo.com/264-Win-Mag_c392.htm
Seems like you focus on swinging a pendulum to its extreme limts deriding anything in between. Are you employed in the political world?
I'm well experienced with those with solutions seeking to convince me of a problem.
mustanger98
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Just goes back to the part about how everybody's different.
Nothing I've explained has yet pushed an extreme, the extremes would be (for example only) a 6.5 Grendel to 7 stw, and unlike the politicians you insinuate I'm similar to, I've no need for your vote, the illustration for education will be utilized or not and as long as you're enjoying your time afield then it really makes little difference.
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