JImbothefiveth
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I'm sure Feinstein will introduce a bill, to insure he's guilty of something.
Compton CA gun buyback in the news today...
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Lightninstrike
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At the risk of sounding negative, I am just having a hard time believing this is an effective way to disarm criminals. My guess is that the the people who do show up to turn in weapons are probably law abiding for the most part and just looking to make a few bucks by turning in a gun that has been laying around gathering dust. I doubt the hardened criminal element will be swayed by an offer of a 100 bucks to part with their gat.
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‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’
— Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
At the risk of sounding negative, I am just having a hard time believing this is an effective way to disarm criminals. My guess is that the the people who do show up to turn in weapons are probably law abiding for the most part and just looking to make a few bucks by turning in a gun that has been laying around gathering dust. I doubt the hardened criminal element will be swayed by an offer of a 100 bucks to part with their gat.
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‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’
— Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
Deus Machina
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Oh, it doesn't lessen crime in the least. It's a feel-good measure.
The people they actually want to get the guns from know that turning in the gun will get them $100, but they can keep it to get $50 half a dozen times, at least, until they have to ditch it.
The people they actually want to get the guns from know that turning in the gun will get them $100, but they can keep it to get $50 half a dozen times, at least, until they have to ditch it.
doc540
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While home for lunch I saw this story on CNN and noticed an SKS had been turned in as an assault rifle.
I mean, there are so many angles open to comment.
I mean, there are so many angles open to comment.
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This is a singularly wrongheaded idea. It is clear from dozens of psychological studies that giving external rewards for an activity that has intrinsic interest has the effect of undermining that intrinsic interest.
In one experiment, participants in a drug treatment program were paid for attending meetings. When the payments stopped, attendance fell off sharply. In a matched control group whose members were never paid, attendance stayed high.
In one experiment, participants in a drug treatment program were paid for attending meetings. When the payments stopped, attendance fell off sharply. In a matched control group whose members were never paid, attendance stayed high.
Kind of Blued
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I really wish you'd quit making uneducated guesses and stating them as fact. If you can provide a statute, I'd like to see it.
They did one here recently too. $75 gift card. The guns I saw all these idiots bringing in on the news to drop off for $75 just made me sick. :banghead:
I am seriously considering consulting a lawyer and then holding my own gun buyback...that I'll sell back to some law abiding citizen instead of destroying it. Makes economic sense and gets good guns out of the hands of people that are too stupid to own them.
:banghead:I am seriously considering consulting a lawyer and then holding my own gun buyback...that I'll sell back to some law abiding citizen instead of destroying it. Makes economic sense and gets good guns out of the hands of people that are too stupid to own them.
FoMoGo
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Hell... I worked overnight in Compton at a phone CO there.
Walked to the convenient store and paid the wide eyed girl behind the bullet proof glass for my coke.
She stared at me and asked... "You DO know where you are right?"
Yep...
"And you DO realize what color you are?"
Yep...
"Mister, I dont even walk the streets here at night"
Thats OK... I will try not to scare everyone back inside.
And I gave her a wink as I walked out the door.
Yes, I got looks and stares as I was walking to and from the store.
No, I was never threatened, cat called, or followed.
6'4" 300lb white guy with a beard walking the streets of Compton at 3AM looks out of place... hell... they may have been more concerned with who I was and what I was doing there than I was about what might have happened.
Part of making it out of a bad area is attitude, confidence, and how you carry yourself.
Look like a sheep... become a victim.
Look like the wolf... and the other wolves tend to keep their distance.
It doesnt always work... but so far it has for me.
I wont tell you that I was armed to the teeth, that would have been illegal.
Jim
Walked to the convenient store and paid the wide eyed girl behind the bullet proof glass for my coke.
She stared at me and asked... "You DO know where you are right?"
Yep...
"And you DO realize what color you are?"
Yep...
"Mister, I dont even walk the streets here at night"
Thats OK... I will try not to scare everyone back inside.
And I gave her a wink as I walked out the door.
Yes, I got looks and stares as I was walking to and from the store.
No, I was never threatened, cat called, or followed.
6'4" 300lb white guy with a beard walking the streets of Compton at 3AM looks out of place... hell... they may have been more concerned with who I was and what I was doing there than I was about what might have happened.
Part of making it out of a bad area is attitude, confidence, and how you carry yourself.
Look like a sheep... become a victim.
Look like the wolf... and the other wolves tend to keep their distance.
It doesnt always work... but so far it has for me.
I wont tell you that I was armed to the teeth, that would have been illegal.
Jim
Handing over a bunch of cheap Lorcin/Raven/Jennings/other POS .25ACP suicide special is a good idea....But when was the last time you saw one for sale? I've seen ONE Lorcin at a show, and they wanted $110 for it. I guess enough of them have been melted that there is a collector market now!
BHP FAN
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The problem with gun buy backs here in California is that they advertise them about two weeks ahead of time,and then experience a two week rash of burglaries,and NEVER make the connection.
FoMoGo
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3 stories with the 10 foot fence with concertina wire at the top?
Jim
I'm calling b.s. about Compton being super dangerous for white people. It didn't seem particularly dangerous when I drove through there.
I dropped a buddy off at LAX once and got lost leaving. I ended up driving for quite some time though Compton in a bright red convertible miata. I even ended up asking directions from a few homeboys standing outside a store.
No one gave me a second glance. I did see a bunch of poor people and drove by a few scrapped automobiles in yards, but no one threatened me.
/Probably be bad for the biz if you beat up and scared prospective clients.
//Or maybe they were all super intimated by my aviators, sandy blond hair, carhartts and tough demeanor.
I dropped a buddy off at LAX once and got lost leaving. I ended up driving for quite some time though Compton in a bright red convertible miata. I even ended up asking directions from a few homeboys standing outside a store.
No one gave me a second glance. I did see a bunch of poor people and drove by a few scrapped automobiles in yards, but no one threatened me.
/Probably be bad for the biz if you beat up and scared prospective clients.
//Or maybe they were all super intimated by my aviators, sandy blond hair, carhartts and tough demeanor.
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BHP FAN
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Compton is VERY bad news.In your red sports car,they probably thought you were their gang's ''supplier''...
longdayjake
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How can people hate eachother so much as to want to kill eachother over thier color and current position in a city? I just can't understand such disdain for others.
However, if I lived in such a society I would probably be out looking for all the dudes that I know have guns and pop them one in the head and take their gun and sell it. Repeat it a few times and I would have enough gift certificates to buy something that someone else would want to kill me over. I wonder how many people get mugged for their newly aquired gift certificate.
However, if I lived in such a society I would probably be out looking for all the dudes that I know have guns and pop them one in the head and take their gun and sell it. Repeat it a few times and I would have enough gift certificates to buy something that someone else would want to kill me over. I wonder how many people get mugged for their newly aquired gift certificate.
expvideo
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The truth hurts. As politically incorrect as it may be, there are some places where it is dangerous to be white. And not going there because you are white is not racist. It's avoiding a problem that doesn't have to happen. I learned a long time ago that the best way to walk away from a gun fight is to not be there. Pretending that we're all the same and that the color of your skin can't get you killed/mugged/raped in certain neighborhoods does not make you a more accepting and tollerant person, it makes you ignorant and it's really bad for your health. Please don't call people racist just for not wanting to go somewhere that they feel unsafe.
Oddly enough, it's not "racist" to point out that there are still places where it is dangerous to be black. Because it's ok to admit that white people can be dangerous. But God forbid someone insinuate that people of other races are capable of the same hatred. That would make us equals. We wouldn't want that, now would we
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VINTAGE-SLOTCARS
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Wanna cry ,,,I worked the area (compton-willowbrook)in 1982-1987, The Gang unit arrested a sh.. head with a German artillary luger. The weapon was to be destroyed as there was no record in the firearm system!!!!!
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Wanna cry ,,,I worked the area (compton-willowbrook)in 1982-1987, The Gang unit arrested a sh.. head with a German artillary luger. The weapon was to be destroyed as there was no record in the firearm system!!!!!
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As to the race stuff, expvideo couldn't have put it better.
As to the gun buyback stuff, hey, if you could get a bunch of either non-working, or barely working crap and pass it off on the cops, why not? I wouldn't give them milsurp rifles both because of the historical value as well as the fact that eventually, they all go up in price.
But, cheap used pieces? I'd try to buy 10 or 15 of 'em.
As to the gun buyback stuff, hey, if you could get a bunch of either non-working, or barely working crap and pass it off on the cops, why not? I wouldn't give them milsurp rifles both because of the historical value as well as the fact that eventually, they all go up in price.
But, cheap used pieces? I'd try to buy 10 or 15 of 'em.
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