NMGonzo
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That wasn't his gun in his pocket, wandering eyes mccane ...
Concealed carriers can be the worst people.
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hardluk1
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Me too ,just a comfy hand rest. Maybe the tread starter is just a bit jumpy too.
wild cat mccane
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I thought CAN in the title would mediate any reaction that I thought all ccw people were bad. Especially since I am one, and I labeled myself as one.
If I represented myself as being emotional about the situation, I think I must apologize. The mirror is also available to those attacking me for being offended that I noticed someone almost drawing their gun on person with 3 girls and about 20 feet away from them.
Good day.
If I represented myself as being emotional about the situation, I think I must apologize. The mirror is also available to those attacking me for being offended that I noticed someone almost drawing their gun on person with 3 girls and about 20 feet away from them.
Good day.
Deanimator
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And you knew they were LAWFULLY carrying HOW?
Or do you not distinguish between LAWFUL concealed carriers and criminals?
Do you think that the actions of a holdup man with a gun in his pocket reflect badly on somebody with a valid CCW credential? If so, WHY?
Of course where I live, if you're carrying into a bar, you're by definition a criminal.
No, you represented yourself perfectly clearly.
You're the sort of person who refers to a woman as "my lady" and gets aggressive when someone at a bar looks at her. And yes, a "look" can be aggressive. You should know that. A look is all it takes for two dogs to fight, and people aren't much different.
Then, you are paranoid about the intentions of others.
And you don't even recognize these things, because you seem surprised when we point them out.
I think you should reconsider whether you should be carrying a gun. Seriously. Stay out of the trouble you seem to want to get into.
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Cosmoline
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. STAY OUT OF BARS. They are a nexus of criminal misconduct. Brewpubs are generally fine. But a lot of idiots go to bars looking for trouble, then get drunk which makes them even more dangerous.
texas bulldog
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it was mentioned earlier and seemed to go unnoticed...
you probably could have diffused the situation by greeting the fellows as you walked past. this would have done a few things things:
1. brought their attention to you instead of "your lady", even if only momentarily, thus breaking the "20 second stare".
2. let them know that you are paying attention to them. if they're criminal thugs as opposed to lawful carriers, they will (typically) be less likely to choose a target that seems aware of their surroundings.
3. if they were actually lawful carriers as you suggest, it might have conveyed that you were a friendly fellow citizen rather than the threat they perhaps interpreted you to be.
i understand what you believe the situation to have been, but keep in mind that your look may well have identified you as the threat in this person's eyes.
you probably could have diffused the situation by greeting the fellows as you walked past. this would have done a few things things:
1. brought their attention to you instead of "your lady", even if only momentarily, thus breaking the "20 second stare".
2. let them know that you are paying attention to them. if they're criminal thugs as opposed to lawful carriers, they will (typically) be less likely to choose a target that seems aware of their surroundings.
3. if they were actually lawful carriers as you suggest, it might have conveyed that you were a friendly fellow citizen rather than the threat they perhaps interpreted you to be.
i understand what you believe the situation to have been, but keep in mind that your look may well have identified you as the threat in this person's eyes.
texas bulldog
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one more thing...
i have learned from my own ill-spent youth that drinking is best done at home or in the home of a friend or family member. and for "going out with friends", there are often better options than bars.
i have learned from my own ill-spent youth that drinking is best done at home or in the home of a friend or family member. and for "going out with friends", there are often better options than bars.
There are a couple of other factors.
I'm not a traditional values kind of person. I lived with a few girls before I met my wife. I'm neither proud, nor ashamed, of it, either way.
But... If you get married, some of your attitude can change. Some guy checks out your wife, and all you think is, "Yup," and smile. Vows matter.
If you don't think your girlfriend of 5 years is worth marrying, then GET OUT, don't take out your angst on other people. Life's too short for that ****, one way or another.
That's not judgment of you. That's close to two more decades in the University of Hard Knocks talkin'. Good luck.
I'm not a traditional values kind of person. I lived with a few girls before I met my wife. I'm neither proud, nor ashamed, of it, either way.
But... If you get married, some of your attitude can change. Some guy checks out your wife, and all you think is, "Yup," and smile. Vows matter.
If you don't think your girlfriend of 5 years is worth marrying, then GET OUT, don't take out your angst on other people. Life's too short for that ****, one way or another.
That's not judgment of you. That's close to two more decades in the University of Hard Knocks talkin'. Good luck.
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Darkness
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I really cannot make an informed opinion about this post without understanding the viewpoint of the other party.
Please post several pictures of your lady at varying angles so that we may get the entire scope of this encounter.
Please post several pictures of your lady at varying angles so that we may get the entire scope of this encounter.
rainbowbob
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NO! He was staring at your girl's backside? Oh the HORROR!!
No you didn't (at least not from your multiple descriptions of the event).
You noticed someone put their hand on their concealed firearm - period. That is a LONG way from drawing it.
It sounds like the same kind of response you might get from me if you give me threatening looks. I'm not "almost drawing" - but I am prepared if your behavior escalates from threatening looks to threatening actions.
I've been wrong lots of times (including threads and posts on THR) - and I've been called on it.
Learning begins when one is willing and able to admit they are wrong.
You are wrong.
Get used to the fact that men will look at your girl if she is attractive. That includes her backside.
Be aware of everything around you - and be prepared for anything.
Do NOT project your willingness to engage in confrontation with looks, words, or actions.
If someone tries to start anything - even though you have scrupulously done everything you can to avoid confrontation - walk your way out of it or talk your way out of it.
Do that even if an aggressive offender calls you terrible names in front of your girl insinuating a lack of manliness and courage.
Finally - and only as a last resort when it is clearly unavoidable - square up and confront the aggressor with everything you've got.
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KBintheSLC
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OP,
I wouldn't look too far into it. People give each other dirty looks all of the time. Actually, you may have given them a dirty look without noticing when they were eye'ing your girl. BTW... guys do that all of the time... it is a reflex.
My advice is learn to let things be. You don't like people staring you down, and people don't like being stared down. The trick is to humble yourself... others will pick up on it and be less threatened by you. You will be kicking yourself in the rear really hard when you land yourself in prison over some loser eye'ing your girl.
Now that you are CC'ing, things must change. Put the ego on the back burner, and be the bigger man.
PS... don't focus your attention on other people's CCW if you spot it. I know that would make me uncomfortable.
I wouldn't look too far into it. People give each other dirty looks all of the time. Actually, you may have given them a dirty look without noticing when they were eye'ing your girl. BTW... guys do that all of the time... it is a reflex.
My advice is learn to let things be. You don't like people staring you down, and people don't like being stared down. The trick is to humble yourself... others will pick up on it and be less threatened by you. You will be kicking yourself in the rear really hard when you land yourself in prison over some loser eye'ing your girl.
Now that you are CC'ing, things must change. Put the ego on the back burner, and be the bigger man.
PS... don't focus your attention on other people's CCW if you spot it. I know that would make me uncomfortable.
The only consolation will be that you won't be alone in prison. There are other guys in there for that, and man, you will hate yourself when you look at some of those idiots and think, "I'm that guy, too."
Don't be that guy.
If you're involved in a questionable shooting, the first thing the DA will try to show is that it was a shooting over male ego, not a real threat.
If your justification for "self-defense" is, "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them," you will end up in prison.
I don't care which state you're in, or what the "stand your ground" or "castle doctrine" law is. No state allows the use of deadly force in a situation that doesn't involve a criminal act, whether that's a generic "felony" or only a deadly, violent threat to life or limb.
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mgmorden
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Personally I just can't see the fuss over this. The guy didn't draw, didn't brandish the weapon, or anything. Except for the OP being observant there would not have been the "Hey has a gun!" issue at all. As a carrier I put my hand on my gun quite often. Anytime I feel threatened, uneasy, or just plain unsure about a situation. Putting my hand on my gun in my pocket doesn't cost me anything. Situation doesn't' escalate and the gun stays where it is. No harm no foul. However if the situation DOES escalate then I'm already a lot closer to drawing than if I hadn't.
Put it this way. If I'm in any city or the like walking down a street with few people around, and I see a single other person coming down the street, I'll calmly put my hand on my gun in my pocket until that person passes and I know everything is good. Hell when I was in Atalanta earlier this year this almost exact situation happened. Saw a rough looking character coming up the street. Didn't have my gun on my since GA doesn't have a reciprocal agreement with SC CWP holders, so I had my hand on my pocket knife instead. I crossed the street about 75 yards before I got there and he crossed the street to to match. Luckily it was just a bum begging for money, but when I saw him cross the street too you have no idea how much I wanted my gun with me just in case.
Put it this way. If I'm in any city or the like walking down a street with few people around, and I see a single other person coming down the street, I'll calmly put my hand on my gun in my pocket until that person passes and I know everything is good. Hell when I was in Atalanta earlier this year this almost exact situation happened. Saw a rough looking character coming up the street. Didn't have my gun on my since GA doesn't have a reciprocal agreement with SC CWP holders, so I had my hand on my pocket knife instead. I crossed the street about 75 yards before I got there and he crossed the street to to match. Luckily it was just a bum begging for money, but when I saw him cross the street too you have no idea how much I wanted my gun with me just in case.
bigfatdave
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Correction, noticed someone put their hand on what might have been a concealed firearmrainbowbob said:
gglass
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This is the part of the whole matter that is bugging me. The only time I have ever identified that a person REALLY has a firearm is when I can see said gun or its holster. My guess is that since these were a couple of 40-something fellows, is that one of them still had a dry-erase marker in his pocket from the office.
bigfatdave
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My guess is an Altoids tin and a phone in the same pocket.
DAVIDSDIVAD
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Funny how if the rest of the posters in this thread hadn't gotten so butt-hurt by the title, they would be saying
"blablablabl condition zero orange soda"
"blablabal good job on staying situationally aware, OP balbalbal orange condition red alert"
"blablabal, you were about to be mugged, blabalabl"
I'm not gonna fly off the handle like ArmedChair (just kidding ArmedBear ) and say that you should reconsider carrying.
Is it wrong that they ogle your girlfriend? Yes, where I'm from it's very dis-respectful.
At the end of the day, or week, will it matter? No, not one bit.
What I will tell you is maybe to reconsider how Zen you are about bums like those two guys, whose fathers never bothered to teach them respect.
Personally, I ignore miscreants that stare at my girlfriend, since, as she puts it " They are loser, honey, you walk home with me, so you are the winner"
"blablablabl condition zero orange soda"
"blablabal good job on staying situationally aware, OP balbalbal orange condition red alert"
"blablabal, you were about to be mugged, blabalabl"
I'm not gonna fly off the handle like ArmedChair (just kidding ArmedBear
) and say that you should reconsider carrying.Is it wrong that they ogle your girlfriend? Yes, where I'm from it's very dis-respectful.
At the end of the day, or week, will it matter? No, not one bit.
What I will tell you is maybe to reconsider how Zen you are about bums like those two guys, whose fathers never bothered to teach them respect.
Personally, I ignore miscreants that stare at my girlfriend, since, as she puts it " They are loser, honey, you walk home with me, so you are the winner"
christcorp
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I'm still sticking with the "Once upon a time......" Theory. It's a made up fairytale story. Sorry; but it doesn't even sound plausible.
I think the "Troll" theory is also viable.
I think the "Troll" theory is also viable.
jpwilly
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Why don't you stop staring at peoples packages and try to loosen up an have a good time.
TexasBill
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Texas allows those with a CHL to carry into establishments the derive less than 51% of their revenue from sales of alcoholic beverages. However, most bars don't fall under that exemption (at least, not the successful ones), so packing a piece inside most bars in Texas is illegal except for LEOs. Other states allow it but prohibit the carrier from consuming or purchasing alcoholic beverages (Arizona is like this). It's a bit surprising the guy would show a weapon in such circumstances unless you live in a state where drinking and carrying is okay (please tell me which one it is, as I don't ever want to be there on a weekend).
Still, the guy brandishing a weapon was maybe out of line, but perhaps he noticed you were packing and thought you might have been challenging him. You don't know what was running through his mind at the time but it's still a situation that would be best resolved with a smile and walking on by.
I personally don't go out of my way to look for concealed weapons; I just look for people who might present a threat. Any way I can get out of a situation without anybody getting hurt and without touching my sidearm is the way I am going to chose and situational awareness is one of the keys to the graceful exit.
Still, the guy brandishing a weapon was maybe out of line, but perhaps he noticed you were packing and thought you might have been challenging him. You don't know what was running through his mind at the time but it's still a situation that would be best resolved with a smile and walking on by.
I personally don't go out of my way to look for concealed weapons; I just look for people who might present a threat. Any way I can get out of a situation without anybody getting hurt and without touching my sidearm is the way I am going to chose and situational awareness is one of the keys to the graceful exit.
CajunBass
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Lesson learned: If you're not ready to have people laugh in your face, don't come here and post your "well it coulda happened" story.
Even if everything is exactly was you posted it in the original post, NOTHING happened. End of story.
Even if everything is exactly was you posted it in the original post, NOTHING happened. End of story.
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