Concealed Carry 45

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RileyMC - I used to think that but I tried a Milt Sparks Watch 6 with either a Springfield Milspec Govt model or a Springer Loaded Lightweight Government Model. I carried a full size government model iwb at 3:30 or 4:00 under an untucked but not hugely oversized flannel shirt ever day for two months. It damn near killed me. It wasn't the weight - it was the position. If I carry anyting behind the hip and in the waist band my legs go numb when their not shooting pain. I finally figured out that I have to carry in front of the hip and for me the full size government model wasn't going to work for that. So I opted for the shorter Glock 36 in a straight drop iwb holster.

I think those 4513TSWs are fine weapons but I am trying to get away from the DAO or DA/SA pull and go with either single action or glock safe-action.
 
I didn't say that working out with a exercise ball helped with a revolver, though I don't see how it could hurt.

My point was that first you said to use an excercise ball, and when I pointed out that you could be shot, resulting in a limp wrist, you switched to saying you had troubles with 1911's, and decided that the answer to a limp wrist was a revolver, not an exercise ball.

There's no question that exercise is good for you, in many ways. That's not what we're talking about.

Limp wristing may happen to you, regardless of your preparation, because you can get shot.

I use a 1911 because I've never had a government model fail due to limp wristing, and I have had limp wrist problems with small 1911's , glocks, and Sig's.

If you've had trouble with a full size milspec due to limp wristing, that pleases me.

It means I've finally found someone with a wrist weaker than mine.

I suppose that also would mean that yes, you should be using a ball for exercise.
 
The Glock would be my first choice easy simple gun no safety no DA/SA always the same trigger pull.
Para Warthog second DA/SA, 24oz empty.10+1 .45 size of a G27.

Warthog top
Glock bottom
 
If you've had trouble with a full size milspec due to limp wristing, that pleases me.

It means I've finally found someone with a wrist weaker than mine.

I think this means that you should probably get out of the house more ;)

But hey, if I can make just one person's day a little brighter by posting on THR, then I am doing good work.

My point was that first you said to use an exercise ball, and when I pointed out that you could be shot, resulting in a limp wrist, you switched to saying you had troubles with 1911's, and decided that the answer to a limp wrist was a revolver, not an exercise ball.

We must not be speaking each other's language.

My point of bringing up a revolver was that I think, perhaps wrongly, that *any* semi-automatic pistol can suffer malfunctions caused by limp-wristing. If, when choosing a sidearm for personal protection, *eliminating* (as opposed to "minimizing") the chances of a malfunction caused by limp-wristing were to be made a priority, I would have to choose a revolver as a sidearm and not consider semi-automatic pistols, milspec or otherwise.

Limp-wristing may happen to you, regardless of your preparation, because you can get shot.

A limp wrist is only one of the many possible ill effects that you may suffer upon being shot with a firearm.

If, being shot, your wrist was limp enough to cause a feeding or ejection malfunction with a Glock or other lightweight .45 and thereby prevent a follow up shot, would your grip be placed well enough to engage the grip safety if you were shooting a 1911 milspec? Probably yes, but possibly no.

Another possible occurrence in a shooting scenario, one that may occur whether you've been shot or not, is that you may fail, despite your training, to disengage the 1911's thumb safety. Score one for the Glock 36.

There are many eventualities that may occur in a gun fight, or a gun vs. knife/fist/other weapon scenario. As I am not a "professional" and I don't make any pretense about being as well prepared as I possibly could be. However, the training I have accomplished with the firearms does increase my chances of surviving a gunfight. Admittedly I am not prepared for every eventuality. However, I am prepared to improvise and I am willing to de-prioritize the possibility of gun-shot-wound-induced-limp-wristing on my preparation list in order to carry a gun that meets other priorities. I guess that what is underlying this discussion is the simple fact that handguns are usually the least desirous type of firearm to use for self-defense. Any handgun is a compromise of firepower and ergonomics and convenience. Even I can't limp wrist a twelve gauge.

But we're getting way off topic here. I believe turk was originally talking about a choice between two compact .45s, and didn't mention any consideration of 1911 milspecs or revolvers.
 
RileyMc
Your post

"Nothing, nothing points better than a full size 1911, IMHO"

I took my 70 series out a couple nights ago and popped of a couple hundred rounds and I have to agree a 1911 does point well but in my opinion not as well as my Hi-Power.

Thanks for your opinions. My current CCW is Kel-tec 380 that you can carry all day and not notice you have in your pocket. My current what I call my hi threat gun is a Smith 4013.

But I do want a 45 ACP gun. CS 45 are a little hard to come by in my area but plenty of Glocks so I have had a chance to at least hold the Smith.

Question I've looked at the spec's of both the CS45 and the Glock 36 but the Smith doesn't list the width of the slide. Anyone know is it narrower than the Glock? Also what about the grip I assume the Smith is narrower?

Thanks again,

Turk
 
limp wristing the glock 36

I took my G36 to the range yesterday and shot "cocktail" mags containing

230gr federal hydroshocks +P
200gr Corbon +P
230gr CCI Blazer
185gr Taurus HEX
230gr Fiocchi FMJ
185gr Golden Saber


I shot about 200 rounds total, ~90 rounds or so being mags of "straight" fiocchi 230 gr FMJ.

I tried to purposefully limpwrist the gun. I couldn't get the gun to malfunction.

Maybe, like a 1911 milspec, it will continue to function despite my condition? :D
 
For some reason I don't have the option to quote; replying to Jammer's comments about limp-wristing, I have several Glocks and have tried to induce malfunctions by limp wristing, and it can't be done. No matter what I try to do to make my Glocks malfunction, they don't . They just keep on cooking. So I'm perfectly happy with any Glock, especially the G36.
 
Here is another vote for Kimber Ultra Carry 3" 1911, but my 4" Compact CDP is a close 2nd.

The UC fits my ankle, coat pocket, fanny pack, IWB, etc...

I recently sold my Taurus PT145 - it was a decent pistol, but I needed money for vacation with kids to disneyland and I had three 1911's I couldn't part with... :banghead:
 
My daughters, and my wife always seemed to be able to limp wrist my G19 and G23, but my mother-in-law just shot my G36 with no problem at all.

My Milt Sparks Watch Six holster finally arrived.
I've worn the gun several days, all day, under a light Hawaiin shirt.
I'm surprised how comfortable it is.
Maybe because of the hammerless design, the gun seems to dig into my waist much less than my Colt Defender did.

The gun is much easier to shoot than the Colt was.
But, as always, your mileage may vary.
 
Ditto on the Kimber Ultra Carry II. Got mine broken in and it is so accurate! Shoots as good my Kimber Custom Target which takes out the ten ring every time. My grandson is just now learning to shoot a pistol and is having a hard time with a 9mm DAO. He tried both of my .45's and made practically one-holed shots. I think I know what his next pistol will be!:D
 
Check out the Sig P245. It's a compact version of the P220. The grip is short, so try before you buy it. It is as accurate as it's big brother and reliable. The recoil is not bad at all. I've shot a G-36 and found it to recoil quite a bit. FWIW
 
I have tried many small .45's.....

The one I have setled on is a Colt CCO...but the Kimber Compact CDP is was also on my list....I like the feel of the 1911, the shorted grip for concealment, commander length slide of the CCO and the light wight allow frame.
I carried a LW Officer's model for years and owned two steel Officer's...never had a problem with them.
Owned two Glock 30's...and felt they were too fat for my needs. One actually had alot of malfunctions with Winchester Ranger JHP! I tried the G36 at a rental range...and whereas it worked and shot ok...the recoil did seem to be more than my LW Officer's. And it never quite fit my hand.
I rented a Sig P245 too and was VERY impressed.
Shot a friends S&W 457 and was not impressed.
Shot a Cousins H&K USP Compact(which is was not very compact)...it ws OK but too large for my tastes, and I was not really fond of the trigger.
Alot of my experiments came about when I got a job in Missouri with a cesurity company. MO mandates DAO or DA w/decocker for Security Officer's...so I had to get a new pistola since I could not carry my Government, Commander or Officer's model.
At least I could have a .45!!!!
It came down to a SIG 245 or a Para LDA Companion and I chose the Para because it had the feel of my familiar Officer's model and I had Wilson mags in great abundance.
The Para had minor teethng problems....revolving atound the Para mag..but has proven to be very reliable and extremely accurate pistol. A tad heavy for a CCW piece, but it feels OK in my Milt Sparks Versmax
The Taurus 145, Bersa, Patriot and a few other compacts I have not shot(yet), but I wanted an high quality lifelong friend that could be used as a CCW when the gig was done. I have sen enough reliability challenges with Tauri...I do not want second best when it is my life on the line!
These are my experiences.....and choices. My yours work for you!
Jercamp45
 
Shoot a buddy's G36 before you buy.

I owned one. Accurate, reliable, tough. Great engineering, easy takedown.

Only one problem: kicked like a MUTHA. I developed a terrible flinch, and actually lost confidence in it because it was so uncomfortable to shoot.

I sold it and got a fullsize 1911 and never looked back. But, I'm scrawny and I can carry a 1911 IWB all day without being uncomfortable or printing. A good holster and strong belt make all the difference.
 
Para Ordnance P12-45, stainless, single action, 12 round mag. All steel and heavy, but compact, accurate, 13 rounds of .45.

Drakejake
 
Kimber Pro Carry II. 4" 1911 with night sights.

My 1st .45 and boy do I love it. :D

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I had and sold both a CS9 and a CS45 and was underwhelmed. I tried a Glock and they were worse (too me). I've ended up in the 1911 camp myself for a carry .45 after Ohio latest CCW bill passing. I have a Kimber Tactical Ultra II (3") and a Wilson SDS (4") for my .45 carry weapon. In the hotter & harder to hide months, I carry my PM9 but still would feel MUCH safer with my Kimber. All are very easily concealable in a quality IWB holster.
 
I rented a G36 the other day and put 100 rounds through it. I also shot my G21 and a buddies G26 and G19 for comparison. Shooting WWB hardball the gun kicked like an anemic pug puppy. I hardly noticed it (but then I enjoy shooting .357 Magnum rounds in my Taurus 605). I also found it to be dead-nuts accurate.

I had been toying with the idea of a Para Carry, just because it is such a danged handsome gun, but after shooting the Glock and researching the Para, I came to my senses. Why dick around with finding the right spring and magazine combo for a 3-inch 1911 and then deal with questionable reliability when I can get an accurate, fun-to-shoot, stone-reliable gun that I know fits my hand well? Right now the Taurus is my carry gun, and will continue to be my primary carry gun, but I intend to purchase a Glock 36 within the next year as an alternate carry gun.
 
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