concealed carry + Minor traffic stop

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Just wondering, as a concealed carry permit holder in FL - if I were to get pulled over for a minor traffic stop, I realize that I need to immediately inform the LEO that I have a loaded weapon in my pocket and show him my permit. I also understand that he/she will likely remove me from the vehicle and confiscate my weapon for the duration of the stop. I respect LEO's need to be safe and would be very polite and compliant throughout.
My question is this: If not asked, do I need to offer up that my wife (also a permit holder) is carrying a loaded weapon on her? It seems that all of this would turn a simple stop (and hopefully warning with no ticket) into a huge ordeal of removing and disarming both of us with two kids in the car.
Maybe a silly question, just wondering the best way to proceed should such an occurrence happen.
 
Just wondering, as a concealed carry permit holder in FL - if I were to get pulled over for a minor traffic stop, I realize that I need to immediately inform the LEO that I have a loaded weapon in my pocket and show him my permit.

There is no duty to reveal you are carrying in Florida.Only 10 states have the must notify rule.Your state is not one of them.Mine is.
They are AK,LA,MI,NE,NC,OH,OK,SC,TX and UT.
BTW,I was stopped in Guilford County,NC 2 years ago for speeding.Being in NC I had to reveal I was carrying.The trooper thanked me for telling him,told me to slow down and wished me a good day.No ticket and no concern about my firearm.That's they way it goes down most of the time regarding the firearm, at least south of the Mason-Dixon line.(Excluding MD!)
 
While no duty to inform is mandated by state law, I would act as follows: Give the approaching officer the chance to ask me for my paperwork. He may just walk up, ask me if I know I have a brake light out, and end the encounter there. If he does ask me for my paperwork (DL, proof of insurance, and vehicle registration), I would hand it over while making the following statement: "Officer, for your safety and mine, I am informing you that I am a CCF permitholder, and I am carrying." The officer will direct my next move.
In general, most will likely not care, provided that the reason for the traffic stop is indeed a simple violation. Some may ask you to surrender your weapon for the duration of the encounter, or at least to make it "safe" by unloading it.
Florida peace officers are pretty aware of the state's pro-2A environment.
 
Thanks for the advice. my bad for not being more aware of state law and that there is no duty to inform in FL. I guess I have some homework to do.
As always, these forums are a great resource - and THR members rock.
 
If there is no "duty to inform" (i.e., volunteer the information without being told to) in FL, I would not. Only give them your documents as required by law - driver's license, registration and proof of insurance. If the officer specifically asks if you have weapons in the vehicle, then you can say, "Yes, I do, with a permit" and take it from there.
 
In Colorado there is no duty to inform ( same as Florida). My policy is never to answer questions they don't ask. I wonder why it's considered " safer" if the cop knows I'm carrying?
 
I wonder why it's considered " safer" if the cop knows I'm carrying?

I've never been able to figure that either.Criminals are certainly not going to volunteer any information.
If your state does not fall into the Must Notify category,I am with Treo all the way.
Mum is the word.
 
Do not volunteer the information if not required by law.

I've been stopped 4 times since I acquired my permit. On the two occasions I volunteered the information out of courtesy, I was unjustifiably harassed and on one of these occasions, disarmed by a trooper with very poor gun-handling skills. I still cringe when I recall the manner in which he handled my firearm. That particular trooper also had a very negative view of legally armed citizens.

During my second traffic stop, another state trooper did his level best to find me in violation of the law because the address on my permit did not match the address on my drivers license. We are NOT required to update the addresses on our permits in VA until they come up for renewal. This particular trooper spent 10-15 minutes in his car searching his code book and calling his supervisor in order to discover if I was breaking the law by having mismatched addresses. It was the ridiculous situation where the LEO does not know the law, but the permit holder does. He, too, had a very negative view of legally armed citizens and he wasn't happy when he discovered his error.

On the two occasions I did NOT volunteer the information (we're not required to do so in VA), not a word was spoken by the LEOs regarding my permit even though our drivers licenses are flagged. Both LEOs never asked if I was armed after they ran my license. I took my ticket/warning and left without incident.

In summary, keep your mouth shut unless you believe EVERY LEO has a positive view of legally armed citizens and EVERY LEO knows EVERY law regarding permits. Volunteering such information often invites headaches and harassment. My evidence is purely anecdotal, but that doesn't make it less true. To this day, I believe some LEOs perceive your volunteered information as a threat even though you might present it in a very innocuous way.
 
Texas has the "must inform" rule about one's CHL and traffic stops. So, my experiences, FWIW:

The Highway Patrol guys gave a very cursory look and had no further interest, in some three stops I've had. A buddy of mine has gotten into a lengthy social session of yack-yack about guns in a couple of stops, however.

I did have a deputy just outside Hondo, Texas, ask me where my handgun was, during a stop. When I said, "In the console," he just grinned.

I reflexively gave my Dl and CHL to a Georgia deputy during a stop in Thomasville. He asked if I had it with me; "No, it's home." and he went on to other subjects.

IOW, to me it's a non-issue...
 
Without getting into the politics of inform or don't inform, I drive a fast, red car and a fast black motorcycle. Since getting my permit I have had the opportunity to speak to two state troopers, a Tampa PD officer, two Pinellas county Sherriffs, and a Saint Petersburg PD officer in traffic stops.

I always tell them I have a gun, and not one has asked me to get out of the car or asked to disarm me. One of the troopers BS'd about 1911's, but that's as far asthe gun issue went.

Surely there are bad LEO's out there, and one should be aware of your rights, but barring something other then just speeding I don't think you have to worry about being disarmed onthe side of the road in FL.

As an aside, I also try not to sound like I'm reading a law book (or internet forum) when talking to a LEO.

"Officer, for your safety and mine, I am informing you that I am a CCF permitholder, and I am carrying." vs.
"Sir, just so you know, I have a gun on me, here's my permit and drivers license. Sorry I was driving like a jerk."

Not every time you get pulled over is a civil rights violation.
 
"Not every time you get pulled over is a civil rights violation. "


you reaqlize that to the heroes of the revolution this brands you a lackey. you are forever banned from owning a black hoody:neener::evil:

stay safe over there and thanks
 
I would like to expound my thoughts from my previous post in this thread only to invoke additional thought regarding this issue. As I mentioned above, during one particular traffic stop, I was disarmed by a Virginia State Trooper with very poor gun-handling skills. The nature of the traffic stop was an expired, annual safety inspection sticker; expired by less than 2 weeks. I was neither speeding nor doing anything that might endanger others on the interstate. FWIW, I was dressed in a suit and driving a nice, company-owned sedan. I previously mentioned that when I recall this encounter, I still cringe at the thought of what did and what might have happened. Here’s why:

The trooper approached my window and explained why he stopped me. Initially, he was courteous and respectful. I reflexively offered my DL, registration, and permit WITHOUT mentioning the words “permit, firearm, gun” or anything else which may have been perceived as threatening. I merely handed him all documents. He asked if my gun was in my car. I confirmed it was, and he asked its location. I informed him it was on my hip. He immediately asked me to slowly hand it to him. I did so without a word and with the muzzle pointed away from the both of us. He carried my firearm with him back to his cruiser to presumably run a check on me and a “stolen check” on my firearm. He returned to my vehicle and while standing at my side view mirror, nearly directly in front of me, he attempted to hand over my firearm grip first with the muzzle pointed directly at his abdomen. I had to ask him to turn the muzzle away his abdomen before I would retrieve my firearm. Mind you, 90% of the time I carry a semi-auto and 100% of those times a round is chambered, and that was the condition in which it was returned to me. Once I retrieved and holstered my firearm, I was berated for being armed and subjected to a barrage of very condescending questions. Here’s what I find most distressing:

A. In hindsight of his poor handling skills, suppose this trooper would have managed to shoot himself with MY firearm while seated in his cruiser. Imagine he inflicts upon himself a fatal wound, and I’m the only one left to tell the story coupled with potentially shoddy forensics. I’ll let you ponder my dismal future from there.

B. Suppose once he returned to my vehicle and proceeded to hand over my weapon, he manages to negligently discharge MY firearm into his own abdomen while standing in front of me. Again, the potential for me to be the only survivor of the incident is very real. Will the authorities believe my story? Will forensics and possible witnesses passing by at 75 mph clear my name?

Why LEOs feel the need to disarm a non-threatening, legally armed citizen is beyond me. The unnecessary handling, and often mishandling, of weapons during traffic stops invites disaster for all involved. All involved are much safer if the firearms are left holstered, untouched and business is conducted as usual. As legally armed citizens, please give serious thought as to why you feel it is necessary to volunteer such information when not required by law to do so. Do the benefits of doing so outweigh the risks? Will every LEO disarm you if you volunteer the information? No, but why invite unnecessary disarmament and potentially catastrophic legal issues upon ourselves?

In closing, I’d like to say that I am a pro-law enforcement person. I have a deputy sheriff for a brother. I spent years employed as a paramedic during which time I enjoyed great relationships with many LEOs. In no way, are my words above meant to malign or disparage LEOs. I just want ALL of us to go about our daily lives in the safest manner possible and with the least amount of hassles.
 
So, how does this work if your CCW permit is from a state where you are required to inform, but when you get pulled over you aren't in a state where you are required to inform?

I.e.: UT permit and a NM traffic stop?Are you bound more tightly by the rules of the state you are in, or the state that issued your license?

What if you're from NM and get stopped in UT? Are you generally expected to know that you have to inform? (Yes, obviously, being informed about the laws of the states through which you are travelling is generally a good idea.)
 
My understanding is that you are expected to know and abide by the law of the state that you're in.
 
I always read these threads with great interest,and after much consideration, had long ago decided if I ever get pulled over again,( it's been decades now) I'll likely simultaneously hand the JBT,uh,er,I mean "officer" :D both my DL and carry permit, and let the chips fall where they may.And as Kurt Vonnegut used to say.......HI HO !!!
 
I realize that I need to immediately inform the LEO that I have a loaded weapon in my pocket and show him my permit. I also understand that he/she will likely remove me from the vehicle and confiscate my weapon for the duration of the stop

In Oklahoma, I do have to inform a cop who pulls me over that I have a weapon but I see no reason at all why I would show him my license unless he asked to see it. And, in Oklahoma, he would be violating the law if he took me out of the vehicle and disarmed me for the duration of the stop.

On top of that, unless the person had done something very serious to warrant the stop, the cop wouldn't want to escalate a situation any more than the driver would. By removing from the car, he gives the driver better access to him. If it is a simple traffic stop, write the ticket. If he's concerned about his safety because of other behaviors of the person he stopped, it seems to me that the smart LEO keeps the guy in the car with hands on the steering wheel and waits for backup.
 
"Officer, for your safety and mine, I am informing you that I am a CCF permitholder, and I am carrying."

Why imply that his safety relates in any way to your weapon? I don't ever want to tell an armed police officer that his safety rests in my hands. I would expect him to take immediate action to take personal control of his own safety and that might mean I am eating pavement with a knee in my kidneys.

Just simply state the facts: "I have a concealed weapon permit and I do have a weapon." And make sure your hands are on the steering wheel when you say it.
 
As a Black Hoodie wearin, Hero of the Revolution I look at it like this;

The more information I give the cop the longer I'm going to be sitting at the side of the road.

The more I talk to a cop, the more likely I am to say something that can be used against me and no matter how long I talk to the cop nothing I say can be used for me.

This includes sitting on the side of the road "chit-chatting" & "talkin' guns" W/ that really cool state trooper.

It is my right to protect myself by limiting my interaction W/ Das Gestapo ( hey I might as well play to your sterotypes of me right?)
to the minimum.

Pardon me if I avail myself of it.
It's is my
 
My understanding is that you are expected to know and abide by the law of the state that you're in.

This is correct.It's the state that you are in that dictates your actions and proper legal response.Response to:

So, how does this work if your CCW permit is from a state where you are required to inform, but when you get pulled over you aren't in a state where you are required to inform?

I.e.: UT permit and a NM traffic stop?Are you bound more tightly by the rules of the state you are in, or the state that issued your license?

What if you're from NM and get stopped in UT? Are you generally expected to know that you have to inform? (Yes, obviously, being informed about the laws of the states through which you are travelling is generally a good idea.)
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One of the troopers BS'd about 1911's, but that's as far asthe gun issue went.

1911, yes. Just don't tell him you have some wimp gun like a Taurus PT22 or something. :D
 
Depends on the situation. I was driving in a park when I was stopped by a cop. He asked me if I had any guns. I said Yes, two on me, and the rest are in the trunk. Do you have a permit? I said, Yes. Never mind, you are good to go, said the cop. I drove off. Later I realized that I had probably surprised the cop wanting to take a leak and he couldn't hold it much longer. I was clean though. And actually, I had done the same just earlier.
 
In Kansas you are not required to notify unless specifically asked. In fact it is recommended that you do not notify, because if you do notify apparently the LEO's start wondering what you are nervous or concerned about!
 
1911, yes. Just don't tell him you have some wimp gun like a Taurus PT22 or something

In FL, if you admit to CCing a .22 to a LEO you are required to turn in your man card. :evil:

The more information I give the cop the longer I'm going to be sitting at the side of the road.

The more I talk to a cop, the more likely I am to say something that can be used against me and no matter how long I talk to the cop nothing I say can be used for me.

This includes sitting on the side of the road "chit-chatting" & "talkin' guns" W/ that really cool state trooper.

This is true, and it's your right. But for those folks reading i'd like to add one other thing.

The more you respectfully chat with the cop, and not act like you think he's a thug, the less likely you are to get a ticket. In all of the previously mentioned stops, I haven't yet gotten a single ticket.

And that's the jist of it for me. When I get pulled over, I've been breaking a law, and I know it. So I do everything I can to put the officer at ease in an effort not to get whatever ticket I've earned.

I know there are folks out therre that get pulled while not breaking the law, but it hasn't happened to me, and I don't believe it's quite as common as some seem to think.
 
The more you respectfully chat with the cop, and not act like you think he's a thug, the less likely you are to get a ticket

The general premise is sound but in Co Springs you're going to get the ticket .

That said, it's stupid to piss off someone who has the authority to put you in jail
 
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