Vermont carry and LEO stops

[answerguy]

First I am making the assumption that felons are barred from concealed carry in Vermont. How does law enforcement verify someone is 'legal' to carry on a traffic stop there? Is there a requirement to tell a LEO that you are carrying when stopped?

 

[Ringer]

According to Packing.org there is no requirement to inform LEO you are carrying. Might be a good idea though, especially if they ask you out of the car.

 

[AZRickD]

Same way they "verify" you are legal to carry openly (without a permit) in Arizona.

BTW, I used to shoot IDPA here in Arizona with a guy who is from Vermont and recently moved back there as an LEO.

While Vermonters do have Rosenthal v State (1903) on their side, that does not keep LEOs from harrassing people who carry, especially in Burlington. Vermont is run by socialists, it should surprise no one that socialist policies filter down.

Rick

 

[lapidator]

How do they know?

Its really cool -- if there is no evidence that you've committed a crime, you're legal.

If you're a felon carrying -- and you don't commit any crimes -- no problem.


Neat huh?

Lapidator

Vermont is run by socialists,

This is starting to change... Vermount is starting to become more libertarian.

 

[answerguy]

Same way they "verify" you are legal to carry openly (without a permit) in Arizona.

Not being from Az, that didn't help me understand.

 

[answerguy]

Its really cool -- if there is no evidence that you've committed a crime, you're legal. If you're a felon carrying -- and you don't commit any crimes -- no problem.

So LEO pulls over Joe Felon ( and our LEO is the one that sent Joe to jail for armed robbery years ago) for a burned out headlight and sees a gun on the front seat of his car nothing is going to happen to Joe?

 

[armoredman]

If a felon is apprehended carrying a deadly weapon, that's five years fed time.
In AZ, we can carry open without a permit, and if you aren't doing anything to warrant PD attention, you won't be harrassed. No permit needed to carry open, no registration, no waiting period, shall issue CCW, no registration, no state AWB, no restrictions on mag size, no restirctions on ammo, Class 3 friendly, and if you own a subgun, you can carry it concealed on your CCW.....

 

[lapidator]

So LEO pulls over Joe Felon ( and our LEO is the one that sent Joe to jail for armed robbery years ago) for a burned out headlight and sees a gun on the front seat of his car nothing is going to happen to Joe?

Depends. If the cop decides he needs to run a background check on Joe, and he is found to be a felon, then he'll prolly be arrested. Would a felony record show up on a DMV check? Otherwise, not.

If Joe is menacing the LEO with the gun, Joe will undoubtably have a bad day.

 

[answerguy]

That's getting close to answering my original question:

Depends. If the cop decides he needs to run a background check on Joe, and he is found to be a felon, then he'll prolly be arrested. Would a felony record show up on a DMV check? Otherwise, not.

On a routine traffic stop a LEO sees a gun on the seat, his run of the guys DL and MVR isn't going to show anything. Is that correct?

 

[vrwc]

when I worked for the SO

Running plates just tells you the owner and if the reg. is current.
Running a name gives you one of these outcomes:
Clear no record
Clear Traffic Only
Clear but has had x number of felony/mis warrants in the past
wanted misdemanor
wanted felon
in addition if the person is handled localy before sometimes there will be a flag for mental or known violent encounters
Now say Joe Felon was a fellon in VT there would be a good chance that Joe Felon would come back Clear with 1 felony history (being the liberty minded person that I am at that point I would assume that he was pardoned or the warrant was a mistake or he was not found guilty and let him go on his merry way, however not all LEO's are as liberty minded as I was)
If Joe Felon was a felon from another state I probably would have no idea it all depends on how the district/state/municipal court manages there conviction database. In most cases you will be run trough NCIC or the state version, and at least when I was a LEO all that would give is wants/warrants/stolen property, it did not have case status ie if a felon was convicted or not there was no way to know. The history of old warrants was something that was addded the last year I worked that was not always there. I disagree with the history function of NCIC if someone has done there time I don't see why they should have to carry the burden of LEO's always having probable cause to investigate further, I know a lot of LEO's will disagree with me on that last opinion