Vern Humphrey
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So how come so many police departments are dropping the 9mm in favor of the .40 S&W?
Confidence in your Carry Piece
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Vern Humphrey
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No handgun can out-gun bad guys with rifles.
If there were such a handgun, that's what we'd issue to our troops in combat, instead of the M4.
Lord Teapot
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i'm confident if i pull the trigger my px4 will fire. and fire again, and fire again, until the threat is neutralized.
Specs
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I'll stick with my LCR357. 5 for sure.
SwampWolf
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Using that yardstick, I suppose someone could argue that if you "need" more power than a .380, you need a long gun, not a 9mm.
MikeNice
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I adisagree. Unless you are hunting something larger than a human a 9mm or .45acp should do the trick. A .40S&W or a .357sig really doesn't do anything more than those two time tested rounds. The .357Sig and .40 S&W do offer distinct advantages when penetrating through windows and car bodies. However, they haven't really proven to be any better at stopping human targets.Using that yardstick, I suppose someone could argue that if you "need" more power than a .380, you need a long gun, not a 9mm.
Now if you are hunting large animals with four legs, then the use of a .460 S&W Magnum or .454 Casull maybe be needed to get the job done. Using the same rounds on two legged predators is not "needed" and could be overly excessive.
macadore
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What can the Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro do that the .40 S&W Walther PPS can't?
I carry several handguns that I have carried and I am 99% confident in all of them because nothing is 100% reliable. The best firearm made won't function with bad ammo, and all machines can break at any moment.
Nearly all the malfunctions I have had came from ammo issues. I have a CZ 83 that eats everything but Brown Bear. From some reason, the Brown Bear frequently stovepipes. I have a Mauser HSC that eats everything but Silvertips. They usually don't eject. I have a Colt Series 70 that gets insulted by mild ammo and refuses to eject it. Surprisingly, I have never had a malfunction in any of my 9x18 handguns. They all seem to like all steel cased Russian ammo.
I carry a G32 in the car, when I can wear a fanny pack, and on the 2 days it's cool enough here to wear a jacket. If I am wearing dress slacks, I carry a CZ83. I am confident in it because it always shoots where I intend for it to. When I can't wear a fanny pack or slacks I carry a P64. Due to the sights, it does not have the range the other two do, but up close and personal, it can deliver a lot of abuse in a hurry. I really wish someone made a green laser, or any laser, for it.
I carry several handguns that I have carried and I am 99% confident in all of them because nothing is 100% reliable. The best firearm made won't function with bad ammo, and all machines can break at any moment.
Nearly all the malfunctions I have had came from ammo issues. I have a CZ 83 that eats everything but Brown Bear. From some reason, the Brown Bear frequently stovepipes. I have a Mauser HSC that eats everything but Silvertips. They usually don't eject. I have a Colt Series 70 that gets insulted by mild ammo and refuses to eject it. Surprisingly, I have never had a malfunction in any of my 9x18 handguns. They all seem to like all steel cased Russian ammo.
I carry a G32 in the car, when I can wear a fanny pack, and on the 2 days it's cool enough here to wear a jacket. If I am wearing dress slacks, I carry a CZ83. I am confident in it because it always shoots where I intend for it to. When I can't wear a fanny pack or slacks I carry a P64. Due to the sights, it does not have the range the other two do, but up close and personal, it can deliver a lot of abuse in a hurry. I really wish someone made a green laser, or any laser, for it.
Using that yardstick, I suppose someone could argue that if you "need" more power than a .380, you need a long gun, not a 9mm.
9mm is my cut-off. I won't use anything "lesser"
I feel equally as armed carrying a 9mm as I do a .45 ACP
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Hypnogator
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Shoot 11 rounds without reloading.
Jonah71
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If I lack confidence in my shooting ability with any gun I won't use it as a carry. It's taken me a lot of time and a few hundred rounds to get comfortable with my G-23. I also make weekly (minimum) trips to the range. There are 4 guns I take with me every time. The Kimber .45acp, G-23 and G-26 and the old S&W mod. 36. The rest I shoot just for fun.
MtnSpur
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Most CCW folks I know will tell me they prefer to carry (insert a weapon here) because they're comfortable and familiar with it, it carries nicely all day every day and it's never failed them.
I have 2 that I prefer: Sig P239 9mm because she's an old, trusted friend and a S&W Airweight .38 that I keep loaded with HydroShoks and wear in an OT Don Hume and I know all I need do is clear leather, aim and pull the trigger without wondering if I jacked a round into the chamber that morning before I strapped her on (us older guys are fortunate to remember where we live on some days ).
I have 2 that I prefer: Sig P239 9mm because she's an old, trusted friend and a S&W Airweight .38 that I keep loaded with HydroShoks and wear in an OT Don Hume and I know all I need do is clear leather, aim and pull the trigger without wondering if I jacked a round into the chamber that morning before I strapped her on (us older guys are fortunate to remember where we live on some days
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The one-eyed stare
Love my S&W m60 and my XD45. My ccw isn't just for bad guys, but for threats of the furry nature too. Rest assured, if I draw it, sump'n gunna die!
Love my S&W m60 and my XD45. My ccw isn't just for bad guys, but for threats of the furry nature too. Rest assured, if I draw it, sump'n gunna die!
chieftain
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Actually more agencies are returning to the 9mm than to the 40 these days, by a small margin.
Any weapon I carry for fighting purposes has fired a minimum of 1000 rounds of factory ball without a Failure to Fire (FTF) and at least 200 of my carry rounds. IN 45acp that is the 230gr Gold Dot, and in 9mm it is the Cor-Bon DPX 115gr +P. I really like Cor-Bon. Been carrying them for over 20 years in my 9mm's.
9mm or 45 do it for me. I have fought with the 45acp and 38spl several times, and frankly didn't feel or see any difference in results.
Still ain't figured out a reason for the 40 S&W. Obviously some folks like them.
Right now as I write this my Colt Commander TALO Wily Clapp/21st Century model is about to go into my Milt Sparks. Most of my 1911's, SIG's, HK's, Glocks, M&P's etc have all been certified to me, for me, by me.
I feel alright with all my guns, including my revolvers. But because of my own experience with handguns, given a choice it will normally be either a 1911 in 45acp (90%) or an HK P30 LEM V4 in 9mm. I have a Full Size M&P certified but ain't been carrying it much yet.
If I am carrying it, I am confident with it, otherwise it would not be on my hip. Life is much to precious to risk with an unreliable firearm.
Go figure.
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