Smoke
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It wasn't specified. You assumed it was public land.
You know what happens when you assume?
Confirmed 1800 yard kill on elk
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It wasn't specified. You assumed it was public land.
You know what happens when you assume?
Since the majority of hunting takes place on public land, you need some evidence of
- it being private land AND
- a way to guarantee that nobody could have wandered onto that private land
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before you are justified in excusing this stupidity on the basis of it having been done on private land.
Keith
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I'll "assume" this hunt took place in Colorado. I just pulled up the game regulations at http://wildlife.state.co.us/regulations/ch00.pdf
Using mechanical aids of any type other than the ones specifically detailed therein are prohibited. Your pals were poaching when they used radios to coordinate long range sniping at elk.
I'm sure tactics are illegal in every state.
Keith
Using mechanical aids of any type other than the ones specifically detailed therein are prohibited. Your pals were poaching when they used radios to coordinate long range sniping at elk.
I'm sure tactics are illegal in every state.
Keith
Really? We've used 2 way radios for years, not to coordinate the hunt but to make sure everyone was all right. We started using them in 1965 after my grandad almost had a heart attack (see my thread "grandad's elk, 1964").
Dan Morris
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I'd kinda like to know the GMU thay use....so I can say AWAY from them.......you spend years teaching safety and ethics...sheesh..........
Dan
Dan
Art Eatman
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Sounds like some folks are getting into booger-huntin' on insufficient info. For all any of us know, the guy had quite adequate knowledge about the safety of the impact area. Into a mountainside, for instance, or into a clearing surrounded by tall trees...
Sure, coordinating a hunt by use of radiddios is illegal as well as immoral. This sounds like a spur-of-the-moment deal, rather than an ogoing hunting method. I'm certainly glad that none of us have EVER had some less-than-wise bright idea. NONE of US!
Disapprove? Sure. But let's not go bonkers over it.
Art
Sure, coordinating a hunt by use of radiddios is illegal as well as immoral. This sounds like a spur-of-the-moment deal, rather than an ogoing hunting method. I'm certainly glad that none of us have EVER had some less-than-wise bright idea. NONE of US!
Disapprove? Sure. But let's not go bonkers over it.
Art
nygunguy
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Ya beat me to it
Here in NY it absolutely illegal to use a radio in pursuit of game.
On the other hand us old guys use radios to keep track of each other. Check in every hour on the hour unless you hear a bang. In archery someone always leaves a radio on.
Here in NY it absolutely illegal to use a radio in pursuit of game.
On the other hand us old guys use radios to keep track of each other. Check in every hour on the hour unless you hear a bang. In archery someone always leaves a radio on.
12-34hom
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Recon.
Just another group of "ethical" hunters, using radios, lobbing bullets from 1000 yard + ranges.
What's next ?? maybe satalite photos.....
12-34hom.
Just another group of "ethical" hunters, using radios, lobbing bullets from 1000 yard + ranges.
What's next ?? maybe satalite photos.....
12-34hom.
jmbg29
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Did the 9 witnesses mention how many animals they have maimed and left to rot over the years?
kidcoltoutlaw
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i can tell you one thing the range finder was used before the shot .i bet it was a laser russian.
Art Eatman
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"What kind of responsible hunter would shoot for such a purpose so far away?"
Well, the purpose was to scare the elk into movement, not to hit the elk. Folks seem to have lost the point of the original post, that the shooter had no expectation of hitting anything other than a rock in the general vicinity.
Again, it was a spur-of-the-moment notion, not a common method for the group...
Art
Well, the purpose was to scare the elk into movement, not to hit the elk. Folks seem to have lost the point of the original post, that the shooter had no expectation of hitting anything other than a rock in the general vicinity.
Again, it was a spur-of-the-moment notion, not a common method for the group...
Art
Double Naught Spy
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Contrary to the original post, this story is not a "confirmed" story about an 1800 yard elk kill. It is a story where the poster knew a bunch of folks who claimed this happened. There is no confirnmation as all the confirming folks are of the same group. By the same sort of reasoning, I know a group of people who saw Bigfoot and so Bigfoot is now confirmed.
I am not sure what is so amazing about the story. Since the hunter was not trying to shoot the elk, all we are talking about now is the fact that a projectile loaded the way his was and fired from his type of rifle can retain enough power to penetrate sufficiently to kill an elk.
I am apalled that the guy managed to kill an animal that he was intentionally trying NOT to hit. That shows an incredible amount of recklessness on his part. The notion of shooting toward the animal from a distance away greater than the animal would even hear the shot is stupid. I realize the guys 200 yards away did not have a clear shot at the animal, but they did have a clear shot at a spot they knew they could hit that was close to the animal and they likely had guns sighted in to make a 200 yard shot accurately.
I am not sure what is so amazing about the story. Since the hunter was not trying to shoot the elk, all we are talking about now is the fact that a projectile loaded the way his was and fired from his type of rifle can retain enough power to penetrate sufficiently to kill an elk.
I am apalled that the guy managed to kill an animal that he was intentionally trying NOT to hit. That shows an incredible amount of recklessness on his part. The notion of shooting toward the animal from a distance away greater than the animal would even hear the shot is stupid. I realize the guys 200 yards away did not have a clear shot at the animal, but they did have a clear shot at a spot they knew they could hit that was close to the animal and they likely had guns sighted in to make a 200 yard shot accurately.
~z
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The notion of shooting toward the animal from a distance away greater than the animal would even hear the shot is stupid.
Now that offends me. Does shooting prairie dogs at a few hundred yds with the wind in your face so they dont hear the report count as "stupid" or unethical?
Now that offends me. Does shooting prairie dogs at a few hundred yds with the wind in your face so they dont hear the report count as "stupid" or unethical?
Sam
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I have used reconnasance by fire driving down a nasty jungle road with an M60 but never when elk hunting.
Really bad form no matter the legality or ethics. Bad Form
Sam
Really bad form no matter the legality or ethics. Bad Form
Sam
Cosmoline
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What is this, "fire for effect" hunting?!
~z
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wow, your right, but Its new to me.
~z
~z
REad _READ _ READ!
I Think Its not the first time this is happening, Get close to your game, spook it , so what , You are hunting anyway. You'll get your elk somehow anyway. How fun of a hunt is it if you aren't sophisticated enough to get close to your game and take appropriate risks. How good of a hunter are you if you cant even remember the basics of the Hunt!
I myself like to take long shots. But that is done in a different way with a lot more work and patience involved. :banghead:
I don’t mean to upset anyone so excuse me , I don’t even believe this has even ever happened.
I Think Its not the first time this is happening, Get close to your game, spook it , so what , You are hunting anyway. You'll get your elk somehow anyway. How fun of a hunt is it if you aren't sophisticated enough to get close to your game and take appropriate risks. How good of a hunter are you if you cant even remember the basics of the Hunt!
I myself like to take long shots. But that is done in a different way with a lot more work and patience involved. :banghead:
I don’t mean to upset anyone so excuse me , I don’t even believe this has even ever happened.
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Sounds like a bunch of over anxious, armature, city boy idiots in the mountains. I see it every year.
Some tell tale signs:
They always hunt in huge groups like a bunch of nervous giggling teenage girls going to a public restroom. This herd mentality keeps them boys from getting sceerd way up in them big ole mountains.
They tend to "trash hunt" you know, doing things like using long range non direct fire to spook up game. And using radios to call in marker rounds.
They'll often be carrying them big ole super magniums with some o them big ole super magnium scopes on them. Most likely one of them there fine Weatherby rifles.
Sorry if I sound a bit sarcastic but this type of crap turns my stomach.
It's not the way I operate and I find it to be a disgusting display which gives us hunters a bad name.
Three years ago I witnessed a troop of these scum bags open up on a herd of elk from a paved road across a clearing. There were 8 guys all running around and firing into the herd. After 35 or 40 shots a gorgeous 6X7 bull fell and started rolling down the ridge.
This was about the time I came around the corner. The shooters were all giving high fives and Yee hahing.
I stopped and glassed the hill side the bull lay dead in the open and there were at least two more wounded elk in the trees standing hunched up in the classic been gut shot posture.
I pulled out my range finder and ranged the dead bull at 667 yards. About this time one of the intrepid shooters comes over to my truck and inquires as to how far "his" bull is. I said "What's your best guess" he replied "About 300".
When I told him the true distance his reply was "GOD BLESS THE .300 MAG!"
I asked him what he intended to do about the two wounded ones standing in the tree line to which he hollered "WHICH ONES OF YOU GUYS GOT TAGS!" to his anxiously awaiting brethren just down the road.
He then looked back across the valley which he was now needing to cross to get the elk out which was a 3-400 yard wide marsh which the beavers had dammed up, the water was waist high in most places and it was snowing heavily a wet blowing snow. As the realization of the task ahead started to dawn on him he asked "think you can get one of those horses over there and drag that bull out?"
I just spat into the road, bid the shooter a good day and drove off.
I am sick and tired of this CRAP as I see way to much of it on public ground.
If you want to hunt please do so. If you want to run around like a bunch of juvenile delinquents with over powered B.B. guns PLEASE stay home and shoot beer cans in your back yard!
All these gentlemen in the original post needed to do was sit and wait and enjoy this fine beast until he eventually stood and offered a shot. That would have been a glorious and wonderful outdoor experience to treasure for years to come. It would have provided these “hunters” with a chance to experience elk hunting in it’s most pure and beautiful form. Allowing them observe this bull in all his glory for possibly hours and hours. I can’t think of a greater privilege. Instead they acted like a bunch of rabid hyenas at a water hole with nothing but a kill in mind.
Some tell tale signs:
They always hunt in huge groups like a bunch of nervous giggling teenage girls going to a public restroom. This herd mentality keeps them boys from getting sceerd way up in them big ole mountains.
They tend to "trash hunt" you know, doing things like using long range non direct fire to spook up game. And using radios to call in marker rounds.
They'll often be carrying them big ole super magniums with some o them big ole super magnium scopes on them. Most likely one of them there fine Weatherby rifles.
Sorry if I sound a bit sarcastic but this type of crap turns my stomach.
It's not the way I operate and I find it to be a disgusting display which gives us hunters a bad name.
Three years ago I witnessed a troop of these scum bags open up on a herd of elk from a paved road across a clearing. There were 8 guys all running around and firing into the herd. After 35 or 40 shots a gorgeous 6X7 bull fell and started rolling down the ridge.
This was about the time I came around the corner. The shooters were all giving high fives and Yee hahing.
I stopped and glassed the hill side the bull lay dead in the open and there were at least two more wounded elk in the trees standing hunched up in the classic been gut shot posture.
I pulled out my range finder and ranged the dead bull at 667 yards. About this time one of the intrepid shooters comes over to my truck and inquires as to how far "his" bull is. I said "What's your best guess" he replied "About 300".
When I told him the true distance his reply was "GOD BLESS THE .300 MAG!"
I asked him what he intended to do about the two wounded ones standing in the tree line to which he hollered "WHICH ONES OF YOU GUYS GOT TAGS!" to his anxiously awaiting brethren just down the road.
He then looked back across the valley which he was now needing to cross to get the elk out which was a 3-400 yard wide marsh which the beavers had dammed up, the water was waist high in most places and it was snowing heavily a wet blowing snow. As the realization of the task ahead started to dawn on him he asked "think you can get one of those horses over there and drag that bull out?"
I just spat into the road, bid the shooter a good day and drove off.
I am sick and tired of this CRAP as I see way to much of it on public ground.
If you want to hunt please do so. If you want to run around like a bunch of juvenile delinquents with over powered B.B. guns PLEASE stay home and shoot beer cans in your back yard!
All these gentlemen in the original post needed to do was sit and wait and enjoy this fine beast until he eventually stood and offered a shot. That would have been a glorious and wonderful outdoor experience to treasure for years to come. It would have provided these “hunters” with a chance to experience elk hunting in it’s most pure and beautiful form. Allowing them observe this bull in all his glory for possibly hours and hours. I can’t think of a greater privilege. Instead they acted like a bunch of rabid hyenas at a water hole with nothing but a kill in mind.
04SilverSCFX4
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Bob aimed very high and squeezed the trigger. Moments later, the guys on the ridge radioed "you killed it. "
Think this would be considered plunging fire?
Think this would be considered plunging fire?
That's why I wear red
I'm going on my first cow elk hunt in a couple of weeks. Through the years, I heard some frightening stories from my dad, husband, and his friends. But this story really concerns me. When hunting with my dad, we'd always wear a red shirt or hat (usually it was me that he had dressed in some kind of red) so another hunter wouldn't think of us as prey. But with hunters such as the guys in the story and some of the posts, sounds like one can't be safe if other hunters don't use common sense and apply what was learned in a hunter's safety course. I hope I get the kill opening morning, and then be "out of the woods".
I'm going on my first cow elk hunt in a couple of weeks. Through the years, I heard some frightening stories from my dad, husband, and his friends. But this story really concerns me. When hunting with my dad, we'd always wear a red shirt or hat (usually it was me that he had dressed in some kind of red) so another hunter wouldn't think of us as prey. But with hunters such as the guys in the story and some of the posts, sounds like one can't be safe if other hunters don't use common sense and apply what was learned in a hunter's safety course. I hope I get the kill opening morning, and then be "out of the woods".
Thank you for responding H&H....I was told the elk couldn't distinquish between colors, but they spotted solid colors easily. The people at the Sporting Goods store sell orange vests and hats like what the roadmen wear. So if that is true, why isn't red incorporated in camoflage wear? Thnx...I'd ask my husband, but he is out of town elk scouting....ragsi
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Ragsi,
I am not speaking of the elk being able to see you I am refering to other hunters being able to see you. Orange is far more visible to other hunters than is red.
As far as what elk can see and what they can't I haven't figured that one out yet for sure, but I do know this. Hunt with the wind in your face the sun at your back and utilize shadows and natural cover and it doesn't really matter what you're wearing. That's always been my plan anyway.
And no matter what,enjoy the experience as a whole, don't get to wraped up in making a kill and you'll have a great time!
I am not speaking of the elk being able to see you I am refering to other hunters being able to see you. Orange is far more visible to other hunters than is red.
As far as what elk can see and what they can't I haven't figured that one out yet for sure, but I do know this. Hunt with the wind in your face the sun at your back and utilize shadows and natural cover and it doesn't really matter what you're wearing. That's always been my plan anyway.
And no matter what,enjoy the experience as a whole, don't get to wraped up in making a kill and you'll have a great time!
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