Confronted on the way home from a IDPA match...

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This happened today and I am posting it here for informational purposes. As an instructor I try to convey real life scenarios to those who have an interest in the hopes that it may add to their own bag of tricks. It just so happens that this specific situation involved me, while acting in no official capacity. In fact, it occurred within minutes of my having left an IDPA match this afternoon. It was reported and no further action is taken. I am comfortable with my stance even if it were to come up later so feel free to discuss at will. As you read please take note of the unfortunate sequence of events leading up to the critical moments.

I had just finished a 7 stage IDPA club match. It was rather warm so when I returned to the vehicle I threw my sweatshirt, which I had been using for the required concealment for the match, into the trunk along with my goodie bag of ammo, eyes and ears, you know, the usual. What is unusual is that I forgot and left my cell phone in the bag, having taken it out of my pocket during the match due to comfort. That will come into play in a minute. My stainless Beretta 92FS 9mm remained on my right hip along with the two spare magazines on my left. It is the way I always carry, fully loaded. I had no issue about not having concealment as I planned no stops between the range and my house. Even if I had, it’s southern Alabama and open carry generally won’t even get you a second look.

As I was pulling out of the club my low fuel light came on. It is a rural area and the nearest gas station is right before the freeway, about 10 miles away. Still no problem. I would make that. While driving the poor condition two-lane county road toward the main strip, a motorcycle came speeding up behind me out of nowhere and almost crashed into me from behind as I was taking a curve to the left. The poor condition of the road combined with the rider’s behavior was almost catastrophic and I had to hit my brakes to avoid a collision. Apparently this was somehow my fault as it got me a friendly one finger wave as the rider sped away in front of me and out of sight. Good, the further he is away the better. As I took the next curve I could see the bike sitting along the side of the road, the rider now dismounted and standing beside it, waving for me to pull over. It was obviously not a friendly wave. I passed him with as wide a berth as I could and continued on. I stepped on it a little bit to gain some distance between us, took a couple detours, and got back onto the main strip towards the gas station at the entrance to the freeway. The biker is nowhere in sight. At this point it’s a done deal and no real cause for alarm.

Just as I pull into the gas station I see the bike in my rear view mirror, about 100 yards back. I am sitting at the pumps and he pulls in, stopping at the far side of the building, behind me, about 10 yards away. He is not in a parking stall and it is apparent that he is not there to get gas. I release my seatbelt and open my door, purposefully not getting out of my vehicle. Knowing it is improbable; I am still hoping that it is only coincidental and that he is going to go inside the building. Instead, he dismounts and stands there staring at me, his right hand being held behind his back. Yes, my hand is on my weapon ready to draw and I am executing a plan in my head. Keep in mind my vehicle is now running on fumes and my cell phone is in the trunk, where I cannot get to it without losing cover and turning my back to him.

Taking advantage of the fact that he is dismounted and now has his helmet off, I quickly put my vehicle in gear and cross the street to the only other gas station. I really have no other choice. If I went anywhere else he would have followed and I would have been out of gas who knows where with him undoubtedly still accompanying me.

My gas tank is at the right rear of my vehicle so I positioned the forward most gas pump at passenger side of my vehicle. I quickly exit, keeping constant eye on the rider getting back on his motorcycle. I throw the pump handle in my tank on my way to the trunk but he is there too quick. He stops on the opposite side of the island about 10 feet back from me. He jumps off of his motorcycle, yelling profanities and aggressively coming towards me, his right hand going to the same place behind his back. He has apparently not yet observed that I am openly carrying but he is about to. I already have a firm grip on my weapon, stepping left to better position myself behind cover. My left hand goes up in front of my body both in a manner to convey stop and positioned to accept my strong side hand should I draw my weapon. I say in a loud, firm voice, “Stop right there! Do not come any closer!” This serves two purposes. I want him to know I am serious and secondly, I am trying to create witnesses.

He stops dead in his tracks but his demeanor does not change. It must be apparent to him now that I am not the running victim and easy target he thought I was. To this point I had continually avoided him and he must have thought that was a sign of weakness or an advantage for him. I view that element of surprise as an advantage to me but anyway, I digress. Anyway, I still do not know what is behind his back but we both know that I had the drop on him at this point. He continues to yell profanities and threats but does not come any closer. I continually say words to the effect of, “Don’t come any closer. We don’t need any problems. Stop threatening me. Stay away. Stop following me. Just back off. Somebody call 911.” I must have said each of those lines at least three times. There is now a small crowd around us of about 7-10 people, either in vehicles or standing several feet away. I want there to be no doubt in anyone’s mind about who is asking for 911 and who the aggressor is.

Now is a good time to note that I am not assuming that any of these people around us are on my side or even neutral to the incident. In fact, I am assuming the opposite but trying not to show it. This aggressor has me by about 6 inches and at least 50 pounds. He is a black male and most of the people at the station are of the same ethnicity. I only point this out because this guy is apparently from around here and I am not (I drive two hours to shoot at this club each month). It is a rural area and it is much more likely that he has friends here than me. Therefore, while he is getting about 70 percent of my attention my head is on a swivel. Out loud I am giving clear and repeated verbal commands but on the inside I am saying, “Front sight, cover, front sight, cover, front sight, cover.”

I see there are a few gallons of fuel in my tank and I take the first opportunity to remove the nozzle, not breaking eye contact or removing my hand from my weapon. I back my way around the vehicle towards the driver’s side. It appears for a split moment that he is gaining his courage and he takes another step towards me and I see his arm flinch. I yell, “Don’t do it” as my weapon begins to clear leather. Thank God he thinks better and stops once again. Keeping eye contact and hand on weapon, I insert my keys with my left hand and depart quickly, getting on the freeway.

My plan was to pull off at the very next exit, about 10 miles away, and retrieve my cell phone. As I exit the freeway I see a trooper and contact him. I tell him the entire story. He checks with dispatch, including local PD and Sheriff, and no reports had been made. That is somewhat surprising considering the number of bystanders watching a face-off between one obviously armed man and another likely armed man. That leads me to believe one of three things 1) The bystanders did know the guy 2) That many people are unwilling to even make a call to 911 or 3) This is Alabama and that’s just how things are here.

End of story. The trooper takes my information but basically says, “Nobody was assaulted and we can’t identify him (I was never in a position to get a plate).” He ends with, “Good thing you had your gun on you.”

Lessons Learned or Reinforced:

1) Yes, I know I shouldn’t let my tank get that low.

2) Yes, I know I shouldn’t have forgotten my cell phone in the trunk.

3) Mindset, mindset, mindset. I use the color scale and never get caught in green (or white if that’s your color). I don’t have any qualms with mine today.

4) Always have a plan. I had a plan for every moment as the situation unfolded.

5) Create witnesses.

6) If you must act, act in a manner that says, “You will not win this fight.”

7) If you must get involved in an incident, do so on the way from the IDPA match where you just had a “You are filling up your gas tank when you are approached by a group….” scenario. No kidding, that was one of the scenarios today.

8)…and many others but I will let you all point them out.
 
Sounds like all turned out well, but I did have to laugh. Funny how instructors seem to suffer the same mistakes as the rest of us. You are not the first instructor who has explained an incident where things did not start off well with, "Yes, I know..." to explain how it is that things got off to a bad start.
 
Since you just left the IDPA match, all you needed was another person near-by calling out:

"Shooter ready........................"
"Stand-by..............................."

"BEEP!"

Mr. Bike Rider would have been surprised!

In all seriousness - glad it worked out well................my 1st match of the season is Sunday Morning........................
 
Geez, that sounds like the mythical western style, high noon, duel with the rest of the other guy's cattle rustling gang around and you were the stranger that just came into town.

Could have gotten real messy real fast especially if no one called any police during that time. I can only imagine the kind of hell storm that could have ensued in the wake of that.

Good looking out and way to stay cool.
 
you did good, you never lost your cool, your awareness of the situation and nobody got hurt.
 
a motorcycle came speeding up behind me out of nowhere and almost crashed into me from behind

Out of "nowhere"? Are you sure you didn't pull out in front of him?
While that doesn't make his reaction right, it may explain why he was as incensed as you perceived him to be.

Jest asking...as a motorcyclist myself, I've had a lot of folks who "didn't see me"!
 
So did you pay for the gas? In most places failure to do so would get a call to the police from the station.
 
I had someone do a U Turn in front of me Friday at noon while doing 70 on my motorcycle. Base of a hill, two lane road and they almost seemed to wait for me to get closer before they did the U turn.
I hope you didnt pull out in front of him.
An automobile in the hands of someone who "Didn't see him comming" is much the same as sticking a loaded gun to my head.
 
Out of "nowhere"? Are you sure you didn't pull out in front of him?
While that doesn't make his reaction right, it may explain why he was as incensed as you perceived him to be.

It is amazing how this will change one's perspective. It does not justify his reaction, and I am glad you handled this the way you did. Having been where he is, I can tell you not everyone keeps their head.

Two weeks ago, my wife & I were on a date. I was driving my lifted Tundra (a roll risk), around 45 MPH on a side road. A mid-sized car approaching from my right coasted through a stop sign, pulling directly in front of me. I had NO WAY to stop, so I had to swerve to the right, drive through the grass, jump a curb, and swerve to avoid the stop sign he ran. Coming to a stop, I look in the mirror and see him stopping for a red light behind me. I AM ANGRY. I AM ARMED. I AM ABOUT TO MAKE A MISTAKE.

I spin around, tires & wife screaming, and chase this looser down. I come to a stop next to him (there are no other cars), and scream everything you can imagine, completely out of control. He sits in his car, ashen & terrified, refusing to get out and face me. Realizing my lunacy, I turn around and drive home. It was not a good night with my Mrs. I am now VERY thankful this did not escalate further, and that my would-be vehicular assaulter had the good sense to stay in his car.

You reacted properly. I am well trained, focused, and have never lost it like that before. Incredible emotion & anger can be created when ones life is placed in jeopardy. We need to be CAREFUL out there. Pulling in front of someone can turn even the best people into a threat. (If that is what happened). Glad you both walked away unharmed.
 
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He ends with, “Good thing you had your gun on you.”

I love getting affirmation like that from LEO. Most of the time I feel kinda like the outlaw when Im carrying. Just letting the public gun preception get to me I guess. Sometimes feels like Im doing something wrong or uncalled for. Start leaving the gun at home more. But when I hear things like this, where the cop0s encouraged a fellow carrier like that. It just gives me some much needed encouragement.
 
First, my thanks to jscott for the excellent report.

My question regards strategy and tactics: Would it have been a good move to leave the car and go to the gas station, ask the clerk to call the police? I see a pro and a con with that, and some of the factors depend on how far the pumps were from the store. In a similar IPSC scenario, the shooter takes position behind the open car door.

These are just open questions for discussion - it sounds like the situation was handled well as stated and it's a good thing the matter didn't escalate further.
 
Funny how instructors seem to suffer the same mistakes as the rest of us.

Absolutely. I will be the first to admit that I am not immune.

Are you sure you didn't pull out in front of him?

Pretty sure about that one. I had already been on the county road for about 2 miles. He "came out of nowhere" because I had just taken a curve and there was not much roadway in view behind me. He apparently was going way too fast for that corner and didn't see me until the last second. This is speculation, but he may have thought I had just pulled out. Doesn't change much though.

Despite my law enforcement background, I don't drive aggressively and I keep an eye out for the motorcycles and little kids. I've investigated a lot of collisions. As for my driving though, many a ol' lady have passed me on the freeway.

As an aside and unrelated, what get's me upset is people speeding through parking lots. I have had the unfortuanate experience of investigating kids as young as two being run over by a F-150 in the grocery store parking lot. That memory does not go away. Everyone please be careful.

So did you pay for the gas?

I did. I always have my card out on the seat well in advance of pulling into a station and swiped it quickly. About an hour later I actually thought I might have dropped the card at the station because I couldn't remember what I did with it, but it was in my pocket. I never just put it in a pocket and I don't remember putting it there. Then I got to wondering whether I actually swiped it. I checked my account and apparently I did. Funny about those little things.
 
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This happened today and I am posting it here for informational purposes. As an instructor I try to convey real life scenarios to those who have an interest in the hopes that it may add to their own bag of tricks. It just so happens that this specific situation involved me, while acting in no official capacity. In fact, it occurred within minutes of my having left an IDPA match this afternoon. It was reported and no further action is taken. I am comfortable with my stance even if it were to come up later so feel free to discuss at will. As you read please take note of the unfortunate sequence of events leading up to the critical moments.

I had just finished a 7 stage IDPA club match. It was rather warm so when I returned to the vehicle I threw my sweatshirt, which I had been using for the required concealment for the match, into the trunk along with my goodie bag of ammo, eyes and ears, you know, the usual. What is unusual is that I forgot and left my cell phone in the bag, having taken it out of my pocket during the match due to comfort. That will come into play in a minute. My stainless Beretta 92FS 9mm remained on my right hip along with the two spare magazines on my left. It is the way I always carry, fully loaded. I had no issue about not having concealment as I planned no stops between the range and my house. Even if I had, it’s southern Alabama and open carry generally won’t even get you a second look.

As I was pulling out of the club my low fuel light came on. It is a rural area and the nearest gas station is right before the freeway, about 10 miles away. Still no problem. I would make that. While driving the poor condition two-lane county road toward the main strip, a motorcycle came speeding up behind me out of nowhere and almost crashed into me from behind as I was taking a curve to the left. The poor condition of the road combined with the rider’s behavior was almost catastrophic and I had to hit my brakes to avoid a collision. Apparently this was somehow my fault as it got me a friendly one finger wave as the rider sped away in front of me and out of sight. Good, the further he is away the better. As I took the next curve I could see the bike sitting along the side of the road, the rider now dismounted and standing beside it, waving for me to pull over. It was obviously not a friendly wave. I passed him with as wide a berth as I could and continued on. I stepped on it a little bit to gain some distance between us, took a couple detours, and got back onto the main strip towards the gas station at the entrance to the freeway. The biker is nowhere in sight. At this point it’s a done deal and no real cause for alarm.

Just as I pull into the gas station I see the bike in my rear view mirror, about 100 yards back. I am sitting at the pumps and he pulls in, stopping at the far side of the building, behind me, about 10 yards away. He is not in a parking stall and it is apparent that he is not there to get gas. I release my seatbelt and open my door, purposefully not getting out of my vehicle. Knowing it is improbable; I am still hoping that it is only coincidental and that he is going to go inside the building. Instead, he dismounts and stands there staring at me, his right hand being held behind his back. Yes, my hand is on my weapon ready to draw and I am executing a plan in my head. Keep in mind my vehicle is now running on fumes and my cell phone is in the trunk, where I cannot get to it without losing cover and turning my back to him.

Taking advantage of the fact that he is dismounted and now has his helmet off, I quickly put my vehicle in gear and cross the street to the only other gas station. I really have no other choice. If I went anywhere else he would have followed and I would have been out of gas who knows where with him undoubtedly still accompanying me.

My gas tank is at the right rear of my vehicle so I positioned the forward most gas pump at passenger side of my vehicle. I quickly exit, keeping constant eye on the rider getting back on his motorcycle. I throw the pump handle in my tank on my way to the trunk but he is there too quick. He stops on the opposite side of the island about 10 feet back from me. He jumps off of his motorcycle, yelling profanities and aggressively coming towards me, his right hand going to the same place behind his back. He has apparently not yet observed that I am openly carrying but he is about to. I already have a firm grip on my weapon, stepping left to better position myself behind cover. My left hand goes up in front of my body both in a manner to convey stop and positioned to accept my strong side hand should I draw my weapon. I say in a loud, firm voice, “Stop right there! Do not come any closer!” This serves two purposes. I want him to know I am serious and secondly, I am trying to create witnesses.

He stops dead in his tracks but his demeanor does not change. It must be apparent to him now that I am not the running victim and easy target he thought I was. To this point I had continually avoided him and he must have thought that was a sign of weakness or an advantage for him. I view that element of surprise as an advantage to me but anyway, I digress. Anyway, I still do not know what is behind his back but we both know that I had the drop on him at this point. He continues to yell profanities and threats but does not come any closer. I continually say words to the effect of, “Don’t come any closer. We don’t need any problems. Stop threatening me. Stay away. Stop following me. Just back off. Somebody call 911.” I must have said each of those lines at least three times. There is now a small crowd around us of about 7-10 people, either in vehicles or standing several feet away. I want there to be no doubt in anyone’s mind about who is asking for 911 and who the aggressor is.

Now is a good time to note that I am not assuming that any of these people around us are on my side or even neutral to the incident. In fact, I am assuming the opposite but trying not to show it. This aggressor has me by about 6 inches and at least 50 pounds. He is a black male and most of the people at the station are of the same ethnicity. I only point this out because this guy is apparently from around here and I am not (I drive two hours to shoot at this club each month). It is a rural area and it is much more likely that he has friends here than me. Therefore, while he is getting about 70 percent of my attention my head is on a swivel. Out loud I am giving clear and repeated verbal commands but on the inside I am saying, “Front sight, cover, front sight, cover, front sight, cover.”

I see there are a few gallons of fuel in my tank and I take the first opportunity to remove the nozzle, not breaking eye contact or removing my hand from my weapon. I back my way around the vehicle towards the driver’s side. It appears for a split moment that he is gaining his courage and he takes another step towards me and I see his arm flinch. I yell, “Don’t do it” as my weapon begins to clear leather. Thank God he thinks better and stops once again. Keeping eye contact and hand on weapon, I insert my keys with my left hand and depart quickly, getting on the freeway.

My plan was to pull off at the very next exit, about 10 miles away, and retrieve my cell phone. As I exit the freeway I see a trooper and contact him. I tell him the entire story. He checks with dispatch, including local PD and Sheriff, and no reports had been made. That is somewhat surprising considering the number of bystanders watching a face-off between one obviously armed man and another likely armed man. That leads me to believe one of three things 1) The bystanders did know the guy 2) That many people are unwilling to even make a call to 911 or 3) This is Alabama and that’s just how things are here.

End of story. The trooper takes my information but basically says, “Nobody was assaulted and we can’t identify him (I was never in a position to get a plate).” He ends with, “Good thing you had your gun on you.”

Lessons Learned or Reinforced:

1) Yes, I know I shouldn’t let my tank get that low.

2) Yes, I know I shouldn’t have forgotten my cell phone in the trunk.

3) Mindset, mindset, mindset. I use the color scale and never get caught in green (or white if that’s your color). I don’t have any qualms with mine today.

4) Always have a plan. I had a plan for every moment as the situation unfolded.

5) Create witnesses.

6) If you must act, act in a manner that says, “You will not win this fight.”

7) If you must get involved in an incident, do so on the way from the IDPA match where you just had a “You are filling up your gas tank when you are approached by a group….” scenario. No kidding, that was one of the scenarios today.

8)…and many others but I will let you all point them out.

You seem to have done things right. I think I have left my phone in my range bag before, you tried to have witnesses, but they didn't seem to want to cooperate.
 
Thank you for sharing this story. Gas stations are probably the most dangerous places that most of us frequent.

My head is always on a swivel when fueling up. I'm just very conscious that though criminals spend much of their time committing crime elsewhere, or hanging out with their loser friends somewhere away from me, they have to fuel up too. Inevitably, I will be fueling up sometimes next to violent felons, and may never know it. They probably won't do anything, but that's an encounter that's very hard to avoid.

You were right not to trust the crowd at the gas station. In my experience, one-on-one fights with the type of "locals" you described can quickly turn into 10-vs-1 gang beatings. The "stop snitching" intimidation movement almost certainly guaranteed the lack of a 911 call on your behalf.

The best decision you made, in my opinion, was continuing to fuel your vehicle to enable your escape. The temptation would be to hold fast, waiting for the police to arrive, but you planned for the worst by assuming that you alone would be responsible for extricating yourself from the scenario. You were right - you would have stood there a long time before the cops showed up.
 
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It sounds like you did just fine to me. Don't beat yourself up too much about leaving your phone in the trunk. When we break our daily routines, we forget stuff. It was unfortunate that you did this on a day that you REALLY needed it.

I had a thought about attrackting a few more witnesses. If your car has a panic alarm, you could always hit the button on your remote to set that off. While most people don't go out of their way to investigate an alarm in a parking lot, it might have got the clerks attention enough for him to dial 911. Plus, panic alarms are almost always triggered by the victim and not the agressor. Just a thought.

Glad things ended well.
 
Glad this all turned out O.K. I shot the match yesterday with the OP and the bad guy is lucky he didn't press his luck. He might have learned the meaning of "Mozambique" too late to be of value to him.

RMD
 
jscott,

Do you feel that your choice to open carry that day dissuaded a more...direct confrontation by the aggressor?

I'm personally disinclined to open carry, but I've seen several stories lately that seem to point to violence averted once the aggressor spotted a openly carried firearm.
 
a motorcycle came speeding up behind me out of nowhere and almost crashed into me from behind as I was taking a curve to the left. The poor condition of the road combined with the rider’s behavior was almost catastrophic and I had to hit my brakes to avoid a collision.
I had to stop reading here.
I'm glad you're okay.
But why do you hit your brakes to avoid a collision because someone has come up BEHIND you?
Sounds to me like you decided to "Teach him a lesson."
 
I also drive thru a rough area of town to get to my IDPA matches every 1st and 3rd saturday. I end up carrying my match gun with loads more appropriate for "social applications".
 
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