Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'

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Didn't see this anywhere else on the site yet - hopefully it's not a dupe...

A perfect storm is developing for Second Amendment opponents that could allow President-elect Barack Obama's choice for attorney general – Eric Holder – to "ban guns at will" despite the 2008 affirmation from the U.S. Supreme Court that U.S. citizens have a right to bear arms.

"In plain English," Korwin said, "This means that any firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public. That presumption can be challenged only by suing the federal government over each firearm it decides to ban, in a court it runs with a judge it pays. This virtually dismisses the principles of the Second Amendment.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85507
 
People still read "worldnetdaily?" That's the National Enquirer for neocons, only the National Enquirer occasionally breaks news that's true.
 
One person isnt going to ban a hot button issue like guns. Just isnt going to happen, if it happens it will take a large number of idiots not just one.
 
any firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
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This would fall apart immediately under Heller and even Miller.

I don't think a lawyer worth his weight in dog**** would try that. They're much better at finding ways around court precedents.
 
This means that any firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
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If true, this is VERY SCARY. This could come down to every gun made, if they classified by type. Every bolt action, revolver, semiauto pistol, muzzleloader,...everything. Except for maybe a few SA rifles that work on a different type of action.

All that being said, I highly doubt that there is any validity to this article. Sure Obama would like for it to be the case. But the Dems in congress know how much fury would come from the voters. It would probably swing by unprecedented seats in both houses.

Wyman
 
when its time to bury them its time to dig them up


im tired of this crap i really am

im just going to form my own country all gun owners and 2a supporters are welcome to join me
 
Reality: there are at least .01% of American gun owners who would go down shooting, if there was a mass confiscation. That's not a high estimate.

There are what, at least 50,000,000 gun owners. That means 5000 Ruby Ridges at the very least. Each of the dead would have at least 10 pissed-off relatives, 100 pissed-off friends, 1000 pissed-off like-minded individuals who may not have rallied at first, but would be likely to go rogue when the first wave of people were killed by the government.

Rodney King was a dirtbag who fought with a bunch of cops during a legitimate arrest. He drove them over the edge, and got beaten a bit much, and when you see the whole video, not by a whole lot, considering his own conduct. And yet, when they didn't imprison all the cops, a whole densely-populated region of the country fell into rioting for days. Over 50 people died, and there were chain-reaction or copycat riots around the nation and into Canada. That was triggered by an incident involving ONE MAN who was hardly a hero. What about when it's someone's grandpa, and he's not just a little banged up, he's dead, along with his wife and pets?

There may be some big-blue-city Democrats who don't understand what that would mean. But I think a whole lot of people in DC, and even in Chicago, do understand.

Nope. If something happens, look for it to be done slowly, incrementally, so that each step by itself isn't enough to cause widespread civil unrest.

That's what has happened with nearly everything else, like tax rates, regulatory takings, etc. Why would this be different?
 
It's baloney folks forget about it. Just a scare tactic to keep everybody writing their congressman etc...which we should all be doing anyway. The neocons are more clueless than the lefties. Real conservatives, and good old fashioned liberals will always vote pro-gun, of course with varying degrees of enthusiasm.

Maybe I am too simple here but this is still America and we have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

"Ban guns at will"...illegal and just baloney.
 
This is actually correct, look at HR 1022, it would allow the AG to ban weapons of his choosing and any weapon the police or military used would be banned.

"`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'."
 
WND did not write the story they just have a link to it. It is easy to Google the bill and read for yourselves. My opinion is to trust but verify. If the Congress tries to push this through then act to stop it by contacting your representatives. :cool:
 
Like caseypj said, this is old news. This is a rehash of H.R.1022 et seq.

Having said that, it is truly frightening legislation, BUT it would meet a lot of resistance in Congress.
 
There are what, at least 50,000,000 gun owners. That means 5000 Ruby Ridges at the very least. Each of the dead would have at least 10 pissed-off relatives, 100 pissed-off friends, 1000 pissed-off like-minded individuals who may not have rallied at first, but would be likely to go rogue when the first wave of people were killed by the government.

Rodney King was a dirtbag who fought with a bunch of cops during a legitimate arrest. He drove them over the edge, and got beaten a bit much, and when you see the whole video, not by a whole lot, considering his own conduct. And yet, when they didn't imprison all the cops, a whole densely-populated region of the country fell into rioting for days. Over 50 people died, and there were chain-reaction or copycat riots around the nation and into Canada. That was triggered by an incident involving ONE MAN who was hardly a hero. What about when it's someone's grandpa, and he's not just a little banged up, he's dead, along with his wife and pets?
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No, that's not how it works.

Some groups of people use any excuse to riot, loot, create chaos, and in general do whatever they want to do. And some groups of people do not.

The gun owners who we refer to in these types of discussions do not.
 
One person isnt going to ban a hot button issue like guns. Just isnt going to happen, if it happens it will take a large number of idiots not just one.
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In case you haven't noticed, a large group of idiots are now IN CHARGE.....

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I dont think there will be a sweeping band and confiscation but, if there is, count me as one of the 5000. Ive already discussed it with my family.

I wrote my legislators today.
 
No problem. If you've not seen the Glenn Beck speech at the NRA convention, check it out. One of the greatest speeches Ive ever seen.

I related especially to the part where he says he never joined in any organization except for his church. Now he has joined the NRA and taken up the cause.

Same here. Ive joined a churched but no other org. until recently. Ive not joined the NRA but I have taken up a cause I truly believe in and its not just 2A. Its the entire document.

Its time to stand up.
 
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Reality: there are at least .01% of American gun owners who would go down shooting, if there was a mass confiscation. That's not a high estimate.

There are what, at least 50,000,000 gun owners. That means 5000 Ruby Ridges at the very least. Each of the dead would have at least 10 pissed-off relatives, 100 pissed-off friends, 1000 pissed-off like-minded individuals who may not have rallied at first, but would be likely to go rogue when the first wave of people were killed by the government.

Rodney King was a dirtbag who fought with a bunch of cops during a legitimate arrest. He drove them over the edge, and got beaten a bit much, and when you see the whole video, not by a whole lot, considering his own conduct. And yet, when they didn't imprison all the cops, a whole densely-populated region of the country fell into rioting for days. Over 50 people died, and there were chain-reaction or copycat riots around the nation and into Canada. That was triggered by an incident involving ONE MAN who was hardly a hero. What about when it's someone's grandpa, and he's not just a little banged up, he's dead, along with his wife and pets?
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I believe you on this one. People in this country have done this even recently. If you remember the standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho and the Waco, Texas massacre, then you now know Timothy McVeigh's motive. Timothy McVeigh, the guy who bombed the FBI building in Oklahoma(Oklahoma City bombing), did so because of how the FBI wrongly handled the incidents in Ruby Ridge and Waco.
 
Timothy McVeigh, the guy who bombed the FBI building in Oklahoma(Oklahoma City bombing), did so because of how the FBI wrongly handled the incidents in Ruby Ridge and Waco.
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If you're suggesting that McVeigh was right or justified or anything short of reprehensible and any kind of model then you probably need to turn your guns in right away.
 
Do i think what McVeigh did was right? No. He killed alot of innocent people that had nothing to do with the events in Waco and Ruby Ridge. But if firearm consfication were ever to happen and some civilians stood their ground, they would be wrongly labeled a domestic terrorist in the same category as McVeigh. Thats the correlation i was trying to make.
 
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