Consent-To-Search in Oakland, CA

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pbearperry said:
As soon as you allow your son to walk out of the house with his hat on backwards,his baggy pants below his Johnson,and his Gangsta rap CD's,you have lost the game.
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Excuse me! That's a little naive and ignorant statement don't you think?

Wearing a hat backwards signifies absolutely nothing. What music someone listens to means absolutely nothing as well. I'll agree with the pants comment, kinda, you still however shouldn't profile someone for that reason though.

For your information, I wear my hat backwards 50% of the time. Am I going to go out and rob a bank and 'shoot up the joint' because so? I also listen to your 'gangsta rap', and Country, and Oldies, and Rock and Roll, and Classical, and.....

But, I guess I'm now going to go out and 'bust a cap' because my parents failed and let me listen to 'gangsta rap'.

I'm 23, graduated college with my BSEE two years ago with a 3.8 GPA. I own my own house. Work for a multi Million dollar company for the semi conductor industry.




Your 'game' is a little off.
 
Odd notion. When I suspected two of my own children of being involved in things I didn't approve, I was perfectly capable of searching their rooms myself. Pretty bad when you have to have the police do it for you. :eek:

Springmom
 
D94R said:
Excuse me! That's a little naive and ignorant statement don't you think?
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Couldn't agree more. I am an old fart, but I have noticed that among folks under 25, wearing a baseball cap "backwards" is the normal way to wear it.

My son wears his cap that way when he wears a cap, and has listened to rap music.

Guess I lost the battle. Oh he is graduating cum laude next month with a 3.97 in physics with a math minor, and has accepted a full ride in EE from a very good grad school. Guess I really, really screwed up letting him out of the house wearing his hat differently than my friends and I wear our hats! :)

Mike
 
Seriously... Karl Marx would love this idea...
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Why would Karl Marx love this idea?

I am not arguing, just curious - I haven't read a lot of Marx, but I can't fathom a connection between what I read and consent searches.

Mike
 
Pretty bad when you have to have the police do it for you.
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I think the parents who are asking for help would agree that it's not an ideal situation. That's more or less why they're asking for help.

In my situation, we have two parents in the household, with one of us working half time (more or less). We have lots of time/interest for our kids.

But all households are not like mine. A single mom working long hours to support her family with a difficult teen may need some help. Judging her - to my mind - may make me feel good, but it doesn't help solve the problem.

Mike
 
A single mom working long hours to support her family with a difficult teen may need some help. Judging her - to my mind - may make me feel good, but it doesn't help solve the problem.
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You make a good counter-point there, Mike. I could see how, under circumstances such as you describe, that a parent might need help disarming a child that is teetering (or maybe already tipped) toward criminal behavior. I don't think roving squads are the answer...but help should be available if asked for.
 
This is happening all over the place and the problem I see with it is most people don't know you can say "no" to a cop. Most people think you must do whatever a cop says. Folks here are generally more knowledgeable of their rights.

It's the potential for abuse that I don't like. It would be easy for a cop to "forget" to mention that the homeowner can decline the search, etc.

Another reason I dislike it is it conditions the public to think that cops going door to door making searches is normal. I don't want that to become normal, although it seems to be an awfully popular program these days.

Sigh.

I do agree that help with an unruly teen should be offered, but door to door search requests? No way.
 
"If it's embraced as a way to get guns off the street, great. If people don't want to cooperate, then we don't continue the program."
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Yep...because a person's home is considered the street now I guess.

Well, in a socialist society, you don't own private property, and in the Communist Manifesto, the first step towards creating a communist society is the confiscation of private property...
 
Maybe parents could grow a set and try something like this:

"Where do you think you're going?...Get over here!... You're not going anywhere in that baggy outfit until you turn out your pockets... And while we're at it, I want to see the contents of your closet, your dresser drawers, coats, sweatshirts, and under the mattress."
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Surely you've heard the recent story about the young parents in Denver who had a fist fight in Blockbuster as they argued over which street gang their four year old son would join? They'll probably supply the gun, too.

K
 
God gave us middle fingers for a reason.
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Provoking officers when they are on duty seems like a cowardly act to me.

I have felt this way for a long time - going all the way back to anti-war demonstrations in the 60s. This is not a new stance for me.

If you flip the bird during a confrontation with a random person on the street, there's an even chance that they're going to smack you - that's the point of flipping the bird, to provoke a confrontation. Man to man, right?

But when you flip the bird at an on duty officer you are hiding behind the fact that he can't do anything back - not even flip the bird back at you - without having legal trouble and/or losing his job.

Is provoking a man who cannot respond the action of a hero or a coward?

You make the call.

I made it for myself 40 years ago, and my politics have changed a lot since 1968 - but I still believe it's the right call.

Mike
 
Quote "Councilwoman Patricia Kernighan, ... "If it's embraced as a way to get guns off the street, great..." Quote

The guns are off the street, lady! They are in someone's house, a private residence, their CASTLE! Its up to their parents to have a set big enough to raise their kids right.
 
Hey, i wear hats! and pants, and i listen to metal :O

Not hiding any guns though, and i don`t want the local police asking me if i do either!
 
As usual,THR missed my point.Little white kids in thr burbs wearing hats backwards and low baggy pants are only tryin to look cool.Kids in the inner cities who dress like that are jail bird wannabees or Gangstas.OK now everyone will say I am a racist.The cops are trying to figure out how to keep inner city kids from killing eachother,not trying to be Nazis.Go back to your safe desk jobs and leave the crime fighting to the cops.Cops aren't trying to tell you how to do your jobs are they?What a bunch of armchair quarterbacks in here.
 
Wow, never seen such an outcry of idiocracy. First, the officers that must do this in Oakland, CA are doing this b/c they are being told to do so, and that is their job. Second, It is a request for a "CONSENT TO SEARCH". A simple ''no'' will suffice. Police catch enough sh*t from the top to the bottom and don't need yours. I'm speaking from experience, I have had to take on tasks that I do not want to do as an officer. Try standing at an intersection and writing seatbelt tickets. ( I hate seatbelts, and I hate tickets) but I have to do it b/c it's the job I signed up for.
In every state in our great country some ******* senator or governor makes up some "crime fighting'' plan and then shoves it down the pipe to local LEOs and we are then obligated to do it. I receive a few pieces of paper every week, which I must go ask someone on two seperate occasions if I can search their house for drugs. These are anonymous complaints called into the crime stopper hotline, which is frequently abused by girl getting back at ex-guy or vice versa, but It still has to be done.
So please get your head outside the bubble and stop thinking so small, and thinking that these ideas occur to a police officer one night and he then decides to become the gestapo. We all know the quote "sh*t rolls downhill". well from experience, the police are at the bottom of the hill with a shovel.

and to one poster in particular, remember most cops (that i know) are NRA members or supporters, we love legally armed citizens.
 
Retired thankfully.For 32 years everyone wanted to tell me how to do the job.Do it more,do it less,why pick on me,is this all you have to do?WHy haven't you found my car yet?WHy did it take you so long to get here?Oh by the way,you make too much money.
 
Maybe if parents would just say "Excuse me but where are you going? Who is going to be there? What are you doing there? And You wil be home in time for dinner at 6 pm right?" Hey son and or daughter how was school today? What classes did you have? Tell me something new you learned?

Simple questions might not get many answers from a teenager. But it is the point you are making that you love them and you are looking out for them. Believe me it works and it works good. Be involved in their life. How hard is that?

I believe that when the family started not sitting down to a family dinner is when the American family unit started falling apart. We always had dinner as a family unless my dad was out of town on work then my step mom and I still had dinner together. Parents are having a hard time setting limits today from what I see. The kids screams I want candy in the store mom shoves candy in the kids mouth to shut him up. Kids are not trophy's they are kids you need to mold them and shape them in to good upstanding adults.

I believe that the Scottish started the flipping the bird to show the English that the archers still could shoot at them. Because IIRC they would cut off the middle finger of an archer if he was ever captured. I may be totally off on this but I think that is kind of how it started.
 
As usual,THR missed my point.Little white kids in thr burbs wearing hats backwards and low baggy pants are only tryin to look cool.Kids in the inner cities who dress like that are jail bird wannabees or Gangstas.OK now everyone will say I am a racist.The cops are trying to figure out how to keep inner city kids from killing eachother,not trying to be Nazis.Go back to your safe desk jobs and leave the crime fighting to the cops.Cops aren't trying to tell you how to do your jobs are they?What a bunch of armchair quarterbacks in here.
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No, not a racist, a realist I would say.

I don't blames the cops, I blame the politicos and I think the average street cop agrees that this is wrong.
 
The officers doing this are simply proving that they will follow ANY order given to them. If they get chewed out by a dozen people and have a horrible day every time they get this duty maybe they'll learn something.
 
In Cali, the parents will likely share some legal responsibility for their minor kid having a gun in the house, especially if the minor kid has used the gun in any manner.

To cut a long post short, I just say "no". Disciplining kids is the parent's responsibility.
 
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