grampster
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If we conservatives are nuts, then that illness should qualify us for social security disability payments......sign me up now! (I can use the cash to get me that 7 shot, snubby .357, vented barrel, titanium wheel gun...drool)
Conservative? Here's what's wrong with you....
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I must take issue here.
.45ruger,
The study of zero gravity on plants is very relevant. One has to find out what can and cannot be grown in zero gravity in order to determine what further steps in space exploration and even horticulture can be taken. Think of it this way, if you're going to do deep space exploration you will need a replenishable food supply i.e. a garden of vegetables. So if you can't grow plants in zero gravity deep space exploration will be near impossible.
I just wanted to throw that out there. Continue talking amongst yourselves about neowabbymaxizumedweebies at UC Berkley. I will say this before I sign off and that is, have you all notice that everything insane in nature has come out of UC Berkley? If something newsworthy and kockamamy is printed it most likely came from UC Berkley.
DRC
.45ruger,
The study of zero gravity on plants is very relevant. One has to find out what can and cannot be grown in zero gravity in order to determine what further steps in space exploration and even horticulture can be taken. Think of it this way, if you're going to do deep space exploration you will need a replenishable food supply i.e. a garden of vegetables. So if you can't grow plants in zero gravity deep space exploration will be near impossible.
I just wanted to throw that out there. Continue talking amongst yourselves about neowabbymaxizumedweebies at UC Berkley. I will say this before I sign off and that is, have you all notice that everything insane in nature has come out of UC Berkley? If something newsworthy and kockamamy is printed it most likely came from UC Berkley.
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Pendragon
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"Conservative" is not defined very well in our society.
I know a lot of people who consider themselves "conservative" but I think they are elitist, statist socialist (here in CA, its all relative dont you know).
I consider my self much more of al ibertarian than a conservative. I still vote Republican because I am pragmatic and I think the LP is often loony.
However - the nice thing about being a libertarian is that it is not that difficult to determine your position on something. Light the scenario with individual rights and liberty and most things become pretty clear.
Conservatives and Liberals alike want to restrict certain liberties because they have decided that some freedoms are less important than some causes. I think it is that simple.
The real issue is - what freedoms do you want to restrict and what what do you think the government should be doing?
I know a lot of people who consider themselves "conservative" but I think they are elitist, statist socialist (here in CA, its all relative dont you know).
I consider my self much more of al ibertarian than a conservative. I still vote Republican because I am pragmatic and I think the LP is often loony.
However - the nice thing about being a libertarian is that it is not that difficult to determine your position on something. Light the scenario with individual rights and liberty and most things become pretty clear.
Conservatives and Liberals alike want to restrict certain liberties because they have decided that some freedoms are less important than some causes. I think it is that simple.
The real issue is - what freedoms do you want to restrict and what what do you think the government should be doing?
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The best comedy is when people are oblivious to their own absurdity. Those Berkleyites just haven't found their proper calling as starving comedians... heavy on the starving.
The Soviets used to send political opponents to mental institutions... so really, the Berkleyite head shrinkers are just getting in touch with their roots.
The Soviets used to send political opponents to mental institutions... so really, the Berkleyite head shrinkers are just getting in touch with their roots.
Rangerover
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rrader:
U of M '76-'80? Things were probably different back in "the day". I don't know if one can fix an exact date to when our public universities took the infamous "left turn", but it's virtually inescapable these days. There's no point in even attempting to learn history from a public university. You're better off going to the local library or buying some books and studying it yourself.
Unfortunately, the only thing that I learned at U.M. was that ALL white males are S.O.B.s and that someday we're gonna get our comeuppance for all the dasterdly deeds we've perpetrated against the poor, innocent, huddled masses, and that even though I've never owned a slave, deep down I really want to, etc., blah-blah-
Ah. We all know how the public university system is. No point beating that proverbial horse anymore.
U of M '76-'80? Things were probably different back in "the day". I don't know if one can fix an exact date to when our public universities took the infamous "left turn", but it's virtually inescapable these days. There's no point in even attempting to learn history from a public university. You're better off going to the local library or buying some books and studying it yourself.
Unfortunately, the only thing that I learned at U.M. was that ALL white males are S.O.B.s and that someday we're gonna get our comeuppance for all the dasterdly deeds we've perpetrated against the poor, innocent, huddled masses, and that even though I've never owned a slave, deep down I really want to, etc., blah-blah-
Ah. We all know how the public university system is. No point beating that proverbial horse anymore.
rrader
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Rangeover:
Maryland's State Government wasn't so far-left back then. We had Marvin Mandel and other Governors who were left of center but still sane.
I can recall sitting in on a Black studies class that met before my Soviet History class and being gratified to hear young black Americans challenge the Marxist South African Prof. on his anti-US, anti-CIA rants about US policy on Angola.
The big shift left at Univ. Maryland came in the late 80's when they switched to the University System of Maryland and stated publically that they wanted UM College Park to be the Berkley of the east, and immediately started tenuring left-wing extremists.
Maryland's State Government wasn't so far-left back then. We had Marvin Mandel and other Governors who were left of center but still sane.
I can recall sitting in on a Black studies class that met before my Soviet History class and being gratified to hear young black Americans challenge the Marxist South African Prof. on his anti-US, anti-CIA rants about US policy on Angola.
The big shift left at Univ. Maryland came in the late 80's when they switched to the University System of Maryland and stated publically that they wanted UM College Park to be the Berkley of the east, and immediately started tenuring left-wing extremists.
rrader
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Calling Hitler and Stalin Conservatives is more of the Big Lie technique used by the hard-left to run away from the bloody outcome of their political system in the past.
You have to at least give them credit for the astonishing size of the lie.
The authors of this "study" are merely playing semantic games by describing the statist, static behavior of any dictatorial system as resistance to change, i.e, "conservative" and making the leap of twisted logic to the conclusion that political "conservatives" all share this trait, and then the next leap of twisted logic to the conclusion that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al. were all political conservatives. What a load of B.S.
You have to at least give them credit for the astonishing size of the lie.
The authors of this "study" are merely playing semantic games by describing the statist, static behavior of any dictatorial system as resistance to change, i.e, "conservative" and making the leap of twisted logic to the conclusion that political "conservatives" all share this trait, and then the next leap of twisted logic to the conclusion that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al. were all political conservatives. What a load of B.S.
This was a 'meta-analysis'
of a bunch of psychological studies, then interpreted by the same sort of fools who did the original studies.
Beware meta-analysis of anything.
For an interesting response to this, see Jonah Goldberg on today's National Review Online. www.nationalreview.com
of a bunch of psychological studies, then interpreted by the same sort of fools who did the original studies.
Beware meta-analysis of anything.
For an interesting response to this, see Jonah Goldberg on today's National Review Online. www.nationalreview.com
WonderNine
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Oh my god.
Where does one start with this article?
Where does one start with this article?
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Monkeyleg
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"That view is reflected in the Indian caste system, South African apartheid and the conservative, segregationist politics of the late Sen. Strom Thurmond, the researchers wrote."
Interesting that they'd mention Thurmond--who disavowed his segregationist views--and not Democrat Lester Maddox, who went to his grave spewing hatred for blacks.
Interesting that they'd mention Thurmond--who disavowed his segregationist views--and not Democrat Lester Maddox, who went to his grave spewing hatred for blacks.
cuchulainn
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The Third Reich was all about *ahem* "change," and Hitler not only was tolerant of such *ahem* "change" -- he openly pursued the *ahem*"changes" he thought would make an ideal world.
BowStreetRunner
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"Conservatives don't feel the need to jump through complex, intellectual hoops in order to understand or justify some of their positions, he said, according to the Berkeley news release."
um, yeah, thats because we dont have to twist logic to come to our views
BSR
um, yeah, thats because we dont have to twist logic to come to our views
BSR
Mr. James
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rrader,
More spot-on words have rarely been typed. When the socialists ate their own, the hard-left lied about it, endlessly. Now, they're tying up loose ends. Big lie, indeed.
PATH
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I like Michael Savage' quote: "Liberalism is not so much a political ideaology as it is a form of mental illness".
Liberals don't brook dissent. You'll be attacked and they will start screaming at you and accuse you of some horrid phobia or hatred.
Just question a liberal Prof. and see what happens?
Liberals don't brook dissent. You'll be attacked and they will start screaming at you and accuse you of some horrid phobia or hatred.
Just question a liberal Prof. and see what happens?
Mark Tyson
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Psychoanalyzing an opponent's positions is a cheap shot. It is basically saying: "I don't need to consider your arguments because your arguments come from all these psychological conditions, and are obviously not logical."
Rangerover
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rrader:
Ahhh, that explains it. That coincides EXACTLY with the time when Iwas there, right after I E.T.S.ed from the Army.
Tenuring extremists? Exactly. I always wondered where they got some of the loons I ran into from. I guess they intentionally imported them. It's a shame, too. I was fortunate enough to get a FEW classes there that were among the most challenging and interesting I ever had. The instructors must have been leftovers from the old days. I do have some good memories. Then they went and ruined it in the name of ideology.
I transferred out and never went back. If you even looked like you might disagree with their leftist dogma they'd come down on you like the proverbial million pound craphammer. I don't know what they did with the few GOOD teachers I recall. Found a way to fire them or deny them tenure, I suppose. Or made them so miserable that they just left for friendlier climes.
Too bad. Thanks for the info; that solves something I'd been wondering about for years.
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How much is the registration fee at Beserkeley and how much of it goes to the research? Since tuition is free, you have to pay $$$$ to register for the classes....what a deal!!
At UCI, our tuition was $1518 a quarter, some of my classes were held in trailers while all the remodeling and construction had one lecture hall and the rest was dedicated to reasearch.
Research concludes that there is a widening gap between the rich and the poor and White people (except the professor) are bad....all this for Gray Davis' autograph :banghead:
At UCI, our tuition was $1518 a quarter, some of my classes were held in trailers while all the remodeling and construction had one lecture hall and the rest was dedicated to reasearch.
Research concludes that there is a widening gap between the rich and the poor and White people (except the professor) are bad....all this for Gray Davis' autograph :banghead:
shooten
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NRO
NRO has a great article that puts this "study" in perspective. Here's the link:
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg072403.asp
Scott
NRO has a great article that puts this "study" in perspective. Here's the link:
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg072403.asp
Scott
Partisan Ranger
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As Jonah Goldberg wrote today, 'conservative' has markedly different meanings depending on context. A 'conservative' Muslim cleric in Saudi Arabia hacks a woman's ears off for showing her face in public. A 'conservative' American generally espouses classicly liberal ideals, such as free markets, individual freedom, liberty, and the rule of law. I hold that an American 'conservative' is in actuality more interested in real change than the - gag - 'progressives' are.
Who wants to give people control over their retirement? Conservatives.
Who wants to dismantle the redistributionist tax system? Conservatives.
Who wants to crack down on terrorist savagery? Conservatives.
Who wants to give people control over their retirement? Conservatives.
Who wants to dismantle the redistributionist tax system? Conservatives.
Who wants to crack down on terrorist savagery? Conservatives.
longeyes
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"Psychoanalyzing an opponent's positions is a cheap shot. It is basically saying: 'I
don't need to consider your arguments because your arguments come from all
these psychological conditions, and are obviously not logical.'"
I think Mark Tyson is dead-on. We think they're nuts, they think we're
nuts. That's a non-starter. We need to stay on argument, on facts, and
rational. The premise of a Republic is that men are rational and
have free will. There's a totalitarian, autocratic streak to the
psychiatry politburo that disguises itself behind pseudo-scholarship and
"science."
don't need to consider your arguments because your arguments come from all
these psychological conditions, and are obviously not logical.'"
I think Mark Tyson is dead-on. We think they're nuts, they think we're
nuts. That's a non-starter. We need to stay on argument, on facts, and
rational. The premise of a Republic is that men are rational and
have free will. There's a totalitarian, autocratic streak to the
psychiatry politburo that disguises itself behind pseudo-scholarship and
"science."
Actually, Longeyes,
Conservatives just think libs are wrong. They're puzzled about how libs can come to the conclusions they do, but they don't think they're satanic. For example, pro-life conservatives on their wildest days don't say things like "Patricia Ireland wants every pregnancy in this country terminated."
Libs, on the other hand, don't just think Cons are wrong. They think we're sick. Evil. At least that's what their rhetoric says. As in TV ads linking Bush to those who drag blacks behind cars. As in DNC ads showing Bush pushing granny in her wheelchair off the carrier deck.
So no, it's not "they think we're nuts, we think they're nuts." What do you call it when Bush says we should cut taxes and Charles Rangel says "Before it was 'n***r' and 'sp*c', now they just say "Let's cut taxes'"?
You've got one thing right, pardner. It sure would be nice to have a real discussion of the issues.If only the Left would try it.
Conservatives just think libs are wrong. They're puzzled about how libs can come to the conclusions they do, but they don't think they're satanic. For example, pro-life conservatives on their wildest days don't say things like "Patricia Ireland wants every pregnancy in this country terminated."
Libs, on the other hand, don't just think Cons are wrong. They think we're sick. Evil. At least that's what their rhetoric says. As in TV ads linking Bush to those who drag blacks behind cars. As in DNC ads showing Bush pushing granny in her wheelchair off the carrier deck.
So no, it's not "they think we're nuts, we think they're nuts." What do you call it when Bush says we should cut taxes and Charles Rangel says "Before it was 'n***r' and 'sp*c', now they just say "Let's cut taxes'"?
You've got one thing right, pardner. It sure would be nice to have a real discussion of the issues.If only the Left would try it.
Partisan Ranger
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I would tend to agree that the left is quite a bit more ruthless than the right as far as demonizing the opponent. I always chuckle at the left shrieking about being labeled unpatriotic. Whether I think they are or not (I do), why do they get so wigged out about it? As a staunch conservative, I have my very humanity questioned by leftists because I think abortion is a nasty thing, think guns are a good thing, and want to keep my income to myself. And they snivel because someone says they're unpatriotic? Grow up. If you take a stand, have the courage to take the heat. Otherwise, shut up.
Marko Kloos
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It's simple debating psychology. You seek to claim the moral high ground by tagging your opponent as something that is commonly seen as immoral.
"Sure, he says he wants to cut taxes, but he's a white male Republican, and therefore a racist. Since he's a racist, can we believe anything he says?"
"My client did not rob that store. Besides, the only witness lives in a trailer park and earns money as a prostitute, so what does that make her?"
Unfortunately, Conservatives have discovered their own variant of this technique when it comes to dismissing arguments:
"You're just being Politically Correct!"
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