Considering swapping CW9 for Bersa CC.

[Orion8472]

I have a Kahr CW9 that I am considering trading for a Bersa CC. There are strong and weak points for both. I appreciate your input.

The Kahr shoots 9mm [which is said to be a better defensive round than .380acp]. 7+1 capacity compared to the 8+1 of the Bersa. Both have a flat profile. The slide of the Kahr, specifically the back part, isn't nearly as concealable as the Bersa's with it's bobbed hammer and "forward swept" design. The kahr has the possibility of putting night sights on, if that is worth the time and money. The sights on the Bersa are very short, but is less to get snagged. Finally, practicing with .380 is more expensive than 9mm. Price of the Bersa is about $100 less.

As for the "less capable .380acp", if you do your part [shot placement], the round can still be effective. . . . . and no handgun caliber is "magical".

Thanks for you input.

 

[momano]

I'd stay with the Kahr!
1. 9mm is a better round
2. Kahr is 7 oz. lighter
Good luck!

 

[JDGray]

After years of looking for an accurate, slim, reliable, comfortable IWB carry gun, I now carry a CW9.

Don't throw all my time away for a Bersa!!

You can if you want, but the CW9 is what I've found to work best for me...

 

[usp9]

I didn't read any overwhelming reason to switch. I'd stay with the Kahr.

 

[outerlimit]

Trade a Kahr 9mm for a Bersa .380?

Haha

Sounds like you're just bored with the Kahr more than anything, that's when people make dumb trades. And a .380 will likely ruin someone's day, but it's not a round that I would trust to get the job done. Even a 9x19mm out of a short barrel is quite a bit better than a .380. Also, .380 is often more expensive than 9 and you'll have to buy that round instead.

 

[Orion8472]

The plus characteristics for the Bersa is 1 more available rounds and a slide design that makes it more concealable [thought granted, not a LOT more]. I was also thinking it is better to have the DA/SA design in some cases. It isn't as though I was bored with the kahr. I was just mostly considering the concealability level. I know, . . . probably not a good reason to switch.

FYI . . . my considering this switch is just acedemic in nature.

 

[harmon rabb]

If you're concerned about the concealability of a CW9, you're doing it wrong. With a halfway decent holster you should be able to conceal it under a t-shirt. That's a really bad reason to get rid of the CW9.

Now, if you prefer DA/SA, and value an extra round over better ballistics, then those would be rational reasons to ditch the Kahr for the Bersa.

 

[Pukindog12]

Bersa is nowhere near the quality or craftsmanship of a Kahr product.

That's a fairly bold statement to make IMO. I'd be reluctant to state that. I own both a Bersa Thunder 9UC Pro and a Kahr CW9.

The CW9 I bought had 200 rounds through it already so it was already broken in and I haven't had a problem yet. It will be my dominant warm weather EDC. But the Kahr manual states to allow for a 200 round break in period to allow for reliable function. There are numerous statements on many gun forums that people have problems during the break in period and some still after.

The 9UC I bought was second hand also. But it was LNIB unfired. I am the one that put the first shots through the pistol excluding the test round at the factory. No break in period. I have put hundreds of rounds through it with nary a problem. And this is my primary cold weather EDC.

Both pistols are excellent for their intended purpose. Mine have been 100% reliable and accurate. The Kahr may look cleaner and refined, but trust me, as far as quality and craftsmanship, both are damn near equal.

 

[usp9]

After three Bersa Thunders and seven Kahrs, I'd not hesitate to say which is a higher quality firearm. Stick with your Kahr.

 

[Orion8472]

I can do well hiding it under an untucked button down shirt, but am more concerned with summer carry. T-shirts don't have the same concealability. I COULD wear the next size up, but I don't want to look sloppy just so I can conceal a gun.

As for Bersa quality, . . . it may not be the same as Kahr, but how much "worse" can it be? I was looking at the all silver CC and the fit seemed very good.

True, the 9mm is a better round than the .380acp. . . . but again, most handgun rounds require shot placement.

Again, I haven't made any decisions and appreciate the discussion.

 

[Scimmia]

As for the "less capable .380acp", if you do your part [shot placement], the round can still be effective. . . . . and no handgun caliber is "magical".

A 22lr will be effective with the right shot placement, too, doesn't mean I want to carry one. The fact is that 380 ACP only has half the muzzle energy of 9mm Luger. That's not something to just dismiss.

 

[sheepdog96]

I really like the Bersa but I will never trade my CW9 for one. The CW9 has been my perfect carry weapon, it hides well under everything. Its extremely light and low profile. I do admit I have my carrying my M&P9c lately over the CW9 because we got some colder weather here which allows me to hide the M&P much better. Once it warms back up I will go back to the CW9.

The Bersa could fill the spot of a good backup gun but I could not replace the CW9 with it. Good luck!

 

[xXxplosive]

We have the CW9 and like it alot.............light weight, very concielable and dependable.

 

[Ed4032]

I have both and switch back and forth. Both are great guns. I can put the Bersa in my jeans pocket and easily pull it out. The Kahr can do the same but not so easily. I vote you get both.

 

[777TRUTH]

Love the Bersa, not a fan of the .380 cartridge or Kahr in general.

 

[group17]

Why trade the Bersa is an under $300 pistol. Keep them both.

 

[franco45]

I currently own a Bersa Thunder 380 and a Firestorm 22lr. They are great little guns. Having said that I used to own a 380 CC but sold it when I got my CW9. I carry either the CW9 or my CM9 regularly. I like my Bersas but love my Kahrs.

 

[hardluk1]

orion do you relies that the CC you want is the same lenght ,the same hieght and the cw9 is thinner. Even the weight is about the same with in one oz.

I have both a kahr cm9 and a cw9 My daughter carries a bersa thunder 380 for one reason only ,she does not yet like the recoil of the 9mm. If pocket carried the cm9 is way better and use's the mags from the cw9 for backs ups. If you IWB carry your kahr in a 1:30 to 2:30 position and the way the receiver is made has zero affect on it showing. Most any gun has less chance of printing and you can do anything with it in that location with these size pistols. With your IWb on the rear side most all pistols can print if you bend over.

Ammo cost more for the 380 with fewer choices. Theres nothing wrong with bersa's quality but you are tradeing down. Really down. Sure recoil aint a problem for you? Kahr does have 8 shot mags too and can be used at the range or backup if the length is a concern . Keep your kahr ,you will reget getting rid of it. Buy a CM9 for pocket carry or even more concealed IWB

 

[gym]

Whatever fit's you better, and your moe comfortable with is the best choice

 

[Jbabbler]

I own both guns. For carry, I can't tell the difference. Shooting them side by side I shoot the BP9cc more accurately. In the end though, I like the simplicity of the the CW9 better. I cannot stand the magazine disconnect on the Bersa. I like that the Bersa uses easy to find night sights (Glock rear, Sig front). I also like the ergos of the gun but find the trigger to be too gritty for my taste. I do think the gun will be a great seller but I wouldn't trade out of a CW9 for one.

 

[Dnaltrop]

Could get the .45 ACP Ultra compact Bersa instead of the .380.

Tell me how it shoots, My LGS's one is teasing me while I've been shopping for the kids.

If bored, you can always save up and have both, but no reason to abandon the Kahr really.

Unless you really just want to, and can't logically articulate it beyond "I feel like a change" . That is perfectly alright too.

 

[Orion8472]

I guess I will let things stand as they are now. I would like to experiment on ways that may prove more concealable, especially in T-Shirt weather. Right now, I do the 3:00 carry position.

 

[Ala Dan]

Another vote for the Kahr~!

 

[saturno_v]

I prefer the 9mm cartridge over the 380 so I would vote for the Kahr only for thsi reason..

The Thunder 380 is a very nice little pistol.

As far as trading down between Kahr and Bersa....in finishing...maybe a little bit....as far as fit or quality, it is just people imagination...Bersas are wonderful pistols...

 

[Jbabbler]

I prefer the 9mm cartridge over the 380 so I would vote for the Kahr only for thsi reason..

The Thunder 380 is a very nice little pistol.

As far as trading down between Kahr and Bersa....in finishing...maybe a little bit....as far as fit or quality, it is just people imagination...Bersas are wonderful pistols...

The BP9cc is a 9mm

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