Sam Cade
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Convincing my Mom that it's okay for me to OC
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Autolycus
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Being an open carry warrior is not for everyone. Perhaps waiting until you move out is the better option. This way your mom will not really have any right to say anything. When I was younger someone heard I was into guns and broke into my home looking for them, but that is another story for another thread. Either way why push the issue with your parents when you can avoid it in a month?
Sav .250
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She`s your mother .....she`s concerned about you.
Your 23 ..........this is not a committee vote. Man up.
Your 23 ..........this is not a committee vote. Man up.
cambeul41
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Here is a good discussion of openly carrying:
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-carry-discussion/7230-open-carry-argument.html
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-carry-discussion/7230-open-carry-argument.html
Sam Cade said:
It actually backed up the story, which surprised me - I didn't think anyone was that dumb!
Personally, I'd weigh the pros/cons of each. OC and CC have benefits and drawbacks. How likely is it that you'll end up in a situation, based on where you live? Will the extra time it takes to get a gun out of CC plus the deterrent effect outweigh the attention from the public OC gets you? I don't know - I live in TX, not WA, but I've never seen someone OC in my town. My area is very safe, so I don't CC or OC... ah suburbia, where I stand as much chance of getting mugged as being attacked by a polar bear.
Bubbles
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Your mother is your mother. Mothers worry. It's what we do well.
My husband just turned 40. His mother still bugs him about riding a motorcycle "because it's dangerous!"
If you want to OC, OC, but do it wisely.
If you don't want your mom to bug you about it, don't mention it to her again.
My husband just turned 40. His mother still bugs him about riding a motorcycle "because it's dangerous!"
If you want to OC, OC, but do it wisely.
If you don't want your mom to bug you about it, don't mention it to her again.
NavyLCDR
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=AlexanderA said:
So, you are speaking from experience as a person who does/has open carried? I've experienced just the opposite... everything from an 18 year old girl asking about the gun and wishing that she did not have to wait to 21 to be able to protect herself, to people askng about it in fast food places/convenience stores and grocery stores who leave with a positive image and education about carrying a gun, to simple thumbs up from people I pass in parking lots.
As I stated earlier, most of my negative comments have come from "pro-2a" concealed carry only snobs looking down their nose at me. I was in Jack in the Box and a guy looked down his nose at me. He said, "I carry mine concealed." (Nasty tone of voice). I replied, "You are doing it very well." He said, "What do you mean?" I said, "I know you have a gun." I was in Kentucky Fried Chicken (starting to see a pattern here?) when a guy told me I should cover my gun with my jacket because it might scare people who didn't know it was illegal, even though he was the only one in the place who seemed to even notice the gun, let alone show concern about it.
My 15 year old step-daughter says, "Dad, tell them that you have no reason to hide your gun because you aren't a criminal." I had a girlfriend that liked to say, "I would rather be with a man that carries a gun on his belt for protection then one who carries a condom in his wallet for protection."
I say live and let live, if you want to concealed carry, that's fine. If you have your own reasons for doing so, that's fine. What I take issue with is people who state theories as fact without any evidence or statistical history to back up their theories.
Dnaltrop
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@ Danb1215
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY&feature=related
This discussion.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=573860
Anything else you need Neighbor? was just a Google search away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY&feature=related
This discussion.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=573860
Anything else you need Neighbor? was just a Google search away.
mortablunt
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It's natural for mothers to worry. If they didn't the number of children reaching adulthood and reproducing would be lower. Be thankful that your mother cares enough to be worried for your safety.
Ringo, I am not quick to get into fights. I was in middle school, but now I am more the E&E type. I carry for when that fails.
Mist, I said it in the OP - I'll carry regardless of what my mother thinks, but I also want my mother to be okay with it.
As to the element of surprise...I very much agree with the idea that I'd rather deter an attack than be able to respond to one with the element of surprise.
Youngda, thanks for backing me up, although my parents still have some say in what I do until I am able to move out next month. Oh, that's going to be an interesting experience.
Mist, I said it in the OP - I'll carry regardless of what my mother thinks, but I also want my mother to be okay with it.
As to the element of surprise...I very much agree with the idea that I'd rather deter an attack than be able to respond to one with the element of surprise.
Youngda, thanks for backing me up, although my parents still have some say in what I do until I am able to move out next month. Oh, that's going to be an interesting experience.
mgmorden
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You are your own person, but also consider the ramifications of your decisions. My relationship with my family IS my life. If I were to alienate myself from them I would no longer have need of a gun to defend myself, as I wouldn't even care to go on.
Try to convince your mother, but be reasonable too. It sounds like she's not anti-gun, or even anti-carry, just anti open carry. If it keeps the peace, you might just CC - at least when she'll be around.
I'm a bit lucky in that my family isn't anti at all. They're a bit uneasy around handguns, but just because they are unfamiliar with them (they are mostly into guns from a hunting perspective). The only hurdle I had to overcome was when they found out that my carry-weapon has no safety.
Try to convince your mother, but be reasonable too. It sounds like she's not anti-gun, or even anti-carry, just anti open carry. If it keeps the peace, you might just CC - at least when she'll be around.
I'm a bit lucky in that my family isn't anti at all. They're a bit uneasy around handguns, but just because they are unfamiliar with them (they are mostly into guns from a hunting perspective). The only hurdle I had to overcome was when they found out that my carry-weapon has no safety.
hermannr
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Hej Skribs! I have been OC in WA state for over 40 years. (east side and west side of the mountains)
What Navy says is correct. Get your CPL so you do not have to unload when you get in a vehicle. Other than that, you should be fine.
Personally, I have had only one encounter with the police, it lasted a whole two words, one from him, one word response from me. Oh yes, I did have one other encounter, the "local" (20 miles) CoP asked me if I was going to join their gun club.
I have also had one time where my OC came into play in a bad situation. The young man that was yelling and screaming at me that he was going to beat me up, open the door of my car and was getting ready to try drag me out so we could fight (I am not a fighter, I am an old man) took one look at my holster and decided he had other things to do. The gun never left the holster.
You cannot get cited for "display" if the gun never leaves the holster.
If you act no differently than if you are wearing a hat, or carrying a cell phone, most people do not even notice. The one thing you do want is a retention holster so your carry does not fall out. IMHO. we carry to prevent crime, not so we can shoot someone. Criminals do not like to deal with those that can defend themselves and will look for easier victims elsewhere and not bother the OCer
What Navy says is correct. Get your CPL so you do not have to unload when you get in a vehicle. Other than that, you should be fine.
Personally, I have had only one encounter with the police, it lasted a whole two words, one from him, one word response from me. Oh yes, I did have one other encounter, the "local" (20 miles) CoP asked me if I was going to join their gun club.
I have also had one time where my OC came into play in a bad situation. The young man that was yelling and screaming at me that he was going to beat me up, open the door of my car and was getting ready to try drag me out so we could fight (I am not a fighter, I am an old man) took one look at my holster and decided he had other things to do. The gun never left the holster.
You cannot get cited for "display" if the gun never leaves the holster.
If you act no differently than if you are wearing a hat, or carrying a cell phone, most people do not even notice. The one thing you do want is a retention holster so your carry does not fall out. IMHO. we carry to prevent crime, not so we can shoot someone. Criminals do not like to deal with those that can defend themselves and will look for easier victims elsewhere and not bother the OCer
longdayjake
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Here is my personal opinion on open carry. I find that most of the people that do it are just trying to make a statement. Protests and statements almost never accomplish anything but general discord or gaining some negative attention.
When I am in public where I want to carry a firearm, I carry it concealed because I don't want anyone to know that I am armed. When I go hunting I carry OC because it is more comfortable and convenient.
You can do what you want, but I personally feel it is unwise to draw attention to yourself when you are armed.
When I am in public where I want to carry a firearm, I carry it concealed because I don't want anyone to know that I am armed. When I go hunting I carry OC because it is more comfortable and convenient.
You can do what you want, but I personally feel it is unwise to draw attention to yourself when you are armed.
Longday, that is actually the main purpose of OC for me, along with deterrence. If protests and statements never made any difference, Rosa Parks wouldn't be a hero.
And for everyone suggesting I get my CPL, I already have it! Got it before I bought my first gun.
And for everyone suggesting I get my CPL, I already have it! Got it before I bought my first gun.
NavyLCDR
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Dnaltrop said:
First, is there any evidence that he was attacked because of his gun? Second, at that time, open carry was the only legal way to carry a gun in Wisconsin, so would it be better to be unarmed? Third, would concealed carry have changed anything in that incident? The victim is already facing an armed robber, what does the victim with the concealed carry gun do, try to play Wild Bill and quick draw on the armed criminal?
Finally:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw
Now the score is tied.
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Its either suprise the criminal who has already started the attack or deter that criminal from attacking you completely.
hermannr
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Most of the argument I have heard against OC are based on fear. The carrier is afraid of an official confrontation (in WA and ID that is rare, but does happen), they "don't want to disturb other people", and Probably tend to be private people (What is my business, is mine alone). If you are nervous about OC, don't, that is fine...but don't make up stories and fantasies to try justify not doing so.
I am a very private person myself, but I also think a lot of people need to be educated, OC is perfectly legal, and if that bothers you, why does it not bother you that the police OC all the time? Another good reason has been stated already: it is more comfortable, by far, especially in summer.
I also personally convinced that an OC arm is a deterant to crime. Most criminals are just wimpy bullies, and like all wimpy bullies they do not want to have done to them, what they would do to you. They will generally go look for easy pickings when they see you have a means available to resist.
I had Polio when I was young, and I have recovered better than most, (I can walk now) but even then, I completed my first jumping jack execise when I was in grade 12. I know what it is like to not be able to do what others can with easy...you think that might make me a target?...not when they can see my holstered sidearm and know I can resist.
I am a very private person myself, but I also think a lot of people need to be educated, OC is perfectly legal, and if that bothers you, why does it not bother you that the police OC all the time? Another good reason has been stated already: it is more comfortable, by far, especially in summer.
I also personally convinced that an OC arm is a deterant to crime. Most criminals are just wimpy bullies, and like all wimpy bullies they do not want to have done to them, what they would do to you. They will generally go look for easy pickings when they see you have a means available to resist.
I had Polio when I was young, and I have recovered better than most, (I can walk now) but even then, I completed my first jumping jack execise when I was in grade 12. I know what it is like to not be able to do what others can with easy...you think that might make me a target?...not when they can see my holstered sidearm and know I can resist.
CountryUgly
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IMO It doesn't matter if you OC or CC just as long as you carry, you never know when you could be looking down the barrel at an armed robber and and the eternal question arises "Where's my gun?" I know the chances of ever having to bring your firearm into battery in our mundane civilian lives are actually slim but the threat is there ( drawing from own personal experience ). So do yourself, your family and the teenage mommy standing in line behind you at the local pizza shop a favor and practice relentlessly, slam home a magazine chamber a round and drop that 500 dollar insurance policy in your waistband. Whether you let your shirt cover the grips or not is your choice just as long as it's there.
zfk55
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+1 for Rinoloevio.
Reading between the lines in your OP, it really seems that you're not ready to carry. Find a very qualified instructor for CC first. Go though the course and really pay attention to the psychological part of it, and I'm hoping your instructor would do that.
Carrying open or concealed means the very first confrontational decison you make will determine where you spend the rest of your life. This is far too important to be getting all of your advice or direction on a firearms forum.
Reading between the lines in your OP, it really seems that you're not ready to carry. Find a very qualified instructor for CC first. Go though the course and really pay attention to the psychological part of it, and I'm hoping your instructor would do that.
Carrying open or concealed means the very first confrontational decison you make will determine where you spend the rest of your life. This is far too important to be getting all of your advice or direction on a firearms forum.
hermannr
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Get a black holster, no-one will notice if you wear all black.
Dnaltrop
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Breathe NavyLCDR, He asked for one example... One was easily in reach, both in the news and the discussion on our own board. I OC myself when I'm at home, in my car... Or outside of Portland and the metro area where it's not a hassle.
The score is hardly even, with the wealth of prevented crime by OC'ers... ONE example of a situation where it drew attention to himself hardly puts the one example I put forth "ahead" by any rationale.
The score is hardly even, with the wealth of prevented crime by OC'ers... ONE example of a situation where it drew attention to himself hardly puts the one example I put forth "ahead" by any rationale.
ZFK, that is what my Dad suggested - that I take a class first. I will probably do that. However, I do CC all the time, and I have had a couple of times where flags start going off in my mind, but not quite alarm bells. While "I'm armed" was in the back of my mind in case things got hairy, I wasn't reacting rashly.
Hermann, I lol'd. Especially because I have the all-black variant. I'm not goth or emo or anything, I just feel most comfortable with the color black.
Hermann, I lol'd. Especially because I have the all-black variant. I'm not goth or emo or anything, I just feel most comfortable with the color black.
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