Cook County guns and ammo tax, struck down by Illinois Supreme Court, is back on the books for now

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Anything Lori Lightbrain and Kim Foxx can do to hose the law abiding citizens of Crook County. :cuss:

Hopefully it’ll go back up and be struck down as an unfair tax that is limiting the exercise of a Constitutional Right by disenfranchising poor people (aka a “Poll Tax”).

Stay safe.
 
No matter where you live in the US, if you aren't constantly stocking up for what is coming in the future you have your head in the sand. Anyone in Cook County that didn't stock up before this tax went into effect/back into effect had their head in the sand. Anyone in other areas in the US that didn't' stock up while ammo was cheap and firearms were plentiful between the Sandy Hook Draught and the pandemic was either in denial or had their head in the sand.
 
Anything Lori Lightbrain and Kim Foxx can do to hose the law abiding citizens of Crook County. :cuss:

Hopefully it’ll go back up and be struck down as an unfair tax that is limiting the exercise of a Constitutional Right by disenfranchising poor people (aka a “Poll Tax”).

Stay safe.

You realize that these people are only the face put on the problem itself, not the actual problem.

I've looked at the election choices the people of Chicago and Illinois are given for political offices...virtually ALL of the choices for nearly any given office are Democrat. Any other candidates are, at best, described as "token".

So pretty much any way you roll the 20 sided D&D die, it always comes up "Democrat".
 
I hope I live long enough to see some type of sanction that can be applied to politicians who do this. It is really troubling that the court provided the recipe for this evasion. When there is enough data to show that almost none of those who paid this tax inflicted the violence that is claimed, the court will be in the position of trying to defend the erroneous theory it recommended. Once again we will see the bob and weave instead of legitimate determination of the issue at hand.
 
You realize that these people are only the face put on the problem itself, not the actual problem.

I've looked at the election choices the people of Chicago and Illinois are given for political offices...virtually ALL of the choices for nearly any given office are Democrat. Any other candidates are, at best, described as "token".

So pretty much any way you roll the 20 sided D&D die, it always comes up "Democrat".
Of course I do, I live that nightmare every day. :fire:

I am still trying to figure out how a city of 750,000 absolutely controls a state of 42 million, as San Francisco and all of its idiocy has had us senators Feinstein and former senators boxer and (now VP) Harris along with speaker Pelosi running our federal representation for decades, the governors for the last 10 years are either a former SF mayor (newsom) or Oakland mayor (jerry brown) and (before term limits) the long time speaker of the assembly (then later the sf mayor) willie brown, and, for good measure, the 9th circuit court of appeals is based in sf.

Certified liberal wing nuts every one. :eek:

This state is almost all red when you look at the 58-county voting numbers, but the major populous areas run roughshod over the rest of us, too.

I guess I’ll just keep paying $5.00 a gallon (and rising) for gas until my wife finally gets it and we move away. :(

Stay safe.
 
I am still trying to figure out how a city of 750,000 absolutely controls a state of 42 million, as San Francisco and all of its idiocy has had us senators Feinstein and former senators boxer and (now VP) Harris along with speaker Pelosi running our federal representation for decades, the governors for the last 10 years are either a former SF mayor (newsom) or Oakland mayor (jerry brown) and (before term limits) the long time speaker of the assembly (then later the sf mayor) willie brown, and, for good measure, the 9th circuit court of appeals is based in sf.

Dont forget that SCOTUS Breyer is ex SF.

Feinstein was also mayor of SF.

Pat Brown was SF DA then CA govenor which lead to Jerry Browns illustrious career.

You didn't mention that Newsom and Pelosi are related by marriage.

Nor the connection between the Pelosi's Newsom's, Pat/Jerry Brown and the Getty family

Nor did you mention the Willie Brown / VP Harris scandalous & salacious connection which started unqualified Harris's political career.


Anywho, good luck with the wife. Mine finally came around for the 2nd and last time.
 
riomouse911 has once again pointed out:

"This state is almost all red when you look at the 58-county voting numbers, but the major populous areas run roughshod over the rest of us, too."

True of most blue States.

And once again, I am crying in the wilderness:

If we could only force an electoral college-like system for State issues. But try that with the present power-balance system.

The die is cast; the Fix is in.
 
Dont forget that SCOTUS Breyer is ex SF.

Feinstein was also mayor of SF.

Pat Brown was SF DA then CA govenor which lead to Jerry Browns illustrious career.

You didn't mention that Newsom and Pelosi are related by marriage.

Nor the connection between the Pelosi's Newsom's, Pat/Jerry Brown and the Getty family

Nor did you mention the Willie Brown / VP Harris scandalous & salacious connection which started unqualified Harris's political career.


Anywho, good luck with the wife. Mine finally came around for the 2nd and last time.
You’re right, I could’ve gone on for several paragraphs outlining the incestuous relationships that have led to decades of power held by a select few families in Ca with a nexus to SF… ones that are much less obvious but more sinister than the Criminal Cuomo Cabal that’s falling apart before our eyes in NY or the Daley Machine that ran Chicago for so long.. but I didn’t. ;)

Stay safe.
 
riomouse911 has once again pointed out:

"This state is almost all red when you look at the 58-county voting numbers, but the major populous areas run roughshod over the rest of us, too."

True of most blue States.

And once again, I am crying in the wilderness:

If we could only force an electoral college-like system for State issues. But try that with the present power-balance system.

The die is cast; the Fix is in.

Yes, it is but in North Carolina it’s reversed. Democrats running for the House of Representatives got more than half the votes, two elections in a row. That got them three out of thirteen seats. When the Republican who oversaw the drawing up of the voting districts was asked about why Democrats only got three seats with the majority of the votes, he literally responded with, “Because we couldn’t figure out how to draw the lines so they only got two.” As far as I’m concerned, neither party has any interest in anything but personal power. They sure don’t care about Democracy.
 
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^,^^

Will they tax short barreled shotguns to punish bootleggers?

Will they tax suppressors to punish bank robbers?

Ha-ha-ha. But I almost wax too political for this site.

ETA: That two hundred bucks tax stamp from 1934 would be $2600 in today's money, figuring a mere 3% inflation rate for 87 years. So "only" two hundred bucks today for a tax stamp nowadays is not a mere pittance. They really intended to abrogate the meaning of the Second Amendment by the power to tax.

I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it.
 
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The answer to the tax questions is:

"They will tax whatever they can in a never ending quest to extract more money from the people to facilitate more government spending."

"Sin taxes" are not about curbing behavior...never have been, never will be. They're about generating revenue.
I find it interesting that corrupt thugs with personal security details consider self-defense by others a "sin".
 
I find it interesting that corrupt thugs with personal security details consider self-defense by others a "sin".

I was heading in the same direction to ask: "So NFA34 was purely to generate revenue?"

No offence, but I question the context and source of the quote:

" 'They will tax whatever they can in a never ending quest to extract more money from the people to facilitate more government spending.' " [sup][Citation needed][/sup]

While the statement is generally true on its own, it does not exhaust the possible reasons for any particular tax scheme, including managing / regulating a situation.

I submit that in the tenor of the times ( e.g. recent Valentine's day massacre (1929), Bonne and Clyde's escapades (to 1934) and their assortment of weapons), the anti-gun legislators decided they couldn't just ban weapons because of 2A, but they could tax them to death, Perhaps a bit of crystal-balling on my part, but I think it would be hard to counter that statement. The nowadays equivalent of $2,617.39 for a $200 tax stamp was not chump change 87 years ago.,

Terry, 230RN
 
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No offence, but I question the context and source of the quote:

" 'They will tax whatever they can in a never ending quest to extract more money from the people to facilitate more government spending.' " [sup][Citation needed][/sup]

While the statement is generally true on its own, it does not exhaust the possible reasons for any particular tax scheme, including managing / regulating a situation

The source of the quote is me. The quotation marks was to make it stand out as an answer to the question I was referring to.

And no offense is taken...I'm always down for clarification.

Of course there MAY be other reasons to levy taxes. Or to impose laws or regulations.

But even so, those other "reasons" all have at their heart the exertion of power and authority over people.

Because that is the explicit reason for government.

Government has long been described as a "necessary evil". Thomas Paine talked about this in his book "Common Sense":

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

Government is a necessary evil specifically because it's empowered to make and enforce the rules by which societies (groups of people) exist and interact.

To that end, some things are obviously necessary. Common rules and laws governing what is and is not acceptable behavior must be established.

You can't, for instance, allow people to go around killing each other for any old reason. Malum in se laws (laws about this which are considered intrinsically evil...robbery, murder, assault, arson, rape, etc.) are written concerning these.

Then there are malum prohibitum laws (things that are wrong only because there is a law saying its wrong). There are lots of necessary laws that fall under this category. Many traffic laws fall under this category... which side of the street to drive on, speed limits, traffic signs, etc. What side of the street one drives on is not "intrinsically evil". However, if you want to promote the general welfare and safety of the people, a common set of rules/laws governing motorized traffic is necessary.

The same can be said about taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil as well, and they should serve a legitimate purpose.

But ALL of these things ARE expressions of the power and authority of the government over the people...good or bad.

I object to the continual giving of more and more power/authority to the government and the continual erosion/removal of the rights and liberties of the people.

History shows that governments do not willingly give up power and authority. In fact, often times such cases where they do amounts to smoke and mirrors wherein it seems they dry, but actually shift things around slyly such that the government again comes out on top.

How often are budget issues dealt with by reduction or elimination of expenses as opposed to increasing taxes, debt ceiling, and spending?

Taxation is about power and control. Because that's what government does.
 
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But even so, those other "reasons" ask have at their heart the exertion of power and authority over people.

Ayup. That's why I say the essential function of government is to limit freedoms. You call them lawmakers and they get together and --guess what? -- they make laws.

I could never track down the source of this quote for sure but I think it was Will Durant: "All governments trend toward tyranny."

But if an overriding law of the land says don't make laws about guns, the tax angle must be a dishonest subterfuge to regulate something that's not supposed to be regulated.

Just as it is with the Cook County law at the center of this discussion.

It, the NFA34, sure wasn't for income generation to my wrinkled little brain, it was to burden the transfer of firearms. After all, the $2,637.39 (today's dollars) of NFA34 ain't chicken feed.

Thanks for your answer, which covers a lot of our favorite theories, but I myself would refrain from using quotes to emphasize one's own thoughts. I think it would be misleading without attribution.

I am starting to prefer underlining for emphasis since it follows through the Board quotation system.

Thanks again for your viewpoints.

Terry. 230RN

Edited to add "the NFA34" and "(today's dollars)" for clarification.
 
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It sure wasn't for income generation in my wrinkled little brain, it was to burden the transfer of firearms. After all, the $2,637.39 of NFA34 ain't chicken feed.
In general, any tax on firearms, other than a common sales tax, is overwhelmingly likely to have the same motivation as a poll tax, namely to impede the exercise of a fundamental right, either of voting or the right to keep and bear arms. This is almost always intended to handicap the exercise of said right by the "wrong" people.
 
I generally agree, but note that the purpose of the Pittman-Robertson excise tax on firearms is to support range and habitat development, firearms training and instruction, and to benefit shooting sports. Non game species also benefit from the habitat enhancement. This is a case of a pre-existing 11 percent excise tax being modified to actually benefit the users, and is a rare bright light in the use of taxation.
 
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