Cops and Armed Citizens

[gearchecker]

There is currently an attempt to eliminate the Concealed Weapons License here in idaho.
The biggest proponant of this amendment are the LEO's and their law enforcement groups.
If the LEO's don't want people carrying without manditory training and permitting, it's going to be very difficult to see that ever happen.

My permit is attached to my DL. It makes it very easy for them to connect my DL to my vehicle. I was pulled over recently, and the first question after the LEO the radio call and came up to my window was, "Do you have a loaded weapon in the car?"
Untill I had my CWL I was never asked that question.

In the past year I've been pulled over 3 times for different reasons and I always get asked that question now. Coincidence? I don't think so. I was carrying on all 3 occasions. Never hassled about carrying, they just wanted to know, where I had it in the vehicle and they all asked me why I was carrying. My answers were based on the immediate reason that I was carrying, not that I carry because I'm allowed to do so.

 

[Libertatem]

My answers were based on the immediate reason that I was carrying, not that I carry because I'm allowed to do so.

I would likely say the same, but it should suffice that we are allowed to do so.

 

[Jimineer]

It's harder to get a ham radio license than it is to get a CCW. Sure would hate to run across some ham blasting out too many dB's without any training.....why is it so hard to accept someone having to demonstrate even a basic knowledge of handgun safety before being licensed to carry?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Libertatem,
In response to your question about how open carry is accepted in WA... I have found about 95% don'g notice or don't care, 4% like it andx will thank you, 1% don't like it and 1% of that 1% will call the cops.

Jimineer,
There is nothing wrong with getting training to carry a gun. But, let's look at Texas. In order to carry a handgun for protection a person MUST pay for training and then pay the state for a license. Now tell me how that fulfills shall not be infringed in the second amendment.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Libertatem,
In response to your question about how open carry is accepted in WA... I have found about 95% don'g notice or don't care, 4% like it andx will thank you, 1% don't like it and 1% of that 1% will call the cops.

Jimineer,
There is nothing wrong with getting training to carry a gun. But, let's look at Texas. In order to carry a handgun for protection a person MUST pay for training and then pay the state for a license. Now tell me how that fulfills shall not be infringed in the second amendment.

 

[TexasRifleman]

It's harder to get a ham radio license than it is to get a CCW. Sure would hate to run across some ham blasting out too many dB's without any training.....why is it so hard to accept someone having to demonstrate even a basic knowledge of handgun safety before being licensed to carry?

Because there is no Constitutional amendment protecting the right to keep and bear a radio.

 

[valorius]

And, yet, it happens, and a negative response from Philadelphia's finest would likely garner a far more than equal and opposite reaction in the courts.

I seriously doubt that it happens. If i -ever- see anyone open carrying here, i will take a picture and note the date. So far, in over 12,000 days, i've never seen it once.

Thanks for the correction on Pittsburgh not being a city of the first class.

 

[BullfrogKen]

valorius,


Where are you getting your facts from? Do you even live here in Pennsylvania?

 

[EFR]

As a 22 year police veteran I can, without doubt, state that the vast majority of police officers (at least in Mass.), either don't mind, or, are in favor of CCW. My experience has been that the majority of police officers are non shooters, but a sizeable percentage are shooters themselves. I have only observed a few, as in under 4 or 5 police officers, that have ever expressed what would be considered anti gun statements. I would think this compares favorably to almost any other profession in America. I don't know many other places of employment where if an employee brought in a new AR, AK, HK, S&W, Sig, Remington..... that it wouldn't be universally looked at, handled, and commented about. How many different guns are sitting on the table in the chow hall at your place of employment every week?

Now I don't know if this mentality is because in Mass, in order to have an unrestricted CCW permit, your record must be close to spotless, or because the legal guns are never the problem guns.

One thing I would like to remind folks, there is a big difference between your rank and file police officers, the ones actually doing the job, versus the department heads; chiefs, commissioners, etc. All too many chiefs are only there because they are politicians, and as politicians, they say what they are either told to say, or what they believe will further their career.

A year or two ago there were multiple armed robberies committed by a pair in the central part of the state. These two criminals held up a liquor store one night in a large city and pointed a handgun at the clerks brother. The clerk shot and killed the subject with a legally owned, licensed handgun (the clerk was not born in the U.S. either, but was at the time a citizen I believe). That was the talk of town for quite a while-every, absolutely every cop that talked about it was pleased with the outcome. What happened? The chief of the city went on record as saying that it was a tragedy and that private citizens should not be taking the law in their own hands. Although he did not speak for any of the rank and file, what message was relayed to the citizens?

 

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by rainbowbob:

By CraigC:
What is sad is how many cops think that we should give up our liberties just to make their jobs easier.

Do you have any basis for that opinion?

Just as there are pro-gun cops, there are also anti-gun cops. Not that hard, is it?