Cops and Armed Citizens

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No open carry in Philly, Harrisburg, or Pittsburgh in Pa.
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Always check the laws before making a statement like this. There's enough disinformation out in the world already!

Open carry is perfectly legal for any non-prohibited person in Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, and legal for any LCTF holder in Philadelphia. (Just watch for traveling by car. Carrying while in a motor vehicle is considered concealed so you'll need the LCTF or a carry permit from any other state.)
 
I agree, most LEO's are in favor of responsible citizens carrying. But--

Doesn't matter to me if cops are pro- carry or not. If pro, then good. If against civilian carry, a law enforcement officer does not intimidate me.

I obey the law and I will defend the laws of my state. I exercise my right to carry and there is no law enforcement officer who can force me to give up my right.
 
Bill Brady is a republican running for Illinois governor in Nov. He is pro CCW, and wants no more gun controll than what is already in place.
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If he's for the status quo gun control laws in Illinois, how does that helps the citizens of that state?
 
The average policeman usually doesn't mind if citizens carry guns. At the top it is a whole different perspective. Armed citizens reduce crime, that's been proven too many times. Less crime means, less need for more officers, less need to raise taxes to buy new equipment for the force, less need to hire ADA's, build more jails, in short, less local government. Huge beaurocracies found in places like NYC, etc, shudder at such concepts as people thinking for, and being responcible for themselves. By restricting citizens rights to own guns, and constantly passing even more laws, means more law breakers, a rise in crime can be shown with statistical data, taxes can be raised to fight the rise in crime, government grows, salaries are increase, and all is good at the top.
 
I work with LEO's everyday. In my area, I'd say it's 50/50 on LE being OK with CCW.

Urban cops don't want it for the most part, sub-urban guys are usually OK with it, and the rural LE's typically support it.

It all come down to their upbringing mixed with their work environment. The people they encounter daily can be stand-up Joe's or low life scum, and I would assume most cops have different views on CCW for different civilians.

I've heard horror stories from young guys that try to be in style and still carry. Most LEO encounters don't go well for them. I am middle aged, slightly grey, and wear professional attire. Most cops I know ask me where's my gun when they don't see it readily.

Louisiana is an open carry state. A permit is only needed to conceal. I am not commissioned, but carry a sidearm daily for work and I have never had a LEO bat an eye.
 
When my handgun was stolen in a break in while I was at work. The Police Officer who showed up to take the report informed me in no uncertain terms that no 'civilian' should be allowed to have any kind of firearm. Unless they had a safe to put them in that was physically impossible to be broken into.
 
the foot said:
I agree, most LEO's are in favor of responsible citizens carrying. But--

Doesn't matter to me if cops are pro- carry or not. If pro, then good. If against civilian carry, a law enforcement officer does not intimidate me.

I obey the law and I will defend the laws of my state. I exercise my right to carry and there is no law enforcement officer who can force me to give up my right.
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Amen, brother!

BTW, my comment regarding no training required in so many states was NOT meant to be which states allow open carry. It was meant to show in which states there is no training required to carry a gun in public, in one form of carry or another.

It does appear as if no training is required for the Indiana license, so, yes add another state to the no training required list.

So, for the LEO who are against civilians carrying guns, or think that civilians should have training before carrying a gun - I think we can safely (pun intended) point to all these states and ask, exactly where is this problem that you suggest manifesting itself in reality?
 
I obey the law and I will defend the laws of my state. I exercise my right to carry and there is no law enforcement officer who can force me to give up my right.
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That's silly. Have you ever been tasered? You might give up more than your rights.
Is it right? No. Can a cop force you? Of course.
 
Let's not get off topic arguing unlawful force -vs.- rights. Anyone, cop or not, can deprive you of your rights if they're willing to face the penalties for doing so -- obviously. This discussion isn't really about illegal actions by officers.

Keep to the matter at hand, please.
 
Sounding in for Oregon.

Open carry is legal here without a permit, as long as the individual isn't personally prohibited from possessing a firearm (felon, mentally adjudicated, etc.).

Concealed carry is permit based, and Oregon is shall-issue.

Every LEO I know here, and I've met quite a few, firmly supports a legally-armed citizenry. Two local Sheriffs have even gone to bat for CHL holders to keep our personal information out of the hands of the press, who are fighting tooth and nail to obtain all personal information on Oregon CHL holders. Unfortunately, the state courts have sided with the press, and it's probably just a matter of time before some liberal newspaper prints all our names, addresses, and phone numbers in their filthy rag of a publication.:barf:
 
Sounding in for Oregon.

Open carry is legal here without a permit
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Except for a few municipalities which have banned open carry for none permit holders. Permit holders are exempt from the local bans, according to state law.
 
Any LEO who is not Pro-Gun has never had a CHL holder (a wrecker driver in this case) back them up on a hot call with weapons when the nearest LEO backup is running code 3 and is still 20 minutes away.

CHL holders are the good guys.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Bang on NavyLT!! I have a neighbor lady, i don't know where she is from originally but she was very surprised to find out that handguns are not registered here in Alabama!
 
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What is sad is how many cops think that we should give up our liberties just to make their jobs easier.

Do you have any basis for that opinion?
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in chicago and its suburbs its not an opinion.....it's a fact.
 
in chicago and its suburbs its not an opinion.....it's a fact.
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Even there is it pervasive in rank and file cops or just pushed down from above? Just asking, I don't really know. Seems like most places the average officer has bigger things to worry about, this stuff usually seems to come from upstairs.
 
But only in rural areas, no?
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No. It is legal to open carry a firearm without a license in Washington anywhere not prohibited by RCW 9.41.300 which is basically the actual court area of a courthouse, the restricted area only of jails and police stations, stadiums and convention centers IF owned by a city and IF the city prohibits firearms in those places (and their prohibitions are not applicable to concealed pistol license holders), the restricted areas of mental institutions, on school property (again, CPL holders have certain exceptions), the restricted area only of an airport, and areas where liquor is served that are also off limits to <21 years of age. AND without a CPL, you cannot keep the gun loaded in your car (or conceal it on your person). Otherwise, open carry of a loaded handgun just about everywhere in public is legal in Washington state, with or without a license.

I have open carried all over the state of Washington, including downtown Seattle and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.

Cities, towns, municipalities and counties are prohibited by state law from enacting their own firearms carry/possession regulations.

Also, there is an outdoor music festival prohibition in state law, but that applies only to outdoor concerts of a certain size and duration and hardly ever applies.
 
Good to know. I'd like to open carry while hiking, but was unsure of the legal ramifications. (I don't have a CPL).

I have open carried all over the state of Washington, including downtown Seattle and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.
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Reactions? Have people 'freaked out' and called the cops?
 
Always check the laws before making a statement like this. There's enough disinformation out in the world already!

Open carry is perfectly legal for any non-prohibited person in Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, and legal for any LCTF holder in Philadelphia. (Just watch for traveling by car. Carrying while in a motor vehicle is considered concealed so you'll need the LCTF or a carry permit from any other state.)
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Philadelphia is a city of the 1st class, as is pittsburgh, and as such, open carry is expressly forbidden without a CCW permit.

Is open carry legal in PA?

Answer: Yes, with some restrictions.

Anyone whom can legally own a firearm in the commonwealth can openly carry, on foot, with the exception of court facilities, federal buildings, motor vehicles and cities of the first class (Philadelphia)

Those person possessing a valid License to Carry Firearms are also permitted to carry openly (or concealed) while in a vehicle and in cities of the first class.
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http://paopencarry.org/open-carry-questions-answers#1

I would not even contemplate trying to OC in philly, you would very possibly be shot on sight by the first cop that sees you. I have never once, not in 40 years, ever seen any citizen open carry in Philadelphia.

I'm not about to be the first...and i HIGHLY recommend that you not try it either.
 
I am a retired LEO (25 Yrs.) & retired military. I have always supported a citizens right to carry even open if in a state that allows it. There would be far less crime and crime victims if our elected officials would just realize this. To bad we tend to elect only idiots in this country. Semper Fi the second Admin..
 
You guys have GOT to fact-check this stuff:
Philadelphia is a city of the 1st class, as is pittsburgh, and as such, open carry is expressly forbidden without a CCW permit.
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Pittsburgh is a City of the Second Class, and thus does not prohibit open carry to folks who don't hold the LCTF.

http://www.psats.org/today_About_PA_Municipalites.pdf

In 1895, when some cities were growing rapidly, the state assigned them to four population
classes. These classifications, which still exist today, allow the General Assembly to pass laws
for cities according to their population:
• First Class – 1 million or more
• Second Class – 250,000 – 999,999
• Second Class A – 80,000 – 249,999
• Third Class – cities with a population of less than 250,000 that have not elected to
become a city of the second class A.

Philadelphia, the oldest and largest city in Pennsylvania, is the only city of the first class, and
all laws pertaining to cities of the first class are for Philadelphia alone.
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I would not even contemplate trying to OC in philly, you would very possibly be shot on sight by the first cop that sees you. I have never once, not in 40 years, ever seen any citizen open carry in Philadelphia.
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And, yet, it happens, and a negative response from Philadelphia's finest would likely garner a far more than equal and opposite reaction in the courts.
 
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