Could deadly force have been used.

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Hey swagner, I didnt know they made a .45 glock 22, I will have to get me one of those, better yet, you find me one and I will give you a grand for it, Ill even pay shipping.
 
I liked the Seagulls advice, that and if you had your badge and you should have stuck it out the window.

I travel through the mountains of the Virginia's and the Blue Ridge to Tennessee often, and generally try to stay away from other drivers, but there always seems to be a trucker that just has to be an a$$ and tail gate.

Here is what I do, I wait till we are going up a long steep hill and take my foot off the gas, if he changes lanes so do I. It is amazing how fast those big rigs slow down and further amazing how long it takes them to get back up to speed. Then I hightail it out of there, may even get off at an exit and wait for him to pass, because I will guarantee he is really gonna be pissed.
 
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Your discussion etiquette has been impecable hungry bird. Its just the likes of swagner and gregry. Im sure that instead of reaping the educational benefits of a forum such as this that they merely comb the threads looking to misread or misunderstand a members literature so that they can feel better about their personal inadequacies.
 
As a cop, you would not and could not "prosecute" anyone no matter how bad you may want to, or think you can.
As a truck driver this guy was way out in left field. Definitely NOT a professional, but more of a steering wheel holder. He should have his CDL removed. He gives us a bad name.
 
You would be surprised that in the old money politically motivated police and sheriffs departments of the south, you would get into just as much trouble for flashing your badge as you would your gun. People dont understand that that small shiny piece of tin doesnt give off the desired effect coming from a civiliaN vehicle. We have so many volunteer fire departments here and their badges are identical to ours except theirs says volunteer fire department and ours says SUE ME!
 
Good night everyone.

Not often I run into a threat that kept me up past my bedtime.

Oh regarding those hot pursuit videos, I remember a few on TV... it's all good when LEO's are plinking away at all the tires.....

pick pick pick pick pick..... eventually giant topples.

No tires, no go. Start with the first set of drives on the tractor.

Cheers all.

Now back to guns shall we?
 
I didnt say that I could prosecute. I only said that officers and deputies here are responsible for making cases to take to the grand jury for an indictment. If an officer does not make the grand jury file to take to the grand jury, the prosocutor doesnt know anything about it. Here the prosocutor doesnt prosocute unless we ask him to and there is sufficient evidence to convince a grand jury that there is enough probable cause for trial.
 
this being "the high road", i really have no interest in pursuing a flame war. by the same token, i don't appreciate reading fabrications created by either a 10 year old kid or a anti-gunner phishing for quotes to use in political propaganda. there is no way you are a law enforcement officer, so quit posting this bull****!
 
I have never understood why cops in the hot pursuit videos spend round after round shooting at the tires when all you have to do is plant a slug, buck shot, or a few pistol rounds into the radiator and as soon as that engine starts to heat up, the computer will shut it down. If I had it to do over again I would not have idenified myself as a cop in the opening thread. It seems that cops recieve ten times the criticism for thinking human thoughts.
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I drove a 2000 chevy venture van 20 miles in stop and go traffic with the engine temp pinged in the red. It had a blown head gasket, and would overheat. On the freeway it would have been able to continue on for a lot longer. Even with many modern cars you are talking 10 or more miles with little to no coolant if your at higher speeds. Older cars (read many older then the mid 90s) would likely keep going until the motor seized up. Shooting the tires out (which is stupid and rarely done in my state) would limit a persons speed, and handling. It will likely make it harder for them to get away.



Back to the original post.

I am not a fan of threating the use of deadly force to try to gain compliance. Main reason being if you threaten someone with deadly force, and your not legaly able to use it, people will call your bluff. That might mean trying to run you off the road, shoot at you, or advance on your position because they know if you shoot them your screwed legaly (aka often in attempted suicide by cop). I don't want to be trying to defend my actions of waving a pistol at someone in court (let alone shooting at someone), when their defense is "Yes I was tailgaiting them a bit. I tried to pass them only to have them point a gun at me, which prompted me to shoot at them/try to run them off the road". Jurys don't like driving cases where guns/crowbars/etc are involved because they are going to see it as out of control road rage where both people are just as guilty.

Who really is guilty here? If your action of pointing your pistol out the window wasn't legal (and in your situation you might have trouble justifying it) the other person might just be able to claim self defense if they tried to run you off the road. Again the anti mindset against people CCWing tends to be because it will keep people from shooting eachother during road rage/tailgaiting events. You waving your gun is a elevation of force, let alone if you use it. Like I said many people are going to see such things as just road rage to the extreme. Showing your badge is a elevation of force (That isn't really capable of generating a defense for the other person to try to run you off the road) that is better suited in your case. It would be completely reasonable to get off the highway/pull over/etc and get all the information you can. Of course if the truck driver was ramming your car, swerving in an attempt to run you off the road, or anything like that, by all means defend yourself.
 
Trucks are sensitive these days with thier fancy computers.

Ive climbed out of the Catskills with a blown engine puttering along with everything in the red for a long time. No computer to stop anything. It's just a matter of good old fashioned AMERICAN engineering and thermal strength against eventual failure.

Today's trucks will want to shut down when you so much as drip from the cooling system. Ugh.
 
Cars will continue because they are driven by the owners who if they wish, can drive the car with the temp guage in the red and they will have to fit the bill. However semi trucks come factory with a computer shut off so that if the oil pressure gets too low, or high, or the engine gets too hot, the computer will kill the engine automatically to prevent total engine death. The company owners know that truck drivers are like everyone else, HUMAN, if they dont notice the check engine light that is blinking, the computer will eliminate operator error that would ultimately cost the company alot more money than a tow bill.
 
this being "the high road", i really have no interest in pursuing a flame war. by the same token, i don't appreciate reading fabrications created by either a 10 year old kid or a anti-gunner phishing for quotes to use in political propaganda. there is no way you are a law enforcement officer, so quit posting this bull****!
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If you think people are on here trying to fish for quotes to use in political propaganda maybe you need to have your tin foil hat copper plated and lined with lead. They do just fine making up anything they want or taking information and quotes from movies. It really gets me how one of the first things that people accuse others of being is some anti gun person that’s just out to bust the RKABA's balls.

Although I am unsure of the status of the persons LE career (due to the question asked) I know he very well could be. I know many officers that are not very knowledgeable about certain things involved with the use of force. He posed a good question that could benifit people on here if they believe that they could and should point their gun out the window in the situation he posted.

Even if he is not who he says he is, what he posted is no threat to THR considering the responses he is going to get are going to reflect that most of us are reasonable people that aren't out to shoot first. The attitude here is going to be mostly a detriment to any anti gun people since they aren't going to find the info to fill their opinion of us being unsafe, power hungry, psychos that love to kill. However accusations that members are “the enemy” and out to do everyone harm show attitudes we don’t want to reflect to others, mainly because it perpetuates the image of gun owners being unreasonable, and conspiracy theorists.
 
I was bragging to my wife about how I loved thehighroad.org and how you can actually talk to inteligent people who give good feed back whether it be in your favor or not. I simply wanted to know the civilian perspective on one of a million alternatives that I could have utilized AND DID NOT. Instead a new member with probably no more than a ged who has appearently developed a crush on me can ruin one of the few good things that the internet has to offer. Good night all. I do ask that you refrain from visiting any of my future threads swagner89, just to let you know that cyberstalking is a felony. Stay out of mississippi. Thank you for your input gregry
 
Dont mean it to be a personal attack, but are you a reserve officer ?

The question is not one I would ever think to hear from a fellow Officer, and 18 wheelers usually dispaly a tag on the front of the rig. you can run a vreg check on the trailer tag also. You dont need the vin.

If you really are an Officer, please run do not walk to your Departments training Officer and seek assistance.




Lol cyberstalking is a felony in mississippi huh, wow dont know mississippi penal code but i doubt posting on a forum like thie would meet the required elements of that crime. Oh and a quick question what is the penalty for impersonating a police Officer in mississippi ?
 
First off ignore the troll

I could not have beated the truck with mere speed.
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So had you displayed a weapon you couldn't have stopped him from running you off the road?

I'll let you think that one through on your own
 
call a dispather in north miss and tell them 2 run a apportioned tag and they will tell you that without the vin u cant get anything back.
 
Oh and a quick question what is the penalty for impersonating a police Officer in mississippi ?
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Probably the same as impersonating a Marine in Upstate New York
 
Mr loki you are not a police officer yourself, considering you have claimed to be a sniper in the armed forces, and I believe a gun store employee. The sniper situation was already proved to be false, so why are you claiming to be an officer now?

Not all officers completely understand the law. I don't recall in my use of force training any mention of a sitaution like was posted. It is a good sitaution to think about for everyone since many people (like me) find themselves being tailgated every day. Now I have had more training then most officers in my state when it comes to the use of force. I am better able to distiguish legal from illegal when it comes to the use of force, then many officers. So I could easily see such a question comming from an actual officer. Its not even that unreasonable of a question, and it sounds like he handled it properly. Its even more resonable when I think of how other officers have asked me if its legal to search a house without a warrant, and if they have to shoot someone. Probably even worse questions that I can't even think of right now.
 
my buick against the truck. IF there was no escape it seems to be the only way to scare him into backing off
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Now I'm beginning to wonder. Drawing a weapon to "scare someone off” is called "brandishing a weapon" and "aggravated felony menacing" where I'm from and it's worth a year or two in the Graybar hotel and permanent revocation of your 2nd amendment rights. One would think a police officer would know that
 
if i had it to do over again i should have asked "what would you have done. mr loki, is that the wierd guy with he rifle from yesterday? i know the law its just that with my brand new baby girl in the back, i would quit being a cop in a second to protect her. daddys dont think like cops. i should have asked that question at a daddy site and excluded the cop thing.
 
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