Cross Draw?
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In Section 15: The Quick Draw, On page 267, of Ed McGivern's Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting; he describes his "short cross-draw" as I have outlined in the above posts, and then says:
I admit to not being quite that fast, but never-the-less I have found it to be exceptionally quick as well as reasonably accurate at distances around 6 to 10 feet.
I admit to not being quite that fast, but never-the-less I have found it to be exceptionally quick as well as reasonably accurate at distances around 6 to 10 feet.
FoMoGo
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You can have all the techniques in the world.
It doesnt change the fact that cross draw is drawing with the weak muscles of your arm.
If someone is coming for you and you are using your weak arm to fend them off... it puts them closer to your weapon.
Use what you are comfortable with and what works best for you... just understand and work with the shortcomings.
Where I wear my holster on my strong side is higher that optimum for fast and easy draw, but its better for concealment.
Life is all about compromises where you have to.
Jim
It doesnt change the fact that cross draw is drawing with the weak muscles of your arm.
If someone is coming for you and you are using your weak arm to fend them off... it puts them closer to your weapon.
Use what you are comfortable with and what works best for you... just understand and work with the shortcomings.
Where I wear my holster on my strong side is higher that optimum for fast and easy draw, but its better for concealment.
Life is all about compromises where you have to.
Jim
Davionmaximus
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I use a low slung band. Easier to cross draw while seated in a car while driving. No seatbelt interferance. When I choose to carry strongside the seat belt in the car would be prohibitive.
The draw is simple.(while standing) Pivot the left hip and right sholder foward simutaniously and grasp the firearm firmly. Once grip has been established pivit the hip and sholder back to thier original positions while twisting the wrist slightly and raising the gun straight foward onto the target.
Takes a bit of practice but is very fast and effective.
The draw is simple.(while standing) Pivot the left hip and right sholder foward simutaniously and grasp the firearm firmly. Once grip has been established pivit the hip and sholder back to thier original positions while twisting the wrist slightly and raising the gun straight foward onto the target.
Takes a bit of practice but is very fast and effective.
notorious
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If it was such a bad idea, I doubt Doc Holliday would have done it and he won the fight against Johnny Ringo too while crossdrawing versus JR's strongside draw.
Ridgerunner665
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notorious,
Perfect example...even though it was on TV.
Doc Holiday did use crossdraw, so did Bill Cody IIRC. They both survived numerous gunfights.
As I said earler...crossdraw is FAST...but its not well suited to concealed carry, at least not from the waistband...shoulder rigs may work OK for crossdraw...but they are not as fast, so there goes the advantage.
Perfect example...even though it was on TV.
Doc Holiday did use crossdraw, so did Bill Cody IIRC. They both survived numerous gunfights.
As I said earler...crossdraw is FAST...but its not well suited to concealed carry, at least not from the waistband...shoulder rigs may work OK for crossdraw...but they are not as fast, so there goes the advantage.
notorious
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It was a documentary which was filmed on location by a bystander who happened to have a cell phone camera ready and caught the whole fight on video. Doc Holliday escaped being prosecuted for impersonating a peace officer because Johnny Ringo was dead and the witness did not wish to testify.
Cross draw is only used when I have to spend the majority of my time driving. Other than that I don't like it because a good block to my elbow could result in me not being able to unholster my pistol. I usually carry at 4 o'clock but that isn't nice in a car all day.
notorious
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I like being able to tap my left thumb on the gun butt like Doc Holliday. It's soooo cool!
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Old Fluff,
I see what happened. Usually when people cite the 2/5th's of a second time, it is in reference to his speed record of firing 5 shots that could be covered by a hand.
THAT feat does not include the draw time.
I misread your original comment that was about ONLY the draw/first shot.
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I see what happened. Usually when people cite the 2/5th's of a second time, it is in reference to his speed record of firing 5 shots that could be covered by a hand.
THAT feat does not include the draw time.
I misread your original comment that was about ONLY the draw/first shot.
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Right, and McGivern repeatedly point out in interviews that he could do some remarkable things, but not do them all at once. He was also careful to only make claimes that were witnessed by at least several reliable people. Those that knew him said that on several occasions his performance exceeded his public record, but he made no claims because acceptable witnesses weren't there at the time.
Concerning his draws, a lot of what he called "superspeed" draws were made using cross-draw methods, using 2 and 4 inch barreled Smith & Wesson K-frame Military & Police revolvers of his day (middle 1920's to about 1940) that were exactly as they came out of the box; and other then being well used were unaltered. They didn't have to be.
Concerning his draws, a lot of what he called "superspeed" draws were made using cross-draw methods, using 2 and 4 inch barreled Smith & Wesson K-frame Military & Police revolvers of his day (middle 1920's to about 1940) that were exactly as they came out of the box; and other then being well used were unaltered. They didn't have to be.
CoRoMo
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I'll have to amend my previous post with this one.
I was referring to concealed carry.
I actually do carry my 'wilderness gun' in a shoulder rig when I hike into the back-country. So in that setup, I would obviously be cross-drawing.
A shoulder rig would be my preferred method to cross-draw if I were to carry concealed that way. But I don't, and the recommendations I received by trainers is mainly the reason why. My father uses a shoulder rig.
I was referring to concealed carry.
I actually do carry my 'wilderness gun' in a shoulder rig when I hike into the back-country. So in that setup, I would obviously be cross-drawing.
A shoulder rig would be my preferred method to cross-draw if I were to carry concealed that way. But I don't, and the recommendations I received by trainers is mainly the reason why. My father uses a shoulder rig.
notorious
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At least you didn't say it 8 times this time, CRM.
FoMoGo
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And as to old west gunfighter fast draws...
Yall need to stop watching TV and movies...
Crossdraw is great for driving and sitting.
When I am going to be sitting or driving I prefer a shoulder holster... which is technically crossdraw.
Jim
Yall need to stop watching TV and movies...
Crossdraw is great for driving and sitting.
When I am going to be sitting or driving I prefer a shoulder holster... which is technically crossdraw.
Jim
notorious
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I like shoulder carry but the guy sitting behind me got tired of staring at the barrel of my gun.
notorious
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I was being facetious... and also, people sorta figured we are all carrying with that badge and the uniformed people hanging around and all.
I understand, but I know of an incident where a friend and his wife took one of they're friends out to lunch. Several men came in, one of whom was wearing a Gelco rig, and it being a hot day had left his coat in the car. When he sat down my friend's friend found himself looking straight at the holstered muzzle of a Glock. It was probably safe, but the individual that had the pistol pointed toward him didn't see it that way, and so got up and went over to complain. Sort of a sticky situation, and poor public relations on the part of the officer to say the least.
Had he worn a covering garment nothing would have happened, and the room was air conditioned.
Had he worn a covering garment nothing would have happened, and the room was air conditioned.
notorious
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Damn cops are so inconsiderate!
Hoxviii
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If I'm driving or wearing a physically heavy coat, like a pea coat, I carry shoulder cross draw.
Two reasons:
1: A heavy wool coat is hard to push up and out of the way to facilitate strong side draw.
2: If for some reason someone stops and demands a wallet, it looks like that's what you're reaching for.
Two reasons:
1: A heavy wool coat is hard to push up and out of the way to facilitate strong side draw.
2: If for some reason someone stops and demands a wallet, it looks like that's what you're reaching for.
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