cz 75 and ruger p89
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Stephen A. Camp
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Hello. A report on the CZ-75 can be found through the link below. Though the pistol is the Pre-B version, much accurately translates to the current pistols.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/CZ75.htm
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http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/CZ75.htm
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I shoot a 75B in USPSA Production division. The CZ is perhaps the most over looked and under rated pistol on the planet. I have large hands and I love the ergonomics. Some shooters find the reach to the trigger too long and the grip too fat. They are great guns for the money.
PCRCCW
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You have two very reliable and great guns. One is a vanilla version that runs like a timex. The other is a gun of history and character, IMO.
For the same money.......the CZ is the one I suspect most will recommend.
Im one of them...........
Shoot welol.........
For the same money.......the CZ is the one I suspect most will recommend.
Im one of them...........
Shoot welol.........
George Hill
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CZ, or a Ruger....
Hmmm... CZ is a high quality machine made in a country that supported the war in Iraq.... very nice gun that is accurate, reliable, and even feels good in the hand.
Hmmmm... the Ruger is a piece of crud that is made by a company founded by a guy that screwed the American Shooting Public because he thinks no honest man needs high capacity magazines.
Gee... this is a coin toss.
Hmmm... CZ is a high quality machine made in a country that supported the war in Iraq.... very nice gun that is accurate, reliable, and even feels good in the hand.
Hmmmm... the Ruger is a piece of crud that is made by a company founded by a guy that screwed the American Shooting Public because he thinks no honest man needs high capacity magazines.
Gee... this is a coin toss.
I have a Ruger P89 and think it is great. I have hunted with it, shot IDPA and IPSC with it and of course done a lot of plinking and informal target shooting with it. I have no complaints. I own a number of 9mm handguns and this is usually the first one to come out of the safe.
I have never owned or even fired a CZ75, but everyone I have ever known or talked to that owned one absolutely loved it.
If I was choosing between the two, I would have to have more information to make a dicision.
I have never owned or even fired a CZ75, but everyone I have ever known or talked to that owned one absolutely loved it.
If I was choosing between the two, I would have to have more information to make a dicision.
Roger Williams
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Sir, I beg to differ. I own a CZ75B, and love it to pieces. It is probably the one I would go with, but Rugers are not pieces of crud. Just because you disagree with Bill Ruger's viewpoint on high-cap mags (I do too, BTW) that's no reason to put the gun down. From my experience, most Rugers are reliable, well made, reasonably priced weapons.
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I have 5 ruger pistols and would not trade a one. I had a CZ40 and traded it within a month for a CZ75 and have never looked back. I love my Rugers but the CZ feels great and is very reliable and accurate. Oh and by the way not one problem with the Rugers or CZ except for one. They go through ammo way to quick, or could that be me???
PCRCCW
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A couple of notes.
First.. George has the right to voice his opinion about Rugers policy as well as Roger does. Lets just keep it civil and respectful.
Second.....I too disagree with his business dealings.
Third.....Hamonrye, its absolutely the guns
Shoot well......
First.. George has the right to voice his opinion about Rugers policy as well as Roger does. Lets just keep it civil and respectful.
Second.....I too disagree with his business dealings.
Third.....Hamonrye, its absolutely the guns
Shoot well......
armoredman
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Depends on how your hands feel the grip - Rugers are well built, but feel like bricks, while the CZ is one of my favorites, with the Witness line, too. If you get a CZ, get Hakan grips, http://www.imageseek.com/hakan/ , and an HBE holster,http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/ !
Walt Sherrill
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I'd recommend a Ruger P-95 over the P-89.
I've had both the P-95 and the CZ-75B, and prefer the CZ-75B, but the P-95 is a fine gun and may just fit YOU better. (I'm a big-time CZ enthusiast.)
Rugers are NOT crap guns. They offer high quality for a very reasonable price, and are built like tanks.
The only negative I've found withe P-series Rugers: its hard to get really good triggers. But there are a few gunsmiths who can make them nice.
Note, too: they look larger than they are -- if you measure, you'll find that they are comparable in size to H&Ks or Glocks, slightly larger in some dimensions, and slightly smaller in others.
While the CZ is one of the most naturally "pointing" guns you can get, the long double-action trigger is a problem for some folks, if they are unwilling to carry "cocked and locked." You don't even have that option with the Ruger, however. (CZ also makes decocker versions, like the P-95.)
Try them both and see which fits you best. Pay close attention to the trigger -- both quality and pull length.
I've had both the P-95 and the CZ-75B, and prefer the CZ-75B, but the P-95 is a fine gun and may just fit YOU better. (I'm a big-time CZ enthusiast.)
Rugers are NOT crap guns. They offer high quality for a very reasonable price, and are built like tanks.
The only negative I've found withe P-series Rugers: its hard to get really good triggers. But there are a few gunsmiths who can make them nice.
Note, too: they look larger than they are -- if you measure, you'll find that they are comparable in size to H&Ks or Glocks, slightly larger in some dimensions, and slightly smaller in others.
While the CZ is one of the most naturally "pointing" guns you can get, the long double-action trigger is a problem for some folks, if they are unwilling to carry "cocked and locked." You don't even have that option with the Ruger, however. (CZ also makes decocker versions, like the P-95.)
Try them both and see which fits you best. Pay close attention to the trigger -- both quality and pull length.
Flashpoint
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The P-89 looses the "brick" feel if you get one that come with factory Hogue grips. My was real comfy and and ran like a champ. POA was a little low for me, but maybe not for you. I would like to get another someday just for sentimental value. It was my first gun, but I traded it off for a Sig p-239 in 9mm. The Ruger has a decent trigger, but nother compared to the Sig.
Can't comment on the CZ. Only reason I haven't picked up a similar Witness model is that the ones I have handled had very narrow slides making it a little difficult for me to get a good grip (to rack the slide and chamber a round). Both the CZ and the Witness lines are almost impossible to find around here for some reason.
Do have a Ruger P89 and P95. Both in stainless. Both absolutely reliable beyond question. Both more accurate than I am. In fact the range that I go to is almost a 100% church of Glock range...get the looks and the snickers when I pull out the Rugers...which stop immediately after my first mag. Anyway..I think the P95 has a better trigger and provides the best size to weight ratio when it comes to the Ruger line. And stainless is a much better long term finish for the Ruger line.
YMMV.
Do have a Ruger P89 and P95. Both in stainless. Both absolutely reliable beyond question. Both more accurate than I am. In fact the range that I go to is almost a 100% church of Glock range...get the looks and the snickers when I pull out the Rugers...which stop immediately after my first mag. Anyway..I think the P95 has a better trigger and provides the best size to weight ratio when it comes to the Ruger line. And stainless is a much better long term finish for the Ruger line.
YMMV.
Outlander
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Glad someone else feels the way I do about St. William the traitor.
Too many people overlook this fact so they can feel good about their 10/22, yet beat their chest and say "S&W must die".
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dairycreek
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Looks like I'm preaching to the choir!
My comments are pretty much the same. Bottom line is that they are both highly realiable, rugged, dependable, and effective pistols. Nothing bad to say about either of them. However, having said that, I vastly prefer the CZ 75. Like the feel of it much more than that of the Ruger. FWIW! Good shooting.
My comments are pretty much the same. Bottom line is that they are both highly realiable, rugged, dependable, and effective pistols. Nothing bad to say about either of them. However, having said that, I vastly prefer the CZ 75. Like the feel of it much more than that of the Ruger. FWIW! Good shooting.
chaim
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My first auto (and second gun) was a Ruger P89. I sold it in about 6 months. To be sure, it is a good gun. Extremely reliable (never a bobble). I am also one of the few people who actually like how it looks. However, it points and handles like a brick. It seems much larger than it really is (while the CZ seems much smaller). It just feels cheap. Also, it was incredibly inaccurate. It wasn't just me- when shooting range rentals I wasn't familiar with I was more accurate than with my P89, and my friend's P90 (.45acp) was far more accurate in either of our hands than my P89. The P95 has a better rep for accuracy than the P89 (interestingly the .45acps, the P90 and P97, are known to be quite accurate if you were also considering a .45).
I've had a CZ 75B for a while now. 5-6000+ rounds. A couple minor hiccups but very reliable. It is one of my most accurate guns. It is well made, has great fit and finish, and just feels right. I absolutely love mine.
So my vote, if I was to buy one or the other (and I didn't have one already) I would go with the CZ. The Ruger is a tiny bit more reliable, but the CZ is better in every other way.
I've had a CZ 75B for a while now. 5-6000+ rounds. A couple minor hiccups but very reliable. It is one of my most accurate guns. It is well made, has great fit and finish, and just feels right. I absolutely love mine.
So my vote, if I was to buy one or the other (and I didn't have one already) I would go with the CZ. The Ruger is a tiny bit more reliable, but the CZ is better in every other way.
Another non fan of Mr. Ruger. Not only did he support round limits, he also refused to chamber a P series gun in 10mm because he said the 10mm was ridiculous. Mostly, I gather because he was such a big fan of the .45ACP. He also refused to allow his company to sell the hi-cap versions of the Mini-14 mags to anyone but dealers/LEO/military. My first rifle was a Mini, and I still remember how mad I was when I found out that they wouldn't sell to me even though there was no law against it at the time.
Anyway, about the guns.
Accuracy--CZ
Customer Support--Ruger
Reliability--Ruger*
Durability--Ruger
Ergonomics--CZ
Looks--CZ
Trigger--CZ**
*The chamber on my Ruger P89 seems to be a little on the small side. The result is that it chokes on ammo that is only slightly too large (rounds are slightly oversized). That's good and bad. Something to be aware of.
**The trigger on my P89 has gotten better and better the more I dryfire and shoot the gun. In fact, the more I shoot the gun, the better it seems to get.
Second the recommend on the Hogue Grips if you do choose the Ruger. It goes a long way to eliminating the "brick in the hand" feel of the stock P89.
Second the recommend that you take a look at the newer Ruger P series 9mm. The polymer P series are even more durable than the aluminum frame guns, from what I hear. Anyway, both of the newer 9mms feel a bit better in my hand than the 89.
Anyway, about the guns.
Accuracy--CZ
Customer Support--Ruger
Reliability--Ruger*
Durability--Ruger
Ergonomics--CZ
Looks--CZ
Trigger--CZ**
*The chamber on my Ruger P89 seems to be a little on the small side. The result is that it chokes on ammo that is only slightly too large (rounds are slightly oversized). That's good and bad. Something to be aware of.
**The trigger on my P89 has gotten better and better the more I dryfire and shoot the gun. In fact, the more I shoot the gun, the better it seems to get.
Second the recommend on the Hogue Grips if you do choose the Ruger. It goes a long way to eliminating the "brick in the hand" feel of the stock P89.
Second the recommend that you take a look at the newer Ruger P series 9mm. The polymer P series are even more durable than the aluminum frame guns, from what I hear. Anyway, both of the newer 9mms feel a bit better in my hand than the 89.
W Turner
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I do not have personal experience with the P89, but the P90 I had was a very nice pistol for the money. Good fit and finish, trigger was decent (to me it is a better value than a Sig, but...) the only thing it needed was the Hogue grips everyone has mentioned. I have heard that the .45 P series guns are supposed to be more accurate than the rest.
I do own a CZ 75 and love it. The double action is heavier than I remember the Ruger's being, but I carry C&L anyway, so I don't use the DA much. My impression of this pistol is Sig/Beretta/HK quality at Ruger's price. The only problem I have with it is a lack of commonly available holsters, but a lot of that is because I am too cheap to spend the money for a custom ordered holster.
Overall, the CZ is a much better value, but the Rugers are not a bad choice at all. Also, the CZ will probably hold its value better and if they are scare in your area, that is probably b/c the shooters in your area recognize what a value it is.
Mino
I do own a CZ 75 and love it. The double action is heavier than I remember the Ruger's being, but I carry C&L anyway, so I don't use the DA much. My impression of this pistol is Sig/Beretta/HK quality at Ruger's price. The only problem I have with it is a lack of commonly available holsters, but a lot of that is because I am too cheap to spend the money for a custom ordered holster.
Overall, the CZ is a much better value, but the Rugers are not a bad choice at all. Also, the CZ will probably hold its value better and if they are scare in your area, that is probably b/c the shooters in your area recognize what a value it is.
Mino
Longbow
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the Ruger ....... made by a company founded by a guy that screwed the American Shooting Public because he thinks no honest man needs high capacity magazines.
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Ditto!
.....but I do love my 2 10/22's though.
Between the 2 mentioned, I'll pick the CZ also, but in PO1 version.
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the Ruger ....... made by a company founded by a guy that screwed the American Shooting Public because he thinks no honest man needs high capacity magazines.
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Ditto!
.....but I do love my 2 10/22's though.
Between the 2 mentioned, I'll pick the CZ also, but in PO1 version.
BevrFevr
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sold my p89 to buy a cz75b. Sooooooooo glad I did too.
There are gagillion posts on this exact topic. I mean exact the p89 to cz75?
I've sid it before and I'll say it again. there is no real comparison of the two. If you can't tell how much better a cz is then we probably ain't gonna be much help to you anyways.
-bevr
There are gagillion posts on this exact topic. I mean exact the p89 to cz75?
I've sid it before and I'll say it again. there is no real comparison of the two. If you can't tell how much better a cz is then we probably ain't gonna be much help to you anyways.
-bevr
CZ52GUY
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What he said...
...given that, I do own a P95DC and a CZ-75B.
The CZ-75B is by far the most accurate handgun I own. The P95 however is like a little toddler grabbing your shins that won't go away...it keeps shooting, and shooting, and shooting, and gives the CZ-75B a run for its money in the accuracy department.
My P95 doesn't like WWB, at all.
My CZ-75B will shoot anything.
The P95 has a horrible factory grip, Hogue Handalls cured that...another vote for Hogue finger grooves if you go with the P89.
P95 is polymer frame where the P89 and CZ-75B are metal frames.
The P95 is excessively "blocky" for some...the P89 is similarly proportioned but larger...the CZ-75B is sleek and I think presents a better sight picture.
$ for $ I think the CZ-75B is the better buy new. You can still find factory high caps for between $40-$50 and CTD sells a $14 high cap that has gotten some good press over at the CZ-Forum. There is a mag' compatibility chart over there that I can't recall specifics which I believe expands your high cap options for the CZ-75B.
The P89 or P95 does have some high cap options available, including the $35 Mec-Gar's from CDNN (I have several on order).
Bottom line, if new, I'd go with the CZ-75B because I think it is a better value.
If used, I've seen very solid P89's and P95's in the $250 range which means that "Uncle Bill" already got his money, you can get your high cap's from Mec-Gar, and get a very solid little pistol (don't forget about $15 for the Hogue Finger Grooves for P89) for a terrific price.
Hard to go wrong either way.
Good luck!
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