JohnBT
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I've had a Military model for 3 years. Maybe I should learn how to take the extractor out? Nah, if it ain't broke... 
John
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CZ 75 Design Flaw?
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No problems here
No gun is perfect, but my Three CZ's have been. I've owned a CZ-75B since 1996 and have added a PCR, Kadet Kit and 97B over the past few years. I go through several range sessions and hundreds of rounds before I even think of cleaning them and no problems here.
No gun is perfect, but my Three CZ's have been. I've owned a CZ-75B since 1996 and have added a PCR, Kadet Kit and 97B over the past few years. I go through several range sessions and hundreds of rounds before I even think of cleaning them and no problems here.
Yes-Huge design flaw
I agree with the original poster that my CZ 75B has a big flaw. Not the extractor though. The flaw is that this gun is burning a hole in my pocket book. I need to stop myself from bringing a whole case of Winchester white box each time I go to the range with the 75 and Kadet combo.
I agree with the original poster that my CZ 75B has a big flaw. Not the extractor though. The flaw is that this gun is burning a hole in my pocket book. I need to stop myself from bringing a whole case of Winchester white box each time I go to the range with the 75 and Kadet combo.
I did some research
I did some research on the czforum.com last night. It appears as though extractor woes are not unheard of on the cz75. In fact, many have claimed a dirty extractor has been the culprit in numerous failures to extract.
It just seems to me that a design that lends itself to this would be a flaw. Perhaps not a flaw of 'recall' proportions as it can be remedied by a good cleansing, but nonetheless, a flaw that should be noted.
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I did some research on the czforum.com last night. It appears as though extractor woes are not unheard of on the cz75. In fact, many have claimed a dirty extractor has been the culprit in numerous failures to extract.
It just seems to me that a design that lends itself to this would be a flaw. Perhaps not a flaw of 'recall' proportions as it can be remedied by a good cleansing, but nonetheless, a flaw that should be noted.
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Walt Sherrill
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Not unheard of. Agreed.
Design flaw? Who knows? For as I said above, I've put thousands and thousands of rounds through my CZs without the first extraction problem.
Should the design be such that cleaning shouldn't be required?
I put 2,000 rounds through my CZ-85 Combat once, just for the hell of it, without cleaning. No extraction problems.
I suspect there may be problems with specific extractors, maybe made NOT exactly to spec.
Is that a design flaw? Probably not. Is that a quality control problem? Perhaps. But its not a problem that is unknown to other guns, etc.
If it'll make you feel better, call it a "design flaw."
But I think if it were a design flaw it would be far more common.
I'm one of the moderators on the CZ Forum. We have several thousand registered users, and many, many more participants.
The extraction issue has come up a number of times (TENS, not HUNDREDS, of inquiries), as have problems with premature lockback (again, TENS, not HUNDREDS of times).
The guns have remarkably few problems, otherwise. This is especially amazing since many of the shooters on the CZ Forum are relatively new to semi-auto pistols, which generates a lot of VERY BASIC questions and problems.
I've had SIGs, Glocks, Berettas, S&Ws, etc., I prefer my CZs. They just fit me better. I can understand why others might feel differently.
Design flaw? Who knows? For as I said above, I've put thousands and thousands of rounds through my CZs without the first extraction problem.
Should the design be such that cleaning shouldn't be required?
I put 2,000 rounds through my CZ-85 Combat once, just for the hell of it, without cleaning. No extraction problems.
I suspect there may be problems with specific extractors, maybe made NOT exactly to spec.
Is that a design flaw? Probably not. Is that a quality control problem? Perhaps. But its not a problem that is unknown to other guns, etc.
If it'll make you feel better, call it a "design flaw."
But I think if it were a design flaw it would be far more common.
I'm one of the moderators on the CZ Forum. We have several thousand registered users, and many, many more participants.
The extraction issue has come up a number of times (TENS, not HUNDREDS, of inquiries), as have problems with premature lockback (again, TENS, not HUNDREDS of times).
The guns have remarkably few problems, otherwise. This is especially amazing since many of the shooters on the CZ Forum are relatively new to semi-auto pistols, which generates a lot of VERY BASIC questions and problems.
I've had SIGs, Glocks, Berettas, S&Ws, etc., I prefer my CZs. They just fit me better. I can understand why others might feel differently.
Stealthfixr
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Never cleaned my extractor
And, I've shot over 2000 rounds with the CZ-75BD that I bought last December. I love the gun--it shoots until I quit, accurate, never a malfunction.
And, I've shot over 2000 rounds with the CZ-75BD that I bought last December. I love the gun--it shoots until I quit, accurate, never a malfunction.
ojibweindian
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I have about 1K rounds through my CZ75 without any extraction problems. I haven't had any problems, for that matter, other than running out of ammo at the range!
7677
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I've had two problems with my CZ 85 since I bought it in 1990. The first problem I had was with some Commie steel cased ammo that I was shooting broke the extractor just after I bought it. Ten years later and just over 20,000 rounds the extractor broke again. The new extractor does not like CCI blazer for some reason. Other then those two problems my Cz85 has given me 13 years of reliabilty. It seems like extractors tend to break in most types of pistols as I've replaced broken extractor's in Glocks and SIGs also.
drannor
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I read this thread on Saturday and mostly agreed with the folks who expressed doubt about the possibility of any design flaw in the CZ. My CZ75BD has been almost flawless in operation. Yesterday I went to the range and ran 200 rounds of Winchester White Box through it.
3 stove pipes.
I was unpleasently surprised. I probably have around 2500 rounds fired with this pistol. Never experienced this kind of problem. Taking the cleaning comments about the extractor to heart I went at it with my spray can of CLP. I cleared out some noticable gunk (bad on my part I know) but am not satisfied.
Does anyone have instructions for removing the extractor? Is this difficult? Advised? I'd like to make sure I really give a good cleaning. Help!
I love this pistol, easily the best value of any of the firearms I've purchased. I highly recommend the CZ75 to newbies (with the Kadet conversion) looking for a great multipurpose piece. In fact I've been jonesing for one of the nice Champion or SA type CZ's for a while now.
3 stove pipes.
I was unpleasently surprised. I probably have around 2500 rounds fired with this pistol. Never experienced this kind of problem. Taking the cleaning comments about the extractor to heart I went at it with my spray can of CLP. I cleared out some noticable gunk (bad on my part I know) but am not satisfied.
Does anyone have instructions for removing the extractor? Is this difficult? Advised? I'd like to make sure I really give a good cleaning. Help!
I love this pistol, easily the best value of any of the firearms I've purchased. I highly recommend the CZ75 to newbies (with the Kadet conversion) looking for a great multipurpose piece. In fact I've been jonesing for one of the nice Champion or SA type CZ's for a while now.
No. Drive pin out from the top, just until the spring pushes extractor loose (use a punch with a long shaft to avoid potential marring). Remove and clean. Seat spring place extractor in place, using another punch or pin to hold in place while driving the original pin back in place from the bottom, using a much larger diameter punch than it took to remove it, until flush. Use original punch to make adjustments in pin depth/position.
drannor
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Gracias. I'll work on it tonight and report if I see undue gunkage or less likely a warped or obviously defective part. Figuring it's the former right now.
Polish it up with a dremel, felt tip and jeweler's rouge (this removes bluing, so just do the back side of the hook), or 1000 grit sandpaper and elbow grease.
BTW, you'll need three hands to put the extractor back, or a vice with thick leather pads to secure the slide.
BTW, you'll need three hands to put the extractor back, or a vice with thick leather pads to secure the slide.
I have a CZ75 BD Police with FTE problems right not. I was told the pistol only had 200 rounds through it at the time I purchased it. Pistol looks brand new.
I got my first FTE after about 15 rounds of WWB. The case being extracted actually seperates from the extractor before it touches the ejector.
I did find out that the original owner decided to put an 18lb recoil spring to replace the 14lb factory spring, but this does not explain the problem I have.
It almost looks as thought the round at the top of the mag causes the case being extracted to cant upwards slightly, which in turn causes the case to become detached from the extractor and whala... I have a an unreliable hunk of metal.
I have ordered a new extractor spring, and factory strength recoil spring from Wolff.
And don't start hating on me because I traded a fairly new XDM 9mm for this CZ 75 BD Police w/ night sites.... I'm already regretting it.
I got my first FTE after about 15 rounds of WWB. The case being extracted actually seperates from the extractor before it touches the ejector.
I did find out that the original owner decided to put an 18lb recoil spring to replace the 14lb factory spring, but this does not explain the problem I have.
It almost looks as thought the round at the top of the mag causes the case being extracted to cant upwards slightly, which in turn causes the case to become detached from the extractor and whala... I have a an unreliable hunk of metal.
I have ordered a new extractor spring, and factory strength recoil spring from Wolff.
And don't start hating on me because I traded a fairly new XDM 9mm for this CZ 75 BD Police w/ night sites.... I'm already regretting it.
Ash
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It's mechanical, so it can happen. My guess is the extractor is out of spec in some way. I have shot CZ's for 13 years now and have not had the problem myself. And, given the lack of similar experiences, one can assume it isn't a design flaw but rather an aberration. Cleaning it then polishing it sounds like the best advice.
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Norinco982lover
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I never had any problems...
easyg
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I used to own a CZ75B SA .40 and it would frequently fail to extract the spent brass, even when it was clean.
I had two different gunsmiths attempt to fix the problem, but they could not.
I eventually traded to a guy who thought that he could solve the problem.
The last time I talked to him he had decided to send it back to CZ.
CZ makes good products, but every company has at least one bad one slip through the QC process.
I had two different gunsmiths attempt to fix the problem, but they could not.
I eventually traded to a guy who thought that he could solve the problem.
The last time I talked to him he had decided to send it back to CZ.
CZ makes good products, but every company has at least one bad one slip through the QC process.
Handyguy
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Good luck with resolution of your problem Synapse.
BlindJustice
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I've got 1700 or more through my CZ 75B in 9mm Luger
it's never had a FTE - extractor has never been removed.
mine left the factory Jan '08.
My shooting buddy had an FTE with his
Glock 19 the other day, he blamed it on his
handloads.
Poster never said what ammo he was using
Shrug
Randall
it's never had a FTE - extractor has never been removed.
mine left the factory Jan '08.
My shooting buddy had an FTE with his
Glock 19 the other day, he blamed it on his
handloads.
Poster never said what ammo he was using
Shrug
Randall
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Back from the dead thread. There have been a few here that are seeing new CZ owners with the problematic extractor springs that show up every once in a while.
NO gun or product is perfect. Yes, even a Glock can have problems.
With most CZs, it involves Winchester white Box or in my case..
Blazer ammo.
NO gun or product is perfect. Yes, even a Glock can have problems.
With most CZs, it involves Winchester white Box or in my case..
Blazer ammo.
It was relevant.... still is. You would think that all of the people who complain about not searching for old information before starting a new thread would be on here praising me. Instead, someone complains about not starting a new thread. I guess there will always be someone discontented with something.
BigJakeJ1s
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300 rounds through one pistol, and suddenly all CZ-75's have a "design flaw"...?
Several thousand rounds through mine with nothing more than routine cleaning (not paying any particular attention to the extractor), and mine is fine.
Andy
Several thousand rounds through mine with nothing more than routine cleaning (not paying any particular attention to the extractor), and mine is fine.
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