CZ 75 for W German Sig 228

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I might be able to swap a CZ 75 SP 01 for a West German Sig 228, box, papers, mags, with no rail. What are the advantages of the w german 228 vs the SP 01 9mm? Reliability, durability, ease to work on, parts, factory support? Thanks
 
I've had a number of CZs (still have a CZ and a nice "clone"), and have a W. German 228 (that had been to Gray Guns before i bought it).

Which feels best in your hands? If you haven't shot the 228, you need to do so before making your decision.

Hard choice -- but the answer would probably be dictated by how you think you'll use the gun most. If your long-term focus is range time or home defense, either would work, but the SP-01 MIGHT be a little better. If you are thinking about concealed carry the more compact and lighter P-228 would be better.

All the other traits, factory support, durability, etc., will be similar enough not to be an issue -- and you wouldn't have warranty coverage with a newly-acquired used gun, but neither is likely to need warranty coverage. After-market parts are available for both.
 
This CZ model makes for finer battering ram in every other way the SIG is better.
 
I have shot a Sig 229 9mm and that gun shot like a laser. It is a little thicker than my CZ 75, but I know I can put after market screw on thin grips on a 228.
 
The sp-01 ..is a better competition gun..its great for shooting fast cuz of weight and little muzzle rise..if u want a carry gun it is not it..but its very accurate and a pretty good trigger for a factory gun. .but in the long run only you can decide what fits you better
 
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Let me put it this way, I had the refurbed Sig 228 many years ago. I bought it bec of the raves about it but my mistake. MY hands were small and i find the grips too thick to my liking. Traded it for a Glock 23. I ve been happy since then.
 
Assuming the P228 is in at least decent shape DO IT while you can.

The P228 is a terrific pistol that feels like an extension of my hand. The P228 is also known for it's great reliability, durability, trigger, and accuracy. SIGs, IMO, are very easy to do self service on and parts are widely available.

Nice P228s are getting harder and harder to come by.

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Since 228s are no longer on a production line, has parts availability begun to get a little thin?

For the poster who mentioned thick grips, there is (was) a gent at Hoage who diamond checkered the OEM plastic pebbled surface panels. Measured circumference wasn't changed much. How it felt in my hands though was a major attention grabber. I can't explain it unless the diamond checkering recesses offer more space for fat palms to dig in a little bit deeper.

salty
 
I've had time to RETHINK my earlier reply -- which I think is still valid: shoot one, if you haven't already done so, before you decide.

You may still be able to find a "Certified Pre-owned" 228 from a dealer, and I've seen quite a few used 228s available. (I bought mine about 15 months ago.)

But, all that said, I think you'll having no trouble finding another SP-01 later, if you feel lost without one, but that may not be the case with the P-228.



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Man, I would have made the trade on 3/21/2012!
No rails on a Sig is a huge plus.
Grips too fat? Get a Hogue Extreme Aluminum or G10 checkered grips. Or, get a short (thin) trigger.
Parts? Are widely available.
 
Since 228s are no longer on a production line, has parts availability begun to get a little thin?
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Not in the least bit. Also almost all the parts are shared with other SIG models such as the P226 and P229. The barrel is the same as that for the 9MM P229. I keep the SIG parts replacment kit for my SIGs which has the common springs, screws, and pins and ir MUCH more economical that ordering individually as needed especially considering shipping charges.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig_p228-9mm_parts-kit.html

Carbon steel folded slide SIGs, such as the P228, do need periodic maintenance which includes changing the recoil spring and breach block pins every 5000 rounds (many do 3000 rounds) in order to insure reliability and long life of the pistol. Of course alloy frame SIGs also need to be run "wet" to insure long life of the frame rails using a quality lube or grease.
 
Parts are widely available, the vast majority of the parts are the same between the 228 and 229. The main difference between the two is the slide manufacturing (folded carbon steel vs machined stainless) which means no roll pins for the breech block, but trigger and other internals should be interchangeable.

Sig 228s can also accept the e2 grips which actually makes the grip size slightly smaller than that of the standard 225 (single stack) grips.

(SIG discontinued civilian sales for a while, a few years back, because they were cranking them out for police and military buyers. I don't know whether they'd ever turn that line back on -- or just push the newer guns in their catalog.)
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Sig discontinued sales of the 228 when they decided to offer the 229 in 9mm instead of just .40 and .357 Sig. They only continued producing 228s because they had outstanding contracts with the US military for M11s (military designation of the 228) and other militaries around the world. I really wish Sig would reintroduce the 228 with the folded carbon slide, but I highly doubt that will happen when they already have an almost identical gun in their sales lineup. I love my 228 and think it is one of the best guns Sig has ever produced, but I'm not holding my breath for its reintroduction.

OP, I would recommend making the switch if the Sig fits well in your hand. It is an outstanding pistol.
 
228 and vulgar vocabulary

Roll pins nested within roll pins are the equilavent of international conspiracy.

My 228 has been on your bench before. It was sent there in basket case configuration after three days of cussing, viewing, re-viewing video, and reading.

One of the interesting things read was a comment that said, 'even our Certified Sig Armorers iccasionally have difficulty putting 228 slides together'.

The overhaul from Sig and the aftermarket short trigger and shorter reset make for a hellofa 9X19.

This paticular 228 might make you want to throw rocks at a CZ.

salty
 
Two COMPLETELY different pistols. What do you want, a stellar hi-cap, large range gun/service pistol with accuracy much better than the Sig, or a semi-compact carry pistol?

The Sig P228 is a fine all around 9MM, but it compares more to the CZ PCR or P-01 than SP-01. However, my P228 is not as accurate nor as easy to carry as my PCR. It is slightly larger, blocky, with an annoyingly high bore axis. My CZ's run rings around it at the range, are equally as reliable, more accurate and easier with follow up shots.

If you want that type of gun, maybe a trade for a PCR is in order? Whomever is getting your SP-01 is getting a great deal.
 
I have owned SIG's (220's in 9mm and 45, as well as 225 and P6) and would keep the CZ as you are the first and only owner versus the used SIG. SIG's are great guns, but so are CZ's. When it came to what the Swiss themselves build, the Swiss build CZ-based guns, the Germans build SIG's other than the 210, which if you think about it, has more in common, design-wise, with the CZ than it does with the later SIG/Sauer (no, I don't rank the CZ on the same level as the 210).

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Two COMPLETELY different pistols. What do you want, a stellar hi-cap, large range gun/service pistol with accuracy much better than the Sig, or a semi-compact carry pistol?
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That may be your experience with your P228 but I have found mine to be at LEAST as accurate in my hands as my Son's SP 01 that I have fired quite a bit. The P228 is also well known to be an extremely accurate pistol. IF there is a difference in mechanical accuracy between the SP01 and the P228 it is minimal. One may prefer a larger and heavier pistol for range use but the P228 in a compentent shooters hands can do just as well. There are also 17 round Mecgar magazines available for the P228.
 
I like how people as what should I do with my gun...its your gun man do with it what you want...I also like how people tell you what to get..get what u can shoot with the best accuracy..if your wanting resale value...probably the sign a cz has only been in the US since the 90s and not as many people know what they are and are more likely to buy a sig
 
An opinion is one thing...telling someone to do something is another....if he wants someone to tell him what to do then I say keep the cz and never look back
 
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