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Sorry, but all the savages have the problems. I never said the bolt sticks, though.

I can pick up any one at any gun shop and duplicate each and every problem 100% of the time and have done so many times.

Anyone who doesn't see it, well, some people have different standards and observational skills, I guess.
 
Well guys cant post pics dont own a camera. However a new CZ455FS has my name on it ;). Never owned anything with a mannlicher style stock. Pretty sure im hooked.
 
Sorry, but all the savages have the problems.
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Sorry but mine doesn't. Funny how that works. My trigger has never locked up. I guess I'm not holding my tongue right or something. And you mentioned working the bolt with one finger and how "they" lock up. Where I went to school you only get one object of the sentence and if you use "they" it means the noun in the sentence.

They will ALL lock up if you work the bolt with one finger while shouldered.
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"They" has to refer to the bolt since that's the only noun in the sentence. It's called grammar. Sorry I didn't understand that you didn't use it correctly. It's called a reflexive pronoun and it must refer back to another word in the sentence. I don't care if you use correct grammar or not BTW. I'm just telling you why I thought you were referring to the bolts.
 
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All gun makers have some problems with some or all models. Some more than others. Just because one person has had problems with a particular model does not mean that everyone else has had that problem or any problem with that model.

I think the CZ and Savage are both good shooters as a whole. Some will find a CZ that will outshoot a savage and vise versa. Each person will prefer a particular model due to materials used in production or fit and finish.

To me, I think the fit and finish award goes to the CZ. I prefer the CZ over the Savage. Own a handful of the CZ's and currently looking for another. But, that is my personal opinion. From the Savages I have handled in the stores, I have not seen anything that says to me "I like that better than my CZ".
 
You're right that the CZ's are better when it comes to fit and finish viking. It really isn't even close to be honest. I've seen very few complaints about CZ's as a whole. I just happened to get one that had several problems. But it shoots great and the problems have all been fixed except for the soft stock. I still wouldn't take my money back on the rifle or even come close to doing such a thing.
 
CZ-the small difference in price will be long gone when the lifetime of quality is enjoyed. They make guns that capture the best of the good old days at a very reasonable price.

Side by side there really is no comparison.

It is unfortunate that Ruger has priced themselves out of the market with the 77/22, it is a fine rifle at perhaps twice the price of the CZ or Savage.

Really nice rimfire bolt actions are as scarce as hen's teeth today.
 
I don't know about that jungle. I sorta like the added accuracy of my Savage. Sure sometimes the CZ's are more accurate but just as often they aren't. There's a lot to be said for accuracy for as cheap as possible. And the Savages aren't all that bad anyway. They just aren't as nice as the CZ's. To be honest I tend to think that the looks of a gun are overrated when it comes to the value of a gun. I don't buy them to look at. If I wanted something to look at I'd buy some art. I want something that's going to put holes in stuff and put them where I want them. As far as function goes my Marlin XT beats either one of them. It just isn't as accurate as the Savages and the CZ's. But it is one smooth operator. It's pretty accurate too but the Savages and CZ's are very accurate for what you pay for IMO. I could make the same argument you made about a Sako too BTW. It's well worth the price of one to get the added accuracy IMO. Same goes for Anschutz. Some people will pay big money for a really beautiful rifle like a Cooper. I'm not one of those. I'd rather have a plastic stock on a Anschutz and be able to shoot consistent groups all day long. I like nice looking rifles too. I just don't really like paying for looks. Again I'd pay for art if I just wanted to look. I'm not talking modern art BTW. I like folk art to be honest and I have my share of that too. I have a quilt that's probably worth more than all my firearms combined. That's not exactly my thing but my aunt made it and she was quite famous for her work. I prefer wood carvings and the like. I have some of those too. Then there's architecture produced by people who do their own work. I like traditional log cabins and well done modern cabin type structures. I built one myself. I worked on many more. A friend of mine restores 200 year old log cabins. Now that's something to see. I do like a classic steel and wood rifle to hang over the mantle but I like rifles that shoot well whether they look good or not. I have a safe full of those.
 
Really nice rimfire bolt actions are as scarce as hen's teeth today.
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Not really, Anschutz and Cooper make fine modern rimfires that shoot as good as they look. Whether or not you choose to pay their asking price is going to be a personal matter.

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Own several of both and have posted before....CZ is the GMC...Savage is the Chevy...just thought Id give a visual idea of the the guns. Both are great, yes savage is accurate, Cz is too, but depends on what you want me I own 3 savages and 5 cz's...overall Cz has better quality control and you can manipulate the trigger to what you want it to be easily...yes the savage too but cz makes it easy. I will take 1/2" groups with all or less at 50 yds both with CCI SV. Either will do well CZ will feel better,but savage will keep up...yes.

.........here we go...thought I'd keep it short and sweet though....
 
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Hmmmm, well if we're going to go down that road, I'll kick this out to "enliven" the discussion, having owned both you understand.

On the one hand we have a Suzuki GSX600 (Savage), and on t'other we've got a Ducati 848EVO (CZ). Yeah, the Duc costs a little more, but look what ya get!

:D 900F
 
I owned the Savage .22lr and bought a CZ 452 American in .22lr. I had them both for about 4 weeks. I still own the CZ. Have since bought more CZ.
 
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Hmmmm, well if we're going to go down that road, I'll kick this out to "enliven" the discussion, having owned both you understand.

On the one hand we have a Suzuki GSX600 (Savage), and on t'other we've got a Ducati 848EVO (CZ). Yeah, the Duc costs a little more, but look what ya get!

:D 900F
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How about Savage = Camaro ZL1 CZ= Cadillac CTS-V?
 
Good buy on the CZ. I own a Savage Mark II and the CZ452 and the CZ is much more accurate...and with every load I've tried.
 
Hoofan;

We're tryin' to keep the money for the vehicles kinda comparable to the guns. Which is why I went to the bikes. Sub-10K gets you the Soozer and some pretty dang good performance too. Sub 10 in the automotive world these days gets you a used Yugo, which isn't fair to the Savage. OTOH, that Camaro is a helluva car but its price in the automotive marketplace isn't where the Savage's is in the firearms marketplace.

I had to do a fair amount of work to my Savage to make it a reliable 80 yard gun. Once I did the ammo testing on the CZ, it's been a 100 yard gun. The targets being a small varmint we have a lot of around here. I didn't mind paying the extra for the better gun. Just like I didn't mind the cost of aquiring the Ducati. And, I'll freely admit that the Duc costs more to maintain than the CZ, but OMG the grin factor is outrageous!

:D:D 900F
 
I read about CZ's being about as good as you could get for the money. I ordered a 453. What I had read was 100% correct. It is one of my favorite 22 rf's and I prefer it to the Anschutz 1416 that it sits next to.
 
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Not really, Anschutz and Cooper make fine modern rimfires that shoot as good as they look. Whether or not you choose to pay their asking price is going to be a personal matter.
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Sorry, I thought we were talking about CZ/Savage price range rifles.

For Cooper money/wait time there is a whole wide range of possibilities.
 
Kyhunter, you made a good choice with the CZ. I assume you will mount a scope on it. In most cases, you need to mount the scope a little higher above the bore than other 22 rifles due to the bolt throw.

I own a Mark II and like it very much. Maybe I'm not so picky. I do prefer my Remington 547, but gee wizz... just a bit of cost difference.
 
Im looking for .22 magnum especially.
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I have a CZ 452 Varmint in 22wmr and really like it. Very well built and is like a nice quality centerfire rifle. I also have a Savage MkII BV in 22lr. Love the accutrigger on this one.

In my experience, you can't go wrong with either. But I'd definitely go for a wood or laminate stock on the Savage. Their polymer stocks are no darn good. Very flimsy. The CZ's wood work and metal work are top notch.
 
The CZ's wood work and metal work are top notch.
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I don't think they are "top notch". They are very good but not the best. Cooper makes about the best looking rifle I've seen. Anschutz makes the best shooters unless you want to look at custom built 40X rifles from a long time ago. Other custom built rifles obviously work great too.

But again I had rust on my 453. I didn't do anything wrong with it either. No water, strain, stripping finish, whatever. I put some common gun oil on it and in a couple of months I started seeing rust spots. I have never seen them on my Savage. Heck I have a Stevens from 1951 that doesn't ahve any rust on it.

I did get the rust to stop by using a different oil but it shouldn't have done that. And for the record the trigger guards are pretty rough. They are too wide and they have too many sharp edges.

Still I wouldn't sell mine for $100 more than I paid for it.
 
The CZ's wood work and metal work are top notch.
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You are right referring back to the OP...CZ, hands down has better wood work and metal. That is also why they are a bit more...but not much.
 
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