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CZ82 why a C&R now?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Flyboy73, Apr 6, 2007.

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  1. Flyboy73

    Flyboy73 Member

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    I see that the CZ82 is a C&R gun now. Why the change? I don't think the gun is over 50 years old. More like 20 some odd years i believe. My order from AIM was placed yesterday. Had been looking at them for a while. Just curious as why it made the list.


    Brion
     
  2. tinygnat219

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    I called them to ask about it and got a wierd answer, that it was the importer who receives the "ok" from the BATF and the importer will pass the "news" on. When I asked SOG about it, they still have it listed as Non-C&R, they stated that they hadn't heard anything about it. Nevertheless, I placed my order with AIM too. If they have something that says it's ok, it's good enough for me.
     
  3. LiquidTension

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    I'm thinking about ordering one from AIM as well. They already have my C&R on file, I like CZs. Thing is, I just spent a TON of money on other gun related stuff and I have absolutely NO use for the thing. Sucks to have an addiction.
     
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    The gun doesn't have to be 50 years old. That's only one of the possible qualifications. Yugo SKS aren't 50 years old, neither are EG Makarovs.

    It just has to be unique and collectible in the opinion of the BATF.
     
  5. Flyboy73

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    I wouldn't think they would C&R a high cap pistol. Maybe because of the not so common 9mm Mak round?


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  6. GVMan

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    Watcha talking about

    Sound like all of you know what your talking about but I haven't a clue. Please enlighten me, what is a C&R gun and what is AIM?

    Thanks
     
  7. Flyboy73

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    C&R is a Curio and relic firearm. We are taking about a Curio and relic federal firearms licience. BAsicely if you have a C&R FFL you can get guns classfied as C&R by the ATF shipped to your door. Also you can get discounts at places like midway USA, gun parts, etc.

    AIM is AIM surplus www.aimsurplus.com a company that sells surplus firearms.

    a C&R FFL is one of the best kept secerts around and is a great deal IMHO.

    Brion
     
  8. mrmeval

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    Curio determination.

    Relic determination is already spelled out as 50+ years old though getting particulars documented might be a good idea if there is any question of the guns history.

    A Curio can be any firearm. The .44 Automag is now a Curio. If a gun maker goes completely out of business, has their factory bombed to non-existence, or the gun has not been made for some time you can get a ruling. You can get a ruling for _one specific gun_. If you had a modern gun owned by a President or a Rawk star you should be able to get it listed as a Curio with the submission of paperwork and waiting.

    This list the ATF publishes is for Curios and Relics that this determination has been made otherwise a relic does not have to be specially listed if they are 50+ years old.

    http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...ccess.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/aprqtr/27cfr478.26.htm

    Code of Federal Regulations]
    [Title 27, Volume 2]
    [Revised as of April 1, 2005]
    From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
    [CITE: 27CFR478.26]

    [Page 31]

    TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

    CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
    DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

    PART 478_COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION--Table of Contents

    Subpart C_Administrative and Miscellaneous Provisions

    Sec. 478.26 Curio and relic determination.

    Any person who desires to obtain a determination whether a
    particular firearm is a curio or relic shall submit a written request,
    in duplicate, for a ruling thereon to the Director. Each such request
    shall be executed under the penalties of perjury and shall contain a
    complete and accurate description of the firearm, and such photographs,
    diagrams, or drawings as may be necessary to enable the Director to make
    a determination. The Director may require the submission of the firearm
    for examination and evaluation. If the submission of the firearm is
    impractical, the person requesting the determination shall so advise the
    Director and designate the place where the firearm will be available for
    examination and evaluation.

    [T.D. ATF-270, 53 FR 10493, Mar. 31, 1988]
     
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    Sounds odd that some places are selling them as C&R and others are not. Is there any offical ruling from the BATFE? Since, I would hate to order one under my C&R license, then have some ATF agents at my door asking questions or even having to return it because someone jumped the gun.
     
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    Classic Arms says "WE HAVE A LETTER FROM BATF TECH BRANCH CONFIRMING THEIR C & R STATUS".
     
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    Is Classic arms a reputable dealer? I never heard of them before.
     
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    In that case I will have to give them some business.
     
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    Ordered a Excellent condition, Walnut K31 from Classic arms.
    It is HORRIBLE, stock is banged up, finish is worn off, mag is rusty.:(
    -My 'Shooter' from AIM is MUCH better.

    They do not have any to replace it with, but I will get my money back.

    Now I just need to find another..
     
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    Never had nothing but good luck with Classic Arms myself. They are a reputable and reliable dealer in the C&R world.
     
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    I don't know why they now consider it as a C&R, I am not registered with FAL Files so I can't view the PDF, but I don't see this gun listed on the BATFE C&R list or any of the updates. I know it is common knowledge that it is, but why wouldn't the BATFE list it anywhere, or am I not looking in the right place?
     
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    Many thanks for that link! I am printing out a copy for my records.
     
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