Daily Beast: Hillary Really Is Coming For Your Guns

[happygeek]

"Brady II" redefines "firearm" to include magazines and "any part of the action" (such as pins, springs, or screws). Thus, if a person has two Colt pistols, three Remington rifles, and four magazines (of any size) for each gun, then he own an "arsenal." Or if he owned two guns, six magazines, and a box of disassembled gun parts that contained five springs, five pins, and five screws, then he would own 23 "firearms" and would have to obtain an "arsenal" license."

Heck, I've known people in the Army who didn't even own a gun but had more than 20 mags at home with their gear between mags for the M16/M4 and the M9.

 

[TruthTellers]

TT, perfect assessment.

My wife is a liberal. She has other redeeming qualities or I wouldn't have married her, but she's a liberal. I always bounce things off of her to see what a true liberal would say. She supported Obama.

She will not vote for Hillary. She likes Bernie. I don't know anything about him but if she likes him I'm going to bet that Hilary's days are numbered.

Gun control will be activated or deactivated state by state. The do nothing congress won't entertain it and Hilary won't be the next president. She has already hit the wall or will very soon.

The Congress is filled with pansies of the largest bladders. They won't stand up for anything except whatever interest group funds their campaigns and the NRA is so powerful that an endorsement from them is make or break for politicians in red states.

I'm not a Democrat Socialist Islamist, but currently I actually like Bernie to some extent. Possibly because he's the alternative to the She-Beast or because in comparison to Shrillary, he genuinely seems to care about people more, which makes sense because it explains why he's still a socialist. Sanders is also from Vermont and he's definitely more understanding of gun rights. I obviously disagree with him about banning semi auto's and universal background checks, but Hilary is far and away so much worse on guns than Sanders.

I mean, Sanders is a complete loon who, without a government position, the best he could do would be flipping hot dogs on Muhlberry Street. However, the possibility of Bernie Bupkis as president puts me at ease because, since he's a white man, the testicles of the republicans in congress, which have long been withdrawn in fear from the appearance of a Black Muslim, will suddenly reappear, invigorated after a long hibernation of eight years.

When it ends up being Trump vs Sanders, it won't even be a contest. It'll be like Butterbean vs Mini Me from Austin Powers. Gun rights for people in free states will be secure for 4 years, but for those in states I've listed above, it's gonna get worse and only the supreme courts in those states, and the US Supreme Court, will be able to change their rights for the better.

 

[TruthTellers]

The anti's are focusing on the states. We lost Colorado, Washington State and Oregon to UBC and we must prevent that from happening again in other states as well.

Already "the next step" on the anti's agenda is the tax on guns and ammo in Seattle. And all this is happening without Hillary in office. They are doing this on a state by state level.

While I agree we must rally in the East Coast states, we also need to fight against Universal Background Checks in the rest of the so called free states.
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I think the UBC is a losing battle because the average voter will want to "feel safe" by having all gun sales go thru NICS. They'll understand that you want to buy a rifle from your Uncle, but "if you've nothing to hide, why oppose UBC?"

Typical liberal bullcrap that's been imprinted on the minds of the young and of the dumb.

So, UBC is going to happen IMO, but there needs to be a compromise before it's implemented so shooters can get something back. The compromise I would push for is to make all FFL transfers completely free; no more of this $25-$50 fee bullcrap. I would also try to lower the NFA tax stamps down to $5, the same as an AOW tax stamp, and try to make that process a lot easier. Oh, also, a national concealed carry reciprocity.

Try to get all three of those and even if we end up getting only one or two, it's still better than nothing.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Bernie scares me because he's not going full bore on gun control. People on both sides of the aisle will look at him as moderate, appealing and has a "common sense" approach to the issue. Someone like him will gain bipartisan support faster and easier than Hillary. She's full throttle anti gun, and her over the top approach will alienate what few moderate Democrats there are remaining. There are plenty of Red state Democrats who are terrified of her because their own jobs will be at risk.

At this point in the game, too many people, black, white, hispanic, asian or otherwise, are getting keen on the idea of self protection. Crime may be down across the board, but thanks to social and liberal media, crime reporting, fear-mongering and sensationalizing is WAY up.

Police chiefs are encouraging citizens to defend themselves (with the unspoken admission that there simply aren't enough police to do it for you), and at least in some cities (Detroit) the people are listening, and crime is noticeably falling. Of course, some of it is spilling over to other parts of the state, as we've seen in Jackson, Muskegon, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids just to name a few.

My state is a solid mass of purple when it comes to voting habits, something I actually appreciate because it shows Michiganders vote issues, not party lines. The fact that we can send two Democrats to the Senate, while re-electing a Republican Governor and keeping Republicans in the state senate says a lot.

Sure, the electoral college gave our votes to Obama in the last two elections, but I think the tide is going to shift because people are finally coming around.

Universal background check laws have been on the books, to a large extent, here in Michigan for a long time. All handgun sales and transfers have required a background check, whether the sale is private and face-to-face, or purchased from an FFL. It used to be worse than it is now, but legislation is in the works to eliminate the hand gun registry, which makes the purchase permit redundant and without purpose. Eventually, if things go as they have been going for the past decade plus, our 2A ranking will go up and the Brady Bunch will hate us even more. We may have lost in Colorado, Washington and Oregon, but the fight is still on and being fought in great numbers with noncompliance.

Their only options going forward are repealing the law, or advancing it further to include 100% registration (which is the goal). Those states will be the battleground where we fight not only registration, but the concept of UBCs as a whole.

Anyway, bringing this back to Hillary, she's losing steam and facing the end of the line. She's being overshadowed by her numerous scandals, and being forgotten by the media in favor of the Charlie Foxtrot that is the GOP race. She's getting zero airtime or recognition; at best she's an afterthought.

Bernie... I don't know. I think he has a chance in beating Hillary. I trust him less than a bottle of murky Mexican tap water with a sign that says Coka-Cola.
At least with Hillary, she's showing her true colors. Sanders may just being a kooky old socialist who lost his comb, but he has some zany ideas and is a fresh air infusion to a party that's lately been smelling like a goat in an overcoat.

 

[HOOfan_1]

A "time out"? Oh yeah, that will surely work!
The POS who murdered the two reporters was PO'd still from having been fired from his network job here in Tallahassee, Fl. more than a year ago.
So, how long a time out do we really need?

Actually he was PO'd for having been fired from the Job in Roanoke over 2 years ago.

He was fired from the Job in Tallahassee in 2000

 

[grter]

Unless Bernie Sanders goes jogging in Fort Marcy Park, Hilary is dead meat in the nomination. The Clintons don't have a closet full of skeltons, they have a graveyard full of them. So, unless Bernie chokes on his toothbrush and croaks, Hilary is not winning.

Not that Bernie is much better than Hilary in his gun politics, but we know the Clintons track record with guns and it's probably worse than Obama's. Obama doesn't have the passion to deal with guns, it's too difficult for him to fundamentally change and if it requires any effort Lazy Barry isn't interested it.

The focus on limiting gun control is at the state level. Big cities and the states, especially in the Northeast and West coast, are filled with die hard anti gun legislators that want to take away 2A. LA just passed a ban on mags over 10 rounds, now that probably won't stand up in California court, but until it's struck down that's the law.

So, the focus needs to be on states because the NRA is a powerful lobby and has a good grasp on Capitol Hill and right now, we are winning on the national level. Now we need to rally in states like NY, NJ, MA, CA, CT, HI, and IL.

I strongly disagree with Obamas views and gun control but please don't use words like Lazy Barry lacks the passion.

I have to give him credit for at least aknowleging that a majority of the American people are against his strict gun control proposals.

The huge successful sales of large amounts of firearms and ammunition to the point where demand far outstripped supplies during the period when bans were being proposed has made a joke out of any claims that most Americans favor gun control.

If you just sit and let them do it to you and allow apologist lawyers to woo you into passivity so they can appeas polititians and their law firm bosses then you are going to get it.

Pro gunners need to be verbally active whenever possible about their wishes to not have their guaranteed constitutional rights stripped from them even if it may cause a stir.

The reality is a lot of good people are already in jail and facing hard time due to gun purges that have done absolutely nothing to reduce violence.

Lives destroyed for absolutely no reason at all. Now is not the time to be civil about contitutional rights.

I may have actually voted for Hillary Clinton if not for her irrational extreme gun control angenda. I know this may be a little off topic too but that nuclear deal with Iran is insane and I would have to be insane to support it.

 

[Midwest]

I think the UBC is a losing battle because the average voter will want to "feel safe" by having all gun sales go thru NICS. They'll understand that you want to buy a rifle from your Uncle, but "if you've nothing to hide, why oppose UBC?"

The eventual problem with UBC is how are you going to PROVE you acquired a firearm in a private sale before UBC? No one could, unless you have "proof" that you processed it through the UBC? Well gee, now how can that be accomplished?

Someone (the anti's) will come up with a solution to fix this. For six months under a program (cleverly) called "The Firearms Protection Act" everyone will be required to take all their firearms in their possession down to the processing center and have them registered (for free) under the UBC through an FFL and they will be entered into a national database and they will get a little ID card for their firearm and this would provide "proof" that the firearm went through the UBC. After all it is an reasonable request, you have nothing to hide? Eh?

It's to protect the owner (cough, cough) from false allegations that a firearm was never registered. It would provide 'proof' that the owner owns it free and clear. That is why they called it the "The Firearms Protection Act". You say to your self, "well it's not THAT bad like Australia or the UK".

However, after six months the amnesty will end, any firearms that did not get registered and have no ID card cannot be sold, or transferred and have to be turned in and destroyed by the government. But existing firearms that were registered under the "The Firearms Protection Act" are 100% legal and untouchable by the government. You say to yourself, "..my guns are protected...what a relief"

A year later they will make another ruling that says you must be licensed in order to keep registered guns. You protest, but then you realize the license is "free" and they are giving everyone six months to get licensed. You say "I guess it is not that bad"....

So now they license all gun owners and they have the list of registered firearms under their license. While the license is free the fingerprinting, the digital photographs, the LEO sign off, the 25 point background check and the four character references all did seem a little over the top. But (whew!) you are good to go and now you are really legal now and everything is properly documented. What a relief? eh?

A few months after that ruling, some nut goes on some shooting escapade and the now the government demands that certain classes of firearms must be turned into the government. Now we are really screwed...Think Australia and all those guns that were crushed and destroyed.

How would they enforce all of this? Through the IRS confiscation laws. Don't comply, they will take your house, your car and throw you in jail for a few years. Think I am exaggerating?

I read their proposals, I read what they said. I also studied what they did in other countries as well. And don't think that it can't happen here. One or two really bad administrations (worse than Bill Clinton) could end our gun rights...as we know it.

Did I scare anyone? Did I get you thinking? Good!

We should NEVER accept Universal Background Check laws. The fine citizens of Washington state were sold down the river by out of state big money interests with I-584, as were Colorado and Oregon. And if we are not careful, it will happen in our state and in our country too.

We should never accept the fact that Universal Background Checks as inevitable, rather we should fight it tooth and nail as wholly unacceptable. We need to fight this at both the state level and the national level.
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[Shanghai McCoy]

Not just Hillary.
Senator Claire McCasskil, Mo., was on the KC news this morning complaining that the police in this country are forced to work against the most heavily armed population (she didn't say criminals...) in the world.

 

[grter]

Work "against" the most heavily armed population in the world.

That is an insult to every law abiding firearm owner who works hard to provide a roof on his head for himself and his/her family in addition to paying taxes that support her most likely outlandish salary.

What is she proposing that we all be labeled as criminals jailed or shot on site if we don't politely agree with her extremist views and quietly surrender rights that are ours under the constitution.

I doubt she even thinks the constitution is important and obiously history's lessons as well.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

I've been trying to find a transcript from todays radio comments so I'm not exactly sure she said "against" but she definitely did not use the word "criminals" ...

 

[HOOfan_1]

Work "against" the most heavily armed population in the world.

That is an insult to every law abiding firearm owner

It's an insult to the Constitution. If she honestly feels the police should be working against the US population, then she apparently doesn't understand what our Constitutional Government is supposed to be.

 

[SSN Vet]

Anyway, bringing this back to Hillary, she's losing steam and facing the end of the line. She's being overshadowed by her numerous scandals, and being forgotten by the media in favor of the Charlie Foxtrot that is the GOP race

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Never underestimate the Clinton's. Hillary and Teflon Bill slipped away clean from all of his crimes (White Water, Travel Gate, File Gate, etc...). The left loves them and will overlook any and every one of their crimes, so long as they tow the liberal social policy line.

Hillary will raise from the ashes of the e-mail scandal.... just wait and see.

 

[barnbwt]

"If she honestly feels the police should be working against the US population, then she apparently doesn't understand what our Constitutional Government is supposed to be."

Conversely, perhaps she knows exactly what our Constitutional Government is preventing her from achieving. I've since lost the belief that the highest ranking and most experienced anti's are anything but budding tyrants who secretly --for now-- work toward our doom. The term used to be 'little Hitlers' for the various and assorted fascist strong-men that popped up in backwaters post-war.

TCB

 

[USAF_Vet]

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Never underestimate the Clinton's. Hillary and Teflon Bill slipped away clean from all of his crimes (White Water, Travel Gate, File Gate, etc...). The left loves them and will overlook any and every one of their crimes, so long as they tow the liberal social policy line.

Hillary will raise from the ashes of the e-mail scandal.... just wait and see.

I'm not seeing that. I'll admit I have a couple friends and family members that are hard core left. Before Sanders threw his hat in, they were died in the wool Klinton supporters, ready to send her to the White House "because it was her turn". Each and every one of them has flipped their script and is supporting Sanders. They've all said she is toxic. She's losing the support of the people, even die hard feminists. Her record, moreso than her scandals, they see as more closely aligned with the GOP (voted to go to war, supported the Patriot Act, the NDAA, gun running, etc.) than with her fellow Democrats.

They would send her to the White House 'because it was her turn' only because there wasn't a better option. Now that they've gotten a better option, their sense of fair play has been abandoned.

 

[Ignition Override]

Are the Clintons more "rabidly anti-gun" than B. Hussein O.?

Maybe they are, but when BHO was elected, many gun owners acted based on their assumptions that his 'political capital' was unlimited, even they must have heard somewhere about his desire for universal health care, affordable or not.

Astute gun owners I know realized (in '08-'09) that a new president has only so much political pull. We watched the panic around us.

If Hillary gets elected, would she be willing to spend most of her initial 'political capital' on anti-gun bills (excluding a simultaneous mass tragedy), at the expense of a different major legislative initiative which would appear to help people in a different manner?

 

[USAF_Vet]

For all the things BO is, one thing he is not, is stupid. As a lame duck with a GOP majority in Congress, he knows what he can and cannot get away with. The only reason he's gotten away with so much is because the GOP lost it's spine and forgot what a political majority in Congress can actually do. They toe Obama's red line, wherever it may be, and whether or not it's actually his, out of fear of being labeled a racists, or worse, a Patriot.

The GOP race is evidence of the Establishment Republicans V. Libertarians V. Trump. It's a mess, and may very well hand the Dems the White House for four, eight, twelve, sixteen plus years because their house isn't nearly as divided as the GOP.

Remember Romney? As a moderate Republican, he admitted he would support a new AWB if it had bipartisan support. Obama didn't want to focus on the issue until he had nothing left to lose and very little political capital left. He pushed through his legacy, and is now pandering to his base on other issues that he lacks the support to get through.

If Klinton or Sanders pick up that ball and run with it, either may have the pull to score the touchdown, or at least get through for a field goal attempt. Obama is punting it away and hope there is another Democrat in the WH to catch it. We get an Establishment Republican elected, who knows which way he will run with it. We get a Libertarian elected, he will most likely run it the other way. I don't know what would happen if Trump gets elected.

As far as Klinton goes, I don't trust her, but at least I know what she's attacking and how she'll probably do it. The enemy you know is easier to fight and defeat than the unknown enemy. We don't really know Sanders' tactic on how he would approach gun control. The same goes for the Establishment Republicans in the GOP. Jeb Bush or Chris Christie gets elected... I know Christie would support New Jersey style gun regulations nationwide. Bush, that dynasty just needs to Die Nasty!

 

[evan price]

Never forget that universal background checks, as a system, are impossible to implement without total registration. Nobody knows who owns what, so there is no way to prove UBC was violated.

And that registration, whenever implemented in history, is always followed by confiscation.
Period, stop.

 

[Midwest]

Even if Sanders or Hillary don't win the election. There is still "Moms Demand Attention", the Bloomberg State Capitol "Meet the Legislators" Bus Tour, the "Gabby Tour", "Everytown", Mainstream Media's "Lets Twist The Facts", and of course "Big Out of State Money for UBC's" to contend with.
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[USAF_Vet]

Exactly, which is why I believe there is still a fight to be fought, regardless of who gets elected. We're not fighting this in Washington D.C., but in our home states. Those are the battle grounds against UBCs, and the inevitable registration they bring.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Even if Sanders or Hillary don't win the election. There is still "Moms Demand Attention", the Bloomberg State Capitol "Meet the Legislators" Bus Tour, the "Gabby Tour", "Everytown", Mainstream Media's "Lets Twist The Facts", and of course "Big Out of State Money for UBC's" to contend with.

"Big out of state money for UBC's" is 10 million dollars made available to local legislators or initiative promotions to hijack an election. A monetary blitzkrieg of sorts. Look at how WA and OR was overrun with outside money and you will see how it works. Money buys a lot of legislation and votes.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

^^^
Money buys ALL the legislation and votes these days...

 

[Ignition Override]

Does any of this make private FTF deals more attractive than they were years ago? Years from now the govts. (every state and federal) will probably know about every gun purchase--both private and retail--which are made after more unnecessary laws are passed.

Only familiarity with the gun and common sense are needed for a personal deal, if living in a free state.
Only three of my multiple handguns were bought in retail businesses. As for the rifles, about half were retail.

 

[Partizanai]

Hillary's almost done.....

While I always feel that firearms owners should keep a close eye on
all "Liberal/Socialists", this one is about to fall. She made the mistake of
trashing those who proudly serve and protect America.
This will be her ultimate undoing. Where do people think all this drip, drip
of intel is actually coming from- anyway? I believe that they will allow her
to stumble along for a few more months and then it's over for her chance
to become the first female president. This is of course only my opinion.
As a Maryland resident, I can tell you that O'Malley is a weapons rights
hater of the very highest order. He is also a true Communist (like Bernie
Sanders..)
I see Joe Biden (with Obama's full support) entering soon and winning
their nomination. He is their "Useful Fool". He will not win against the
America that now rising up to defeat - whatever/whomever the Dem's
throw our way.....
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[Onmilo]

If any of you think Trump is the answer to Clinton you better start doing your homework.

 

[Ignition Override]

Onmilo: maybe so, but let's not forget to keep guns the primary subject here, or the topic will go into "rigor mortis".