Daily Beast: Hillary Really Is Coming For Your Guns

[Onmilo]

Onmilo: maybe so, but let's not forget to keep guns the primary subject here, or the topic will go into "rigor mortis".

It's ALL about the guns.
Trump is quoted as wanting to ban assault rifles.
Mind you, in typical Trump fashion, he does not elaborate on what he considers an assault rifle or even if he is capable of differentiating a Colt Single Action Army revolver from an M4 carbine.

 

[mboylan]

I'm sure the current President feels exactly the same way. There is not much either can do about it. Executive Orders are not blank checks. They are law enforcement policies for existing laws. Immigration laws give the Executive branch a huge amount of flexibility and power. Gun control laws are very specific and do not.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Yes it is "All about the guns..." for us as gun owners.
But, that is just our issue and with recent events being in the news it might just end up more in the forefront with both parties.
And ,as always, this election will be about other issues as well and those issues and future events will influence the voters.

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

If Trump is the best the GOP can do, it's a sorry, sorry state of affairs for the GOP. I'm hoping a guy like Ted Cruz gets the bid for the GOP and he uses the Latino vote to get into office.

 

[boatdoc173]

Yep, for those not aware, the Clintons are rabidly anti gun.

wasn't the term ASSAULT RIFLE is attributed to Mr Bill?

 

[boatdoc173]

Elizabeth warren has it right. The Potus is just a mouthpiece these days. The Potus and Congress serve the 1%ers. If you are not a 1%er--you do NOT matter(her words +her reason for nOT running). their $$ , their agenda--done deal

BUT enough $$ flowing from our lobbies toward the right people in congress and we get to block their attacks on us.. such is the way things go in DC these days(support of the nRA and Goa is our best bet to keep what we have)

 

[Deanimator]

wasn't the term ASSAULT RIFLE is attributed to Mr Bill?

No, that can be largely attributed to Adolf Hitler.

It refers to a specific set of criteria:

1. handy size and configuration
2. chambered for an intermediate cartridge (7.92x33mm, 7.62x39mm, 5.56x45mm, etc.)
3. capable of selective fire

NONE of the firearms banned under the Clintons met the third criterion, and many didn't meet the second.

I don't know who invented the term "assault WEAPON" (possibly Josh Sugerman?), but THAT term has NO fixed meaning and only refers to whatever firearm or firearms any member of the anti-gun cult wants to BAN at any given instant. In other words, it has no meaning AT ALL.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

What can we do?

We can work with whomever we can to affect what change we can.

You wouldn't believe what a Clinton supporter my wife was back in the day. On ANYTHING, including Bill's infidelities. A lot of things have changed with her in the last 20+ years. And we have three teens who clearly see the dangerous stupidity much of the government is pushing.

That's four people.

It would be a long stretch to call my wife a Republican (she's pretty much anti-authority all the way around...makes for an interesting marriage), but she's VERY right wing in her beliefs.

Co-workers, friends, family should be our first concern in our personal lives. Never underestimate the power and influence of these people when you have daily interactions to help build their own understandings.

From there, build your influence wisely as you see fit and within what means you have to spare.


We don't all have to "go big" on this. But we all should do our own little part, bit by bit.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Does any of this make private FTF deals more attractive than they were years ago? Years from now the govts. (every state and federal) will probably know about every gun purchase--both private and retail--which are made after more unnecessary laws are passed.

Only familiarity with the gun and common sense are needed for a personal deal, if living in a free state.
Only three of my multiple handguns were bought in retail businesses. As for the rifles, about half were retail.

In California if you want to buy a gun from a friend you have to do it through a FFL.

 

[old lady new shooter]

It's ALL about the guns.
Trump is quoted as wanting to ban assault rifles.
Mind you, in typical Trump fashion, he does not elaborate on what he considers an assault rifle or even if he is capable of differentiating a Colt Single Action Army revolver from an M4 carbine.

Do you have a cite for Trump advocating banning "assault rifles"?

The only thing I have seen about his position on firearms was a recent interview in which he said he owns a gun and has a concealed carry license. Then the "reporter" asked whether he goes to the range and he said he wasn't going to answer that.

 

[old lady new shooter]

If Trump is the best the GOP can do, it's a sorry, sorry state of affairs for the GOP. I'm hoping a guy like Ted Cruz gets the bid for the GOP and he uses the Latino vote to get into office.

I don't think Cruz is perceived as Hispanic by the Hispanic community. He doesn't even speak Spanish.

 

[TruthTellers]

If Trump is the best the GOP can do, it's a sorry, sorry state of affairs for the GOP. I'm hoping a guy like Ted Cruz gets the bid for the GOP and he uses the Latino vote to get into office.

You have to look at the bigger picture and the big picture is who can beat the choice of Hilary or Bernie? Let's run down some of the prospective opponents:

Jeb Bush- this guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'll say whatever to appease the masses, but serve his donors. Besides Christie, he's the one guy who would most certainty support bills to curtail the second amendment.

Ted Cruz- an unspectacular conservative. I would be comfortable with him and gun control laws and other things if he was elected president, but he can't beat Hilary. Even though he's Hispanic, he can't win the Hispanic vote.

Chris Christie- Could call him Flats Abombino for how flat and horrible his campaign has gone. He doesn't inspire confidence in me with his record on guns, no matter what he says, it's what he does and prior to his presidential run, he opposed measures to enhance people's second amendment rights. He opposes national reciprocity for concealed carry and he thinks there are too many guns already in his state and it's led to the violence in his horrible cities. He's the worst possible choice in the Republican field when it comes to guns and possibly all other issues.

Ben Carson- I like him. A Great person who is not a politican, but when the chips are down, can a guy with a lack of a killer instinct go head to head with Shrillary? He's been very pro 2A, but he's said before he doesn't believe people in cities should own semi automatic guns... which is exactly what Bernie Sanders believes. Not very inspiring, but he's far from the worst candidate the repubs have to offer. He is a Black man, and it's been shown that most minorities don't support the second amendment.

Trump- he's said he supports an assault weapons ban, but he's changed his mind on many issues over the years and decades, mainly from liberal stances to conservative stances. The past few years he's taken a staunch anti gun control stance and I think he'll maintain that posture for good. Besides, he's the only superstar the Republicans can field and the average moron voter will like his brashness compared to Hilary's yapping.

You can roll the dice on all the others and try to get a full 100 cents on the dollar for your bet. With Trump, you might get 80 cents on the dolloar, but he's like a 1:1 payout at the race track because he's a lock to win.

 

[Walkalong]

Trump is quoted as wanting to ban assault rifles.

Anytime folks talk about the rabid gun grabbers they always say the other person wants to take this or that. If you want to bet gun rights on Trump or Hillary.........where ya gonna put your dollar? Dang sure isn't Hillary. Total confiscation will be part of her agenda, and at worst outlawing "assault rifles" would be an afterthought with Trump. It wouldn't even get looked at in four years. The gun grabbers screams would fall on deaf ears as he was concentrating on more important issues.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Jeb Bush- this guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'll say whatever to appease the masses, but serve his donors. Besides Christie, he's the one guy who would most certainty support bills to curtail the second amendment.

Jeb Bush has a solid pro-RKBA record as Governor of Florida, not just words but in actions. What are you looking at historically that makes you feel he would support bills to curtail the Second Amendment?

 

[TruthTellers]

Jeb Bush has a solid pro-RKBA record as Governor of Florida, not just words but in actions. What are you looking at historically that makes you feel he would support bills to curtail the Second Amendment?

His last name is Bush.

 

[kwguy]

I know this is talking about the Presidential election, but let's not forget about Congress. That's the real reason why the stupid gun control legislation that the current president has been pushing for has not passed, or even gotten out of committee. The real power lies in Congress and who controls the committees.

 

[BobbyV]

Shouldn't she worry about not going to prison?

 

[Ignition Override]

Onmilo: Thanks for the reminder, as I could not remember seeing any of Trump's gun comments. My only point in the previous comment is that whenever we actually do end up with several consecutive political comments without the word 'gun', they usually get closed.

Maybe his views on guns are subject to change for the better, or worse, as is expected of so many politicians who suddenly change the wording of what are usually fairly vague comments about gun ownership in general-especially when an election begins to look very close as voting day approaches.

Old lady new shooter: Your comment about CA requiring an FFL for any gun deal between friends should be the main motivation for more people to take another look at doing FTF deals in the many states before this legal right disappears. Armslist (TN, IN, TX etc) can be a good source. An ad in THR led to the first deal in spring '08.

Some people either insist on a warranty, can't find any seller having a gun they want, or aren't don't realize that they can insist on meeting the buyer in a Sheriff's station (etc): SKS, WW2 Mauser Hsc, Russian Makarov, Bulgy Mak etc. McDonald's, Walmart, Target, Wendy's, behind Starbucks (who would imagine?) etc have been perfect places.

 

[TruthTellers]

She'll never go to prison. Not even for a Martha Stewart type stint. Someone else will go down for her and that'll be the end of that.

The worst thing is, all the stuff from 20 years ago, the media will never talk about. But if someone said they saw a pair of white sheets in Donald Trump's closet in 1963, oh boy, that story would never go away.

 

[wally]

I think the UBC is a losing battle because the average voter will want to "feel safe" by having all gun sales go thru NICS. They'll understand that you want to buy a rifle from your Uncle, but "if you've nothing to hide, why oppose UBC?"

Push back with "why not voter ID?" "why not proof of legal residency status for jobs or government benefits?"

 

[Walkalong]

His last name is Bush.

Not that I would likely pick him either, but care to actually answer Bart's question?

 

[TruthTellers]

Not that I would likely pick him either, but care to actually answer Bart's question?

He's owned by the same people that own the Clintons. The first sign of stress on gun control, he'll break to the left. The Democrat socialist islamist party has already gotten everything they want with Barry from Chicago, the only thing yet to be broken is guns. I swear that if there's a movement in congress to ban semi auto guns, Jebby isn't gonna stand in the way of that law. He's a complete moderate and cannot be trusted.

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

I don't think Cruz is perceived as Hispanic by the Hispanic community. He doesn't even speak Spanish.

He's a second generation Latino, his father (I believe) was an immigrant. I think he's got as good of a shot as any Republican to garner the support of the Latino community who are, for the most part, relatively conservative (on things like marriage, families).

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

You have to look at the bigger picture and the big picture is who can beat the choice of Hilary or Bernie? Let's run down some of the prospective opponents:

Jeb Bush- this guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'll say whatever to appease the masses, but serve his donors. Besides Christie, he's the one guy who would most certainty support bills to curtail the second amendment.

Ted Cruz- an unspectacular conservative. I would be comfortable with him and gun control laws and other things if he was elected president, but he can't beat Hilary. Even though he's Hispanic, he can't win the Hispanic vote.

Chris Christie- Could call him Flats Abombino for how flat and horrible his campaign has gone. He doesn't inspire confidence in me with his record on guns, no matter what he says, it's what he does and prior to his presidential run, he opposed measures to enhance people's second amendment rights. He opposes national reciprocity for concealed carry and he thinks there are too many guns already in his state and it's led to the violence in his horrible cities. He's the worst possible choice in the Republican field when it comes to guns and possibly all other issues.

Ben Carson- I like him. A Great person who is not a politican, but when the chips are down, can a guy with a lack of a killer instinct go head to head with Shrillary? He's been very pro 2A, but he's said before he doesn't believe people in cities should own semi automatic guns... which is exactly what Bernie Sanders believes. Not very inspiring, but he's far from the worst candidate the repubs have to offer. He is a Black man, and it's been shown that most minorities don't support the second amendment.

Trump- he's said he supports an assault weapons ban, but he's changed his mind on many issues over the years and decades, mainly from liberal stances to conservative stances. The past few years he's taken a staunch anti gun control stance and I think he'll maintain that posture for good. Besides, he's the only superstar the Republicans can field and the average moron voter will like his brashness compared to Hilary's yapping.

You can roll the dice on all the others and try to get a full 100 cents on the dollar for your bet. With Trump, you might get 80 cents on the dolloar, but he's like a 1:1 payout at the race track because he's a lock to win.

I'll take Cruz. And, how do you know he can't get the Latino vote? Just because he doesn't march around, thumping his chest about being Latino, does not mean that IF the GOP runs a good campaign promoting his Latino heritage, he cannot get elected.

At this point and time, a dead rat could beat Billary in the polls.

 

[TruthTellers]

I'll take Cruz. And, how do you know he can't get the Latino vote? Just because he doesn't march around, thumping his chest about being Latino, does not mean that IF the GOP runs a good campaign promoting his Latino heritage, he cannot get elected.

At this point and time, a dead rat could beat Billary in the polls.

I agree Hillary's dead meat against the right candidate with the killer instinct, but Cruz isn't hungry and doesn't have the will. Hilary will eat him like a chicken leg and spit him back out. Trump is hungry, is a brash New Yorker, and that's the type that's gonna beat the T-1000 known as Hilary Clinton.

The other thing is the people are tired of professional politicians who grovel to no end for votes and donations. Trump doesn't grovel and everyone can respect and admire that.