Daughter wants a gun for graduation

[Mr. Mysterious]

Couple questions....first what school will your daughter be going to? IUPUI?

Second...I was under the assumption that I could not carry at IUPUI as it is against Indiana law...

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.

Third: Take your daughter to Pops Guns...they are going to help her find the right gun without pressuring her to get something on a whim. They are straight shooters...

 

[Ky Larry]

Recoil is no more an issue for women than it is for men. I have a good friend whose daughter is 5'5''-115 lbs and drop dead beautiful. Since she was 16 ,she has borrowed my S&W Model 29 and filled her deer tag. She's 22 now and a senior in college.
My neice is 28 years old, 5'7,125 lbs and is a professional business woman. She CCW's a Glock 33 .357 SIG in a Galco SOB 2060. Every woman is built differently and dresses differently and has different personal defence needs. Since it's her life, let her pick what's right for her. Good luck.

 

[cordex]

Mr. Mysterious,
I'd ask El Tejon or another lawyer type, but as I understand it, carry at IUPUI is not against Indiana law. In fact, that's what their little orientation video says (or said a few years ago) too. Has something to do with its status as a semi-public secondary school or something.

The IUPUI prohibitions are against students and faculty (other than their private police force) carrying. This prohibition is contained in your student agreement. Get caught carrying and you'll get kicked out of school. I guess you have to weigh your priorities. I've weighed mine and made my choice.

FYI, the campus police department has a place for you to lock up your gun if you want. I've never used it, but that is an option.

Slow,
If your daughter carries, be sure she knows how to conceal well. Where's she going? Butler? IUPUI? Ivy Tech? University of Indianapolis?

 

[Slow]

In response to where my daughter will attend questions.... for privacy and concealment I'd rather not say. Thanks

 

[SteelyDan]

Funny you should ask, just tonight I was thinking for the first time about getting my daughter a handgun and what would be best for her. She's 19 and in her second year of college. My first thoughts were Makarov or baby-Glock in 9 mm. I would not recommend a S&W J-frame, because they're really not that easy to shoot unless you have big grips, which kind of defeats the purpose.

 

[cordex]

In response to where my daughter will attend questions.... for privacy and concealment I'd rather not say. Thanks

Fair enough. Just trying to provide more specific help for the rules and regulations she'll encounter.

 

[pendentive]

update?

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

Funny this pops up, I just e-mailed IUPUI police today on their policy...

To Whom It May Concern:



Hello, I am an IUPUI student and have a question concerning the IUPUI weapons and gun policy. I have seen conflicting information on the legality and the schools policy regarding this. Also, it may be of note that I am looking at this as a legal CCW holder, and not as illegally carrying a firearm.



The conflict that I see is that IN law does not permit carrying of a firearm by non-LEO unless it is just to pick up and drop off and in a car on school grounds. I have heard from others that IUPUI does not fall under this category because of numerous reasons (hospital, not entirely public, etc). I have also heard that it does fall under this category. The second problem that I have found is the inability to find IUPUI’s policy on weapons, the only policy that I am able to find is that in which covers employees and staff.



Also, what would the policy be, if any, on remote campus’s such as classes in the art building or even at Glendale mall?



If weapons are not allowed on campus is it possible to leave a legally owned and carried weapon in your vehicle so that it can be carried on the way home as long as it is locked?



Also, the main reason that I ask is my friends and I wish to go shooting after classes and do not wish to break a law and/or a University policy. If there is a break in policy and/or the law that means that we all must drive to our respective homes and then meet up again, which as you know may take over an hour because of the commuting.



If I am unable to store my weapon in my car or carry it, I have heard that the campus police provide storage. Is that true? If so, how may one go about utilizing it?



Lastly, the source of much conflict has been on the bulletin boards of www.popguns.com and on www.thehighroad.org , if a representative from your department were to respond it would clear much up in this situation.





Thank you!

Jason

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

The reply:

Here is a link to the CODE OF STUDENT RIGHTS, RESPONSIBILITIES, AND CONDUCT:

http://www.hoosiers.iupui.edu/studcode/stucode.htm#personal misconduct on property

Which says…

Personal Misconduct on University Property.
The university may discipline a student for the following acts of personal misconduct which occur on university property……

13. Possession of firearms or other weapons on university property contrary to law; possession or display of any firearm on university property frequented by the public, except, in the course of an authorized activity, possession of weapons in residence halls on university property in violation of residence hall rules; and intentional possession on university property of a dangerous article or substance as a potential weapon.

We do offer gun lockers at the IUPUI Police Station 1232 W. Michigan where people can lock a weapon up. We prefer people not lock them in their car as we have several vehicle break-ins each year.

We also offer escorts 24/7.

Hope this helps.

 

[cordex]

Doesn't really answer your question, does it Mysterious? Just says "We prohibit it in our book of no-nos". Doesn't say anything about the legalities.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll drop by the police station to see what their actual gun-lockup procedure is. If I'm satisfied with it, I might start locking guns up there.

 

[Night Guy]

I'm not too well versed in deciphering legaleeze, but can't some of that be interpreted as making it OK to carry with an Indiana LCH?

Possession of firearms or other weapons on university property contrary to law

Huh? What does "contrary to law" mean?

except, in the course of an authorized activity

I'd say the little pink permission slip makes it an authorized activity.


Personally I'd carry regardless. My education would be worthless if I were to die on campus.

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

You know what Nightguy...I agree with you, but then we enter into the variable of what Indiana law states...that you can't carry on school property.

 

[cordex]

I'd say the little pink permission slip makes it an authorized activity.

Unfortunately, no. "Authorized activity" means activities requiring firearms specifically authorized by the school.

You know what Nightguy...I agree with you, but then we enter into the variable of what Indiana law states...that you can't carry on school property.

Right, but it's the definition of "school" that is in question. Most laws referencing schools (unless specifically referenced as "Post-Secondary Schools") mean K-12. But ... best to get a legal opinion from someone who knows what they're talking about.

Edit:
The Sagamore had an article about the legalities and practicalities of carry on campus a while back, but the archives are gone. I'm contacting the online editor to try to get a copy of it.

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

If you can find it please post it!

Anyone on here ever used the gun storage at the police dept?

 

[valnar]

Ya know, considering the legal ramifications of shooting someone these days, let alone carrying in a university, it might be better to invest in pepper spray, mace, a taser gun, etc. There won't be any legal fallout from using those methods. Just like with a gun, she should practice with those too.

In some cases, it's even a better idea than a gun. As she leaves her classroom, she can have the pepper spray in her hand with her finger on the "trigger". She could walk all the way home that way. It's perfectly legal to brandish that canister and keep it out. Then she's even more ready than having to draw a gun.

Oh, and still get her the gun of course!

-Robert

 

[cordex]

Ya know, considering the legal ramifications of shooting someone these days, let alone carrying in a university, it might be better to invest in pepper spray, mace, a taser gun, etc. There won't be any legal fallout from using those methods. Just like with a gun, she should practice with those too.

I can't speak for other universities, but if I'm right about carry being legal (but not allowed) on the IUPUI campus, then the punishment would be the same for someone who carried pepper spray, mace or a taser as someone who carries a gun - explusion. That's "higher learning" for you.

 

[cordex]

Update on IUPUI's gun lockup:
I dropped by the police station today and spoke with an officer. He said that I should come by again tomorrow earlier, but that even though they claim to have a place to lock guns up, they haven't installed the lockers since they moved offices. Will talk with the Cap'n tomorrow.

 

[4v50 Gary]

First, congratulations on a job well done in raising your daughter to be a decent person. Second, like others have said, it's her graduation, her choice. She's going to have to learn to live with her decisions and I'm sure she'll fine a gun she'll feel comfortable to carry & use.

 

[pendentive]

Re: finger on the mace

One morning in '98, I was dropping off my wife at her job. About 7:45 AM. They had yellow tape all around the front of the building. A lady who worked there had been approached by a man who asked her "What time is it?" (but intending to rob her). She reached into her purse for her mace and was shot once in the chest. She died within a minute or two. He took off. She was "armed" but untrained as to when and how to use her mace.

This all took place in broad daylight, in a pleasant part of the city.

This is also why my wife refuses to carry mace when she's out alone...

 

[valnar]

She was "armed" but untrained as to when and how to use her mace.

Yes, Training on any weapon is a requirement. Although from how you described it, I'm not sure a handgun would have changed the outcome.