Daughter wants a gun for graduation

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For a revolver: S&W 2" model 60. Reliable, small, with 357 stopping power.


As for autos: I dont know what price your looking for. But the compact Para Ordinance LDA has worked real well for a female friend of mine. Also a walther 9mm would probably do very well.

I would steer away from 380's, I've seen the recoil of that caliber mess with females, its not heavy recoil, but it is sharp.

Happy Hunting,

Jarrod
 
When my daughter was about 18 I sent her off to Gunsite with her Glock 19, which capped off what I had been teaching her for six years already at that point. The point being that training and mindset are of more importance than which tool.

She currently has a Glock 26 she talked herself into for CCW, but it is not a definite decision yet. There are some drawbacks to it which she is becoming aware of. Thus far we have not satisfied ourselves as to its stone reliability, and if in a purse or fanny pack then a chambered round is a bit dicey. Etc., etc.

I have carried a Smith 442 with great results for some years now, and have a 'spare' older M60 which she will experiment with this summer when she has more time. Personally I much prefer them to the 26--but then it's not me carrying it.

As someone pointed out, the ladies usually do better with something they themselves have chosen--and it may not be exactly what we pick out.

Hard to beat a J frame as a starting--and possibly ending--point, though.
 
Well, on one hand she doesn't squel, giggle, jump up & down then promply swing around and point the thing at your gut when she manages to hit a piece of paper with it. So apparently she has the maturity and presents of mind to know that these things are intended to drill holes in what ever they are pointed at.

On the other hand, if she really knew what she wanted, she would tell you and be able to offer a convincing arguement to support the decision.

It's my impression that she is reasonably mature, is not frightened by guns, is willing to learn proper gun handling - but is really not familiar or comfortable enough with guns where you would even have to ask the question.

So, given these assumptions (and I know the old line about "assuming" things), it would seem a revolver would be the best choice. Very simple, very safe and perfectly adequate for the purpose intended. Blue or stainless steel would be better than light weight alloy (to dampen recoil - and in a purse weight won't be much of a factor). Short barrel (to aid in weapon retention in a close struggle). Small frame (typically fits small hands better). Nothing larger than .38 (adequate for defense - but controllable for most any healthy person).

S&W J frame or Ruger SP101. Both are top quality - and reasonably priced - so why mess with anything else? If she really wants an auto, get a larger frame .22 (like that Slabside Ruger) so she won't be inclined to carry it around - but may be inclined to take it to the range and shoot it often. I expect that if she tends to favor autos at this point, it's because the .22 she's shot is quite, low kicking and easy to hit what she's shooting at with minimal skill. Is she loading the magazine, racking the bolt, clearing the jams & cleaning the pistol all by herself - or are you "helping"? Handing a young and inexperienced person a smaller frame, larger caliber auto for concealed carry is inviting disaster in my opinion.

Some other things to consider. She's going to college, right? What do college kids do? If you don't know or don't remember - they drink, go to parties with people they don't really know, pay more attention to impressing each other than making sure their belongings are secure - and in general do silly kid stuff. Good, that's what they are suppose to do at that age. But is a gun the appropriate sort of thing to be introduced into such settings? I haven't been in college since bell bottom pants were popular - but experience with my own college age children indicates things haven't changed much. I don't carry at parties. If I stop off and have a couple of drinks with friends after work - the gun goes in the trunk of the car first. I never have an unsecured gun (even in my own home) when others are around. Will your Daughter have that kind of dicipline?
 
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Congrats to your daughter, and congrats to you, I'm sure you're a proud dad. ;)

It's hard to argue with the "let them pick" answer because, well, that's right. However, if you have to pick for her, I'd think the Makarov would be an excellent choice, as would a Bersa. A revolver might be a good choice, but I don't know much about them. Make sure she gets what she wants.

I'd also agree very strongly with the suggestion to get a little bit of engraving done. A graduation gift is something that, hopefully, will be cherished a lifetime. My Dad got a Minolta SRT-201 SLR camera for his graduation, and for mine, my Dad passed it on to me. It's a great camera.

Wes
 
One thing both you and her must look into is whether or not she can even legally carry on the school property. Most all state-run colleges and universities prohibit weapons on campus whether or not a person has a CCW license or is the legal owner of a gun.

The chances of getting caught are probably pretty small, unless she happens to attend some school function where bag searches are done and she has the gun on her.

Please think carefully about the legal issues she could run into especially if she is caught with a gun on school property where the laws specifically prohibit that. She could be tossed out of school and also may be at risk of losing her CCW and even the right to possess an gun.

Her safety is clearly paramount to you and to her, but you should also consider the risk that carrying may bring. Unfortunately college campuses are nowhere near as safe as they were years ago so she must always be aware of her surroundings. She needs to have roommates, travel in pairs or in a group and be very careful where she goes. Common sense will go a long way in being safe.
 
God, if you're paying for her first four years at college -- skip the engraving. It's costly and the only thing that matters really is the gun. As far as carrying on school grounds -- there are no legal issues: get caught, get expelled. Which do you think will cost less -- the gun or the semester you just paid an arm and a leg for? Don't carry at school -- if you get caught -- and you will -- you'll be working long and hard to make up for the lost funds.
 
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My nineteen year old daughter has already claimed my .32 Walther PP.
Not enough firepower to start a fight but more than enough to get someone out of the way. I taught her to use the "five shot stop". Just hit the man sized target at 15' anywhere five times rapid fire. That leaves three more for just in case.

rk
 
Thanks for all responses so far... keep 'em coming! Recently a young coed was walking to her car on a distant lot after class and was raped (security doesn't patrol the area after 1930 and class ended at 2130). The instructors/profs were told to tell students to walk in pairs or larger groups when exiting the buildings. The official school policy is no firearms on campus ( locked in car ok) upon hearing about the rape one of females in the class ( her family owns a local gun store) pulls out a firearm (yes, right there in the classroom) and replies, " I'm not worried!" at which point the instructor says, " I'm walking out with you from now on!" her fellow classmates joined in chorus, "so are we!". I don't think it appropriate or prudent to brandish a firearm like that and could never see my daughter doing it (She has more sense than most !). It's probably unwise to say when and where you are carrying since that's part of the reason/benefit of CCW. Brett
 
The official school policy is no firearms on campus ( locked in car ok) upon hearing about the rape one of females in the class ( her family owns a local gun store) pulls out a firearm (yes, right there in the classroom) and replies, " I'm not worried!" at which point the instructor says, " I'm walking out with you from now on!" her fellow classmates joined in chorus, "so are we!".
The sad fact to that is as she probably doesn't really know everyone in class, or who they may have told this story too. She could easily find herself being expelled for breaking school policy.
 
if budget permits, consider getting a matched pair - one lightweight to carry, one steel-framed for proficiency. Either the same exact shape in different weights, or at least the exact same MOA.

I think proficiency training is imporant, and she won't practice with something that's no fun to shoot.

Also don't forget color options - e.g. a green Glock might go over better than a black one.
 
I'd agree to let her try a bunch of options.. the third model detective special Colt holds six, is a small frame with a reasonably sized grip.

How does she feel about SA autos? A single stack 9mm 1911 commander sized auto might be ideal.
 
I hate to join the revolver crowd, but I think a J-frame is hard to beat for someone who does not shoot too often. No safeties to think about when under pressure, and it will definitely go boom. My wife has an airweight S&W model 38 in .38 special, which has a shrouded hammer (it is important, I think, to avoid snagging when drawing). I personally think a light, compact gun is far more likely to be there when you need it, and I also think five shots of .38 is plenty for most anyone (outside those looking for trouble).

This is all predicated on her not shooting too often. If she shoots a lot, well, she can probably handle most anything and probably has her own ideas.
 
Most Girls wear jeans, and those short tops that show their waist, so that area is out, a ankle carry is very hard to draw. A purse can be grabbed, or stolen. I would have her check out the pocket holsters, Headly makes them for the front and back pocket, and are first rate. A 32 acp or a 380 goes with me every day, wished my daughter could carry on campus, but it is illegal in Michigan, it's a free criminal zone.
Got her some pepper spray, even though 2% is all we can buy here in Michigan, she is also on the fencing team, mmm a nice sabre sounds like a option
 
Have to second reservations about "carrying" at school, though not about having one there. Ditto letting the new owner make final choice. If you love your CZ as much as I do mine, I'd look seriously as the PCR Compact. Feels wonderful to me. Don't know about size/weight for CCW since I've never had any interest in that.
 
Most Girls wear jeans, and those short tops that show their waist, so that area is out, a ankle carry is very hard to draw.
As we all know, if you're going to carry, you need to dress around your sidearm. Adding a blazer or vest to the outfit described above would work well. There are all sorts of options out there. I have a teenage daughter and hope, if and when she decides to carry, she'll not pick a teeny weapon because it's the only thing she can conceal given her wardrobe. I hope she'd modify the wardrobe to accommodate a decent firearm.

But I have some years to subtly get the point across.
 
Most Girls wear jeans
While true the majority of them wear a cut of the jeans that rules out pocket carry (they are just too darn tight......:D). No matter what her dress style is she will have to learn to modify it around her choice of carry mode.
 
I realize I? am a little late on this one, but as a fellow Hoosier, I have to congratulate you. It is excellent that our state allows legal adults to carry, not just 21+. I've had my permit since I was 18, but didn't start carrying until I turned 21 (nothing right to carry)

Unfortunately, one of the many side-effects of going to my school is that you must live in New York, which makes concealed carry basically impossible. I'm jealous.

Now, do you have any cute pics of her and some fine weaponry? Girls who can handle guns are... very nice. Very nice girls. Yes.
 
I have four daughters who are now grown and gone.

Tried buying them guns when they were younger and could never seem to get it right! . So, I ended up letting them pick out what they wanted and just wrote the check. Worked in our family. Good shooting;)
 
Sorry Stilleto no pictures... but she is 125# Blue eyed 5'6 brunette very smart 4.0 GPA and beautiful! and Loves Dad, Country and Jesus! No weapon yet Fumegator but Spring Break is just weeks away and I told her tonight we would be going shopping. I'll keep you all posted. Brett
 
It is excellent that our state allows legal adults to carry, not just 21+. I've had my permit since I was 18, but didn't start carrying until I turned 21 (nothing right to carry)

You mean, somewhere out there it is legal for under 21 people to posess a handgun? Where? Because I may be moving there!
 
Dear Brett,
It sounds like you have the Smith and Wesson J frame revolvers covered. I prefer revolvers and wouldn't hesitate to recommend a J frame or a K frame with a 2-1/2" barrel.

How about a Ruger SP-101? The steel frame will help with recoil if that is an issue.

I've carried a Walther PPK/S in 380Acp from time to time. It conceals nicely but I think that the Smith and Wesson revolvers have a nicer double action trigger.

Good luck and keep us posted. It's always wonderful to see someone new join the ranks of partipants in the shooting sports and CCW.

-Jim
 
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