DC just unveiled its new restrictions...

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Sounds like discrimination to me. What do they consider "good vision?" Is that corrected, or un-corrected?
Corrected.
The wording in the law is anyone that has good enough vision to get a driver's license in DC can register a firearm.
However, all those elderly people that own a firearm registered before 1976 do not have to take any vision tests to keep their firearms even if they cannot see well enough to drive, so DC is not consistent.
 
They sure made the requirements pretty onerous, just to possess a handgun in the home for self defense. Who wants to jump through all those hoops for handgun ownership, only to have it still "severely restricted". I'm guessing the majority of the citizens in D.C will say "screw all that" and not even bother, which is really sad. I really hope this gets challenged again, and they get their a** handed to them. I feel sorry for the D.C residents, living under a communist dictatorship.:cuss::mad::barf::fire::banghead:
 
Does this mean that semi-autos are still banned?
Semi autos are not banned in DC. They claim that almost all semi autos are banned because of the 12 rounds law, but has 9,382 semi auto handguns registered since 1976 and that includes some DC residents that are not police officers that have semi autos registered to them (they were allowed to register in 1976 under the implementation of the handgun ban law).
Once again, DC is not consistent. Not only have they registered semi auto handguns to retired police and Special Police Officers, but they have also allowed DC residents to register them. I bet some of those are 1911's and Walther PPKs.
 
Politicians are useless, until they understand by getting voted out of office nothing will change...
 
Sure glad I live in Texas. Think all the bad guys there will be first in line to
register their guns? Some people just don't get it and never will.
 
Woah! Slow down Txwhite3! 2 posts in 3 years! Come by more often!



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ETA: Oh... unless you rolled over the counter! LOL
 
The NRA didn't even want this suit going forward in the first place. Don't look for any ILA action any time soon.


-T.


EDIT: NNGGGGG!!! I'm so damn p'd off right now. If there was ANY elected official if front of me right now I'd smack them silly on principle!!


This might help:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=374177


Levy distanced from NRA for Heller


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4217235.shtml

Targeting The Supreme Court

How A Libertarian Who's Never Owned A Gun Brought The Decisive Case On The Second Amendment

June 29th, 2008

(CBS) Supreme Court decisions always have the potential to make headlines and provoke debate. Case in point: Its ruling this week on the right to own a gun. It's a cause one man worked long and hard to bring before the court, as we hear in our Cover Story reported by Martha Teichner.
Outside the Supreme Court the battle was still being fought as the decision was announced - the 5-4 ruling overturned Washington, D.C.'s ban on handgun ownership and explicitly stated for the first time that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to own a gun for self-defense.

Washington mayor Adrian Fenty's disappointment was palpable. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," he said.

Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley, bracing for an attack on his city's gun law. He said the Court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller is "very frightening" for America.

"Why don't we do away with the court system?" Daley said. "The old West - you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle on the street."

Within 24 hours, the National Rifle Association and like-minded groups had filed lawsuits against Chicago and San Francisco. Their aim: to test whether the court's decision has implications for all 50 states, not just the District of Columbia.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, said, "The NRA views this as the opening salvo, as a step-by-step process of bringing relief to citizens all over the country that have been denied access to that freedom.

"The Second Amendment as an individual right now becomes an important part of the American constitutional law, and that's monumental," he said.

How did it happen? Why this particular case? Why now? It took exactly the right cast of characters, perfect timing, and the determination of a lawyer named Robert Levy who knew just how to play the game.

"The financing for this came out of my pocket," he told Teichner.

Levy's story is remarkable: He got rich in finance, but cashed out and went to law school at the age of 50. (He's now 66.) This is the only lawsuit he's ever litigated.

He's never even owned a gun.

"The gun part of it is, I don't know that I'd say it was incidental, but certainly my primary interest was in vindicating the Constitution and the meaning of the Second Amendment."

Levy is a libertarian, a senior fellow at libertarianism's philosophical brain trust, the Cato Institute in Washington.

"We believe in free markets, individual liberty, private property and, most of all, strictly limited government," Levy said. "We don't like the government in our wallets, and we don't like the government in our bedrooms, so we're very happy to be a bridge between the left and the right, particularly on this issue, which has separated so many on the left and the right."

Levy deliberately distanced himself from the NRA.

"We didn't want to be identified with the usual gun lobby groups," he said. "This was the case that we brought because of our interest in the Constitution."


Levy hand-picked his plaintiff, security guard Richard Heller, and then calculated that the Supreme Court would move to the right before the case managed to get there.

"When we filed the case, in 2003, Justices Alito and Roberts had not yet joined the Court, but it did appear that over the near term there would be replacements of Chief Justice Rehnquist, and Justice O'Conner suggested that she might retire, and of course that did come to pass," he said.

And in Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion, Levy had the perfect match with his own strict originalist views of the Constitution - in other words what the founding fathers intended.

Recently on 60 Minutes, Scalia said, "Sometimes people come to me and in, you know, 'Justice Scalia, when did you first become an originalist?' You know, as though it's some weird affliction - 'When did you start eating human flesh?'"

"What you're saying is, 'Let's try to figure out the mind-set of people back 200 years ago, right?'" asked Lesly Stahl.

"Well, it isn't a mind-set, it's what did the words mean to the people who ratified the Bill of Rights or who ratified the Constitution," Scalia said.

The D.C. gun ban suit was a chance to take on the Second Amendment, with its reference of militia … its awkward commas … its ambiguity.

"I don't think the Supreme Court was backed into a corner to decide this case," said CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen. "I think there was enough folks on the court now with the change, with the addition of Samuel Alito, so that they wanted to do it.

"The problem is you have a horribly drafted Second Amendment," Cohen added. "The people who drafted the Second Amendment were just as addled and just as conflicted and contradictory as modern day politicians are when it comes to these tough issues."

Which may not be surprising, according to R.B. Bernstein, a constitutional historian at New York Law School, who said. "Constitutions are political documents and constitutional amendments are political documents. They're written by politicians. They're shaped by the forces of politics."

"I'm tempted to say to originalists sometimes, that you may believe that there is a Santa Claus bringing neatly wrapped packages of original intent, understanding or meaning for good little consitutional interpreters," Bernstein said, "but just as there is no Santa Claus, there is no originalist Santa Claus. We do the best we can with the language we've got."

In fact, in this case, the Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment is very much in line with public opinion.

According to a recent Gallup poll, more than seven out of ten Americans agree with the Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment does guarantee the right to own a gun.

But here's another statistic: Approximately 30,000 Americans are killed by guns every year.

We asked Robert Levy, who brought about the Supreme Court decision, does it matter to you that people might die because of it?

"Well of course, it matters," he said. "And I think it's indisputably true that there will be people who die because of this ruling. There will be other people who would have died were it not for this ruling, and so one has to take into account not just the cost but the benefits."


2ndly, NRA was more right in their thinking that this was a put all of our eggs in one basket and take a huge risk.

Many pro-2nd Amendment folks thought it would be an easy 7-2 sweep or 6-3 sweep, how close were we at 5-4, it could have easily gone the other way. People tend to forget that.


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Does this mean that semi-autos are still banned?

Yes, you probably missed it because it is hidden in this part which to the unknowing sounds like the NFA items:
Sawed-off shotguns, machine guns and short-barreled rifles are still prohibited.
According to DC anything that can accept a magazine that can take more than thier legislated number of rounds is a machinegun, as well as any firearm that can be modified to take such magazines.

That means all semi autos are machineguns at thier discretion because they can take a magazine with more rounds.

This is the city with the police department that recieved select fire M16s modified to semi auto fire. Now in practice little different than an AR15, unless of course you are a mere mortal citizen, in that case it is an NFA violation. (Once a machinegun always a machinegun.)
 
Good! DC is showing their colors again. Maybe the Supreme Court will release some sort of official edict to the DC council that will more clearly define what the spirit of the 2nd ammendment means

And apply a more liberal scope of freedoms for gun owners.

That would really funny and help us all in future battles nation-wide.
 
One of the public officials, responsible for 'public safety' for DC was interviewed on NPR recently about how they intended to proceed. His opinion was that the court dealt with only two parts of "our law" (his repeated description of the ban). He felt they could merely reword that to comply. He also felt (and the NPR reporter reinforced) the idea that the majority (51%?) of DC residents did not favor overturning the ban.

Even if they did completely overturn the ban I still wouldn't live in DC, or visit unless required to by my job.

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Zoogster, the DC mayor, his attorney and the Chief of Police can make any claims they want, but they have registered semi auto handguns to residents in the past and there have been over 9,000 semi auto handguns registered in DC since 1975. For them to try and claim all semi auto handguns are unregisterable, they will have to explain why they have been registering them all these years.
 
I honestly don't see how Scalia could have made it any clearer, the trigger lock law is ILLEGAL.

I hope a lawsuit is immediately filed.
 
Sure glad I live in Texas. Think all the bad guys there will be first in line to register their guns? Some people just don't get it and never will.

Oh, I assure you the Kings of DC get it. They know exactly what they're doing. They are ruling, controlling, and subjugating the law-abiding populace whilst ignoring those they can't totally control; the criminals. It's all about absolute power. It's what leftist elitists do. They know what's good for you and they know better than you.

Even with the Heller decision in place, they are going to make darn sure DC residents will not be able defend themselves with something more effective than a pointy stick. The ruling class is fully aware DC residents depend on them for everything from cradle to grave and they intend to keep it that way. Independence and self-reliance are forbidden in the district. Both are a threat to the mayor's, the police chief's, and city council's power.
 
Call your congressmen and urge them to support Representative Mark Souder's (R-Ind.) H. Res. 1331, a rule to govern House consideration of a modified version of H.R. 1399--the "District of Columbia Personal Protection Act."
 
Semi autos are not banned in DC.

Im not so sure on that one....

"MPD will allow the registration of previously possessed handguns other than those that qualify as “machine guns” under District law (that is, all automatics and most semiautomatic pistols) for the next six months."
 
I'm not so sure there are enough :barf: or :banghead::banghead: or :cuss::cuss: in this thread, so I think I'll just throw a few more :mad::fire: and maybe a little more :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::banghead::banghead:

There, that should just about do it. :scrutiny:
 
Remember, all of the :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: 's here won't do a bit of good unless they are focused into action.
 
Im not so sure on that one....

"MPD will allow the registration of previously possessed handguns other than those that qualify as “machine guns” under District law (that is, all automatics and most semiautomatic pistols) for the next six months."
I repeat, DC has registered semi auto handguns under the law they cite and have even registered semi autos to DC residents. They can claim they are banned all they want, but they will have to explain the decades of allowing semi auto handguns to have been registered.
 
Can someone refresh my memeory, WHAT EXACTLY DOES A THUG, BAD GUY OR CRIMINAL NEED TO DO TO GET A HANDGUN IN DC?:cuss::cuss::cuss:
 
Remember, all of the 's here won't do a bit of good unless they are focused into action.

You are right.

We have to contact the NRA, and urge them to press charges against this maniac administration immediately.

I have already sent my $300. We should all donate something. Realistically, I don't have a lot of money at all. To the point that to cut down on electric costs, I use kerosene lanterns, however, I still sent in 300 dollars to NRA-ILA because I believe with all my heart it will make a difference.
 
D.C. is in total denial that they lost!

"The handgun ban remains in effect, except for use in self-defense within the home."

"The legislation modifies existing law to clarify that firearms in the home must be stored unloaded and either disassembled secured with a trigger lock, gun safe, or similar device. An exception is made for a firearm while it is being used against reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm to a person within a registered gun owner’s home."

Striking down these two provisions was the basis of the Supreme Court decision.
 
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