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DoubleTapDrew said:
I think it's a fun show to watch and don't take it too seriously.
I would love to have some of those ballistic gel dummies with organs and fake blood they use. Would be worlds better and much more fun for practice than paper humanoid silhouettes.
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You can buy something similar for $70 a pop. There was a thread about it last month.

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The science is horrid and their conclusions are dubious, but I do enjoy watching blood filled dummies get smashed and dead pigs cut in half. :)

And because of this show, my kids are getting me a tetsubo for Christmas. :D
 
It has become my favorite show. yeah I know a computer simulation is exactly that, a simulation, but combining the history of the individuals with the hands on use of the firearms and the weapons is very entertaining. Watching the subject matter experts talk smack to each other over who is the best warrior is entertaining too :).
 
After seeing the IRA vs. the taliban episode, I'm never watching another one again. They claimed that the AR 15 jams when mud gets on the gun, all they did was put some on the side of the gun with the dustcover closed and "shot" it and then claimed it jammed. 1. They didn't actually fire but added in sound effects. 2. Mud on the side of a AR15 wouldn't cause it to jam especially with the dust cover closed. Combine that with the fact that the "experts" were all career actors and stuntmen (if you looked up them, you would see that). Also their battles are based on equipment (poorly) and incredibly unrealistic.
 
It's a fun hour of TV, but their grasp of firearms is tenuous at best. I did like the episode where they "tested" the Gatling gun against the Lewis MG.

The whole pseudo science thing smacks of 1800's weapon testing. "Let's shoot an animal carcass and see what moves it the most" Oh wait, that's how they developed the ideas that led to the 1911 in .45acp. :evil:

Jeff drives my wife nutz when he starts an "expert" on a trial with his "3, 2, 1, FIRE!" routine. :banghead:
 
[QUOTEJeff drives my wife nutz when he starts an "expert" on a trial with his "3, 2, 1, FIRE!" routine. :banghead:[/QUOTE]

That drives me nuts too.

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I like the show this year. I think it is much better than the first two seasons. I have to admit that I hated the comparison between the Beretta and the Makarov from Green B. v. the Spezna. They rated the Makarov as a better pistol. I was amazed and furious with the poor testing method.
 
How about the Mafia vs the yakuza? they had the Mafia winning. No training against a liftime of dedication, it's hit and miss.
 
parsimonious_instead said:
I'd like to see them to take their "statistical modeling" in a slightly different direction on occasion. What about using it to see how many Zulu warriors with arrows, Assegais, and Knobkerrys it would take, for example, to overwhelm a squad of US Marines defending a static position.
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parsimonious_instead said:
Asymmetric armaments with numbers that are ratcheted up (or down) to even things out could spice things up without having to delve into wackiness like supernatural creatures.

As for the trauma doc, I think that's actually a good idea. Certain wounds depicted in the show are literal no-brainers as to whether the target would die, but I like the way he'll explain why certain wounds are survivable and why (or why not)
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Interesting thoughts! :)

As far as the bolded portion -- I suspect that, given a sufficient amount of ammunition and an adequate defensive posture, a modern squad of marines would pile up the Zulu bodies so high that the rest wouldn't even be able to get to them...And likely, Zulu morale would break long before that became a consideration.

A vaguely analogous situation would be where Gordon and Shughart held out for as long as they did against lesser-trained Somalis armed with guns, and piled up the enemy dead until basically running out of ammo.


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Rick R said:
It's a fun hour of TV, but their grasp of firearms is tenuous at best. I did like the episode where they "tested" the Gatling gun against the Lewis MG.
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Rick R said:
The whole pseudo science thing smacks of 1800's weapon testing. "Let's shoot an animal carcass and see what moves it the most" Oh wait, that's how they developed the ideas that led to the 1911 in .45acp. :evil:
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I think it was a Vickers machine gun -- but I enjoyed that Teddy Roosevelt versus Lawrence of Arabia episode also.

What cracked me up was that, during the test, the Vickers experienced a jam and a slow time to clear, so they gave the edge to the Gatling due to reliability. No consideration of such things as ease of transport and time to deploy, etc.

Jeff drives my wife nutz when he starts an "expert" on a trial with his "3, 2, 1, FIRE!" routine. :banghead:
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Likewise...!!! I wish he would lose that stupid schtick... :cuss:


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Speking of Zulu's, in the 1940's-50 movie "zulu". that's exactlly what happened, except it wasn't marines. I believe it was hunters safari type's. It's a classic. Some famous stars were in it, but the're "stratagy" ,if you can call it that, was just to send to send in thousands of warriors chucking spears and arrows, untill they killed the half dozen people, the numbers didn't matter to them.
Kind of like Nam, with the waves of NVA, they have so many people that they don''t care. it's a religious radical thinking process, no thought just keep going.
 
gym said:
Speking of Zulu's, in the 1940's-50 movie "zulu". that's exactlly what happened, except it wasn't marines. I believe it was hunters safari type's. It's a classic. Some famous stars were in it, but the're "stratagy" ,if you can call it that, was just to send to send in thousands of warriors chucking spears and arrows, untill they killed the half dozen people, the numbers didn't matter to them.
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Kind of like Nam, with the waves of NVA, they have so many people that they don''t care. it's a religious radical thinking process, no thought just keep going.
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If I'm not mistaken, you're talking about the 1964 movie "Zulu," starring Michael Caine? It was (is) a classic indeed -- a fairly faithful reenactment of the battle of Roarke's Drift, where 100+ British soldiers fighting behind mealy-bag walls successfully fought off 4,000 Zulu warriors.
Colour Sergeant Bourne: It's a miracle.
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Lieutenant John Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.
Colour Sergeant Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind.
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Actually I was thinking 40's, may have been a remake or similar one. This was with "great white hunters", I will try to google it, I remember a blonde like Mansfield or Monroe, and a Carey Grant or Clark Gable type.
I'm really pushing the old memory now. But I know the one you are talking about. They just kept coming right?
I looked and there was Congo and an earlier one "same as the caine but with grant and Gable" but i can't find it , it was 20 years earlies in the 40's. so am not really sure. The one I remember had a plantation with a famous female lead in it. Guess I'm lucky to remember that
 
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gym said:
Actually I was thinking 40's, may have been a remake or similar one. This was with "great white hunters", I will try to google it, I remember a blonde like Mansfield or Monroe, and a Carey Grant or Clark Gable type.
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gym said:
I'm really pushing the old memory now. But I know the one you are talking about. They just kept coming right?
I looked and there was Congo and an earlier one "same as the caine but with grant and Gable" but i can't find it , it was 20 years earlies in the 40's. so am not really sure. The one I remember had a plantation with a famous female lead in it. Guess I'm lucky to remember that
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Okay -- sorry, Gym. I'm not familiar with the film you're describing... Sounds intriguing, though. I'm going to see if I can't find it on Netflix.

This probably isn't the one -- but see if this rings a bell with you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogambo


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I like the show too. I did a bit of teeth grinding during the episode of Roman Legionnaire vs Rajput, but I get a kick out of the show for the most part.

The recent episode of Ivan the Terrible vs Hernán Cortés really changed my opinion of the matchlock. I was impressed that the .69 caliber round ball tore through the breast plate of "Cortés", traveled through the ballistic clay and dented the far end.
A 468gr .69 caliber round ball at 1300 fps (and 1700+ ft/lbs) was a bit more than I was expecting.
 
Vampires are already dead, possess super human strength, and can move really fast. Zombies are just dead walking bodies.

Vampires win.
 
USAF_Vet said:
Yet it is still psuedo science for the purpose of entertainment.
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I remember them testing the Carlos Hathcock shooting the opposing sniper through the scope incident. They tried a modern scope and couldn't do it, then tried a red dot site claiming it was close to the 1940s Soviet style scope the NVA sniper would have used, and they still couldn't do it.

A few months later on the History Channel, they performed the same test, and I can't recall if they used a real 1940s Soviet style scope or not, but they did manage to shoot through it.


I still like watching Mythbusters, but they certainly are fallible and ignore factors. Often their control groups clearly are not big enough either.
 
JFrame said:
...Plus, how does a zombie figure out the whole wooden-stake-in-heart thingy, except totally by accident? :confused:


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Ah but dead man's blood is harmful to vampires.

I wonder if they are going to arm the vampires with spike's tactical ARs and zombies with flash lights.

I would like to see them compare Davy Crockett against Billy the Kid.

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