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Dealing W/ Anti-Gun Cops

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Treo, Feb 4, 2008.

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  1. Treo

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    The police in my area are NOTORIUSLY anti-gun.While I make it a rule never to dislose my CHP status unless asked. I'm not sure what to do ( I am positive its only a matter of time) when a cop who I just informed ( because he asked) wants to know "What makes you think YOU need a gun? Somehow I don't think this is the proper time for me to get on my 2A soapbox, and remember this isn't some random anti I ran into at Wal-Mart , this is someone who has all the authority they need to make my night a real bummer. Can I get away with a polite variation on " I'm sorry officer, but this isn't really a conversation I'm comfortable haveing right now? " or do I start singing the praises of Ron Paul? Help me out.
     
  2. Ridgerunner665

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    Its the perfect time to get on your 2nd Amendment soapbox...if he asked me that question I'd answer... "Because this is the Land of the Free and I have just as much of a need for a weapon as you do, Sir.
     
  3. ArfinGreebly

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    You Just Never Know

    "Well, officer, pretty much the same reason as you. Because with the world like it is today, you just never know."


    "Well, officer, honestly I hope I never do. Thing is, if I ever do need it, there won't be anything that can substitute."


    "Well, officer, I owe it to my family not to wind up dead just because I didn't take basic precautions."
     
  4. Feud

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    "I hope that never NEED a gun, officer. But like yourself, should anyone ever decide to start shooting at me I'll be very glad that I have one."

    "For the same reason I keep a First Aid kit and jumper cables in my vehicle, because bad things sometimes happen to good people."

    "It makes me look cool" (This one might not work so well.)
     
  5. W.E.G.

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    first to say:

    "because its too heavy to carry a cop"
     
  6. Nnobby45

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    "Because the violent people you deal with every day usually prey on law abiding folks like me. If they weren't still out on the street, you wouldn't be needed and would be employed elsewhere."

    " Well, officer, when you get a call to a violent crime in progress, what percentage of the time do you get there in time to prevent injury to the victim? That's what I thought."

    "For the same reason you pray that a loved one of yours won't meet up with some of the people you deal with everyday because you haven't taken them off the street yet--as far as I know."

    "What are the chances I might actually need a gun, officer? About the same as for all the people who needed theirs when the odds were they wouldn't."

    Actually, every anti-gun officer already knows why you have a gun.

    Don't really think it's his/her place to admonish you in a non professional manner based on personal opinion, but should, instead, save such admonishing for wrongdoers.

    Maybe a complaint to his superior would be in order, unless that's the attitude from the top down.
     
  7. granuale

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    "Because history proves that government agents are not to be trusted with the defense of life and liberty"

    "Because people like you have them"

    "Because I'm a citizen, not a subject"

    Probably the best one is

    "I'm not interested in conversing with you on any topic. Please tell me what I am legally required to do to be on my way."
     
  8. Warren

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    I don't understand the question. Why wouldn't I have a gun?
     
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    Not sure if this would help you or not...but I would feel good saying it to them.

    "why don't you ask your boss, he was the one that issusd it to me"

    Fallowed by a trip to the watch officer to express my feelings about the question I was asked by his officer.
     
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    "Because if I don't defend my own life, nobody else will either. You've got no legal duty to protect me."
     
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    Ask him when the last time was when he showed up before a crime and prevented it from happening.
     
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    "Because when seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away."
     
  14. CryingWolf

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    Start laughing out loud and say "That is one of the stupidest question I have ever heard!"
     
  15. ZeSpectre

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    When did a right have anything to do with need?

    But seriously if a police officer asks you that question, get his/her name and badge number and contact their supervisor later (remember, NOBODY wins an argument on the spot with an officer and being smartassed with them is simply BEGGING to be introduced to the "nuisance laws" every jurisdiction has to enable officers). If you are right in the law, the officer's concern ends there and if they don't let it go they need retraining but don't try to win the case on the street.
     
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    Best advice yet.


    -- John
     
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    I'd just say sometihng like, "Officer, I don't believe this is the proper time or place for this conversation."
     
  18. CryingWolf

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    One of the best advice I had ever heard was from a comedian. If you can make them laugh it might make their whole day. I know some just don't have a sense of humor but it might be worth a try.

    Also, this question might come out a little different when a male officer is talking to a female. I wonder how many LEOs would pose this question to a lone female. I am sure my wife would remind the officer of a few tragic events that happen to women being kidnapped, raped and killed.
     
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    What are you doing that leads to LE encounters/interviews and questions?
    Low profile, law abiding citizens are almost never drawn into that situation in the first place.
    Instead of debating responses, might want to take a hard objective look at WHY ARE YOU BEING ASKED?
     
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    While I agree with the general principal (i.e. keep a low profile), let's be careful to avoid the "if you were stopped you MUST have done something wrong" mentality because that's dangerously close to blaming the victim for the crime.

    I worked in LE, believe me when I tell you that folks in that profession do stop people for no really good reason just to "shake the tree and see what falls out". I'm not going to argue about the rightness or wrongness of that, I'm just stating that it does happen.
     
  21. ArmedBear

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    "Why are you stopping me here? Am I under arrest?"

    "I am going to go about my business, then. And may I have your badge number, please?"

    An uninvited conversation with a cop you didn't call is like a confrontation with a criminal. Do what it takes to exit the situation immediately.

    If you're concerned, find out what your state's laws and precedent are regarding police harassment of law-abiding citizens.
     
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    Speeding comes to mind. I occasionally get stopped for it on the highway. If I get stopped and get a ticket, well, them's the breaks. It's not a big deal really, and you ought to get off of your high and mighty, holier-than-thou soapbox.

    And as for being asked, cops go 'fishing' a lot. It's part of their job. I don't begrudge them that at all. What you have to do is be a smarter fish and not take the bait as presented.
     
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    http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...117&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

    Nobody wins an argument with a cop. What they CAN do and what they ACTUALLY DO are two totally seperate realities. Cops want to be right. They want you to KNOW they are right. They want to be Alpha and they want you to pee yourself under their steely gaze. People that don't do that are "criminals" in their opinion.

    Get out of the conversation with the eyes averted, head down manuever (Yessah boss, whatever you say boss) and then write your Police Cheif, Town council and everyone else.

    I got outraged onetime that a cop pulled me over, this was like the 4th time that week. I was in college and had a very obvious red truck. On the 4th time I was irritated and started acting that way. I was handcuffed and knocked around they then found and old beer can and wrote an MIP for me. The beer can had been picked up on the side of the road. No one believed me. That was that.
     
  24. Treo

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    I have had exactly 2 interactions W/ the local police in 5 years, I am NOT what you'd call a high profile criminal. That said the CSPD likes their "sobriety checkpoints" ( before someone misconstrues my intent I haven't had a drop of alcohol in over 25 years) when you get caught in one they DO go out of their way to find PC to search the vehicle. And should you turn down a side street to avoid the whole mess you make your self a prime suspect The 2 cops I've dealt W/ were OBVIOUSLY fishing for something bigger than a speeding ticket. I have no reason to trust the good will of any police officer I meet. If they're are any good pro 2A pro citizens rights cops out there reading this my apologies, but you have your brother officers to thank for my attitude.
     
  25. El Tejon

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    What have I told you guys about talking to cops?:eek:

    No, do not have debates with the police. Do not talk yourself into being described as "argumentative" or "combative" in the police report for your Disorderly Conduct or Resisting Law Enforcement arrest.

    Remember this phrase, "Officer, am I free to go?"

    No smart looks, no back talk, we can save all of that for later.:D

    Once again: AM I FREE TO GO?
     
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