Dear Wendy exposes the US’s gun culture

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"It behooves sheep to follow the shepherd."

You win. I can't use behooves in a sentence and keep a straight face. :what: If I could it would be entertaining to debate the ins and outs of twisted logic.

John
 
Here we have a philosophical debate about second-hand information....If we grew to understand the world based only on our own first-hand empirical knowledge and experience, we would still be living in caves, eating bugs cooked over camel dung fires.

The only way we advance in our knowledge of ourselves and our world is to stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us.

Therefore, given that this movie has been warmly received by the Socialist Workers; and given that I have not seen it, I here by refuse to see it.

There, that wasn't so bad, was it?
 
I live in an impoverished mining community in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, all I really need now is feathers in my hat and a rose in my teeth...
 
Besides, the facts that Lew Wallace never set foot in Imperial Rome, nor Thomas Keneally, in a Nazi labor camp, have failed to precipitate a flurry of righteous detractors besmirching their veracity.


Apples and oranges...(not to mention horse apples). Absent Sherman and Peabody's "WayBack Machine", please explain HOW they could do so? Whereas, ample opertunity exist for the writer and director in question to examine FIRST HAND the object of their scorn - their failure to avail themselves of such an opertunity speecks volumes about their agenda and intellectual honesty. Thats enough evidence for me...
 
Did I read an argument above that said I should not listen to the guy ahead of me that there is a cow paddy in the trail, I should go ahead and step in it so that I will have the personal experience to prove to myself that it is in fact a cow paddy?
Logic is great, but you gotta be careful about the things you can talk yourself into. :)
 
I live in an impoverished mining community in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, all I really need now is feathers in my hat and a rose in my teeth...

Must... resist.... urge... to....

LOL

I'm right there with you borther, but hey, Kennecott will be here soon enough

:eek: :scrutiny:
 
So how exactly do you find out a gun that you bought as a toy is, in fact, a real gun that fires real bullets? Don't you at some point have to buy some of those "real bullets"? and if you thought it was a toy when you bought it, why would you bother buying real bullets to put in it? and whose selling these kids real bullets anyway?

In the end, I feel it is interesting to see what people who don't have any experience with "American Gun Culture" think is a reasonable premise. Not two hours of my life interesting, mind you, but three pages of posts and a couple of links to reviews interesting.

The sad thing is that people will mistake this for some kind of documentary (kinda like they do with Michael Moore's stuff) but then some people have a hard time separating fantasy from reality!

Kj
 
Somerbody said earlier on:
I just love it when folks without a clue concerning that which they allege to critique hold forth.
I wish I could make my point as succinctly. A case in point:
Yet again it's another immigrant from WESTERN EUROPE who attacks America with both fists. Time and time and time again these filmmakers and writers from Denmark, Germany and the UK use their talents and resources to tear us apart, and yet most folks here seem more worried about the guy picking vegetables without a green card.

THESE PEOPLE ARE THE ENEMY! I know them. I've argued with them for years on line. You cannot trust them, and you should always keep two eyes on them. The greatest threat does not come from some gibbering Muslim extremist or some Mexicans--it comes from the people with the talent and resources to actually change our laws and government. You will never change the minds of these people. You will never persuade them. They REALLY DO hate our Constitution and our way of life! They think it's an outdated document and will never stop trying to change us.
Needless to say, there is no factual basis to connecting Dear Wendy with an "immigrant from WESTERN EUROPE who attacks America with both fists." Such is the pitfall of claiming:
The only way we advance in our knowledge of ourselves and our world is to stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us.
In this connection, "If I have seen further, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants", occurs in a letter by Isaac Newton to Robert Hooke. Curiously enough, its diminutive and hunchbacked recipient was at the time engaged in a bitter scientific feud with Newton. In the preamble to his aphorism, Newton defends his scientific priority over Hooke, whilst praising his rival for trifles. In a nutshell, while the inventor of calculus admits to building on the work of his scientific predecessors, he denies having learned anything from a dwarf like Hooke. As Newton's would-be successors in incremental advancement of human knowledge, we would be well advised to exercise due diligence in the choice of shoulders to stand upon.
 
Mr. Zeleny,
are you saying that Vinterberg and Trier do not meet the definition of an "immigrant from WESTERN EUROPE who attacks America with both fists." or that they are not connected with the movie?
Please expound further.

Kj
 
Thomas Vinterberg and Lars von Trier are Danes. Lars von Trier is said to never have set foot in America because he is deathly afraid to travel. Vinterberg's Festen is a stunning family drama of the highest order, whereas von Trier's TV series Riget is a unique and engrossing amalgam of horror, fantasy, and comedy. His whimsical noir Europa is also well worth watching. I never sat through any of their more recent movies, but this discussion makes me want to give them another try.
 
So your point is that they are not immigrants and therefore the criticism is not correct? Seems like a bit of a technical point and does not go the underlying issue. Or do you go further and say they do not criticize the US with both fists? Are you saying that instead they are insightful artists that provoke, entertain, and capture the true essence of the human condition as relates to the venue they choose as settings? Or are you saying that they are formulaic hacks who only serve as a source of amusement because they cling to ignorant stereotypes instead of portraying characters with any real depth, yet the criticism of them is somehow invalidated because they are not, in fact, immigrants, but rather, foreign nationals. If your point is the latter, I must tell you, their nationality does not seem to be the point of interest or conflict here.
Kj
 
"Lars von Trier is said to never have set foot in America because he is deathly afraid to travel."

Figures. So he lives his life in fantasy and makes art movies. <shrug>

John

P.S. - I wonder why he added the 'von' to his birth name? I admit I'm too lazy to see if I can find the answer. Maybe I'm simply afraid I'll find one more person unhappy with who they really are. No, I'm just lazy. :)
 
Hey Taq

If we could find some high-heeled swampers, we would be a real asset to the shooting community. Do you think purple feathers would be a bit over-the-top?
 
Tag, Yooper....I'm leaving Upper Michigan shortly. Perhaps we should make it a group egress, lest we all lower ourselves to running around Marquette in foppish attire?

I mean, you'd get by okay on the NMU campus, if memory serves me, but in town you might run into some problems.

I like the high-heeled swampers idea, though. I should write Ambercrombie.... They need to spruce up the tired old chook, too, you know?

:D
 
On a positive note, "The March of the Penguins" is a fantastic movie. It is beautiful and fascinating.

Those birds are tough little buggers.
 
I find it completely fascinating that a pile of bovine excrement being passed off as entertainment has generated this much excitement on THR.

I doubt the the DU or the Socialist Underground has devoted this much energy to this "movie".

I love this place !!!! :p
 
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re: DU - You could be right, but I wouldn't know because I don't get by there very often...they banned me after a post or two as best I remember. It's been a few years.

John
 
It's still making the rounds....

Gun-crazy American teens, through a foreign prism

By KEVIN THOMAS

Los Angeles Times

The first surprise in the unpredictable and original "Dear Wendy" is that its young hero Dick (Jamie Bell), who at the outset of the film starts writing a letter that will serve as voice-over narration, is not addressing a girlfriend but his cherished revolver.

Dick lives in a desolate coal mining town, shot in desaturated hues and likely set in West Virginia, and he feels like a loser until Stevie (Mark Webber), a heretofore near-silent co-worker at a grocery store, informs him that a recently purchased cap pistol is in fact the real thing, a high-quality revolver.

The discovery bonds the two teenage loners, and Stevie's vast knowledge of guns infects Dick.

In a beginning more intricate and clever than outlined here, two of Denmark's Dogme 95 co-founders -- Lars von Trier, who wrote the script, and Thomas Vinterberg, who directed -- launch an allegory on guns and violence in America that is all the more resounding for its acutely observed foreigners' perspective.

The entire film was shot in Denmark and Germany, but one would never know it, so astute is the production design, with only one or two props in the entire film not likely to find their way into a U.S. coal town.

Dick has resisted following his widowed father -- who early on drops dead in the midst of an off-screen temper tantrum -- into the mines, but the youth has yet to find himself.

But now the escalating obsession with guns and their lore that blossoms within Dick and Stevie leaves them feeling increasingly empowered.

They feel so good about themselves that they decide to spread the word to three other young people who are also regarded as losers by their peers: Susan (Alison Pill), shy daughter of the proprietor of the local dry goods store; and the brothers Huey (Chris Owen) and Freddie (Michael Angarano) -- Huey has at long last just received a pair of prosthetic legs that free him from his wheelchair.

The group is soon calling themselves the Dandies, erecting a "temple" in an abandoned mine building and setting up a shooting range in the mine below.

They steep themselves in gun history, collect old weapons, don costumes redolent of the Old West and the Edwardian era and create a fantasy world with great precision and detail.

The effect is intoxicating to one and all, and Susan even attributes the longed-for development of her bosom to her being a Dandy.

The Dandies thrive in an underground state of innocence and secrecy while their daily lives thrive with new-found confidence -- until the sheriff (Bill Pullman), a twangy lunkhead, insists that Dick, as a model young citizen, serve as an informal probation officer to Sebastian (Danso Gordon), the grandson of Dick's former longtime black housekeeper Clarabelle (Novella Nelson).

Although Sebastian has, in the words of the sheriff, "blown away somebody," he is apparently still a minor, and the sheriff is feeling lenient toward this ex-con as long as he comes under Dick's positive influence.

Self-confident and cool, Sebastian brings a breath of reality to the Dandies' hermetic existence.

It's clear from frame one that "Dear Wendy" is almost certainly not going to end well, but the complex course it takes, also from the start, cannot be guessed, and by the time this astute and entirely distinctive film is over, the folly of America's love affair with guns, past and present, is laid bare with the same inescapable force with which Gregg Araki exposed the horror of child molestation in "Mysterious Skin," a similarly poetic and deceptively affectless film.GO!

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/entertainment/12950511.htm
 
Ma' Gawd'!

Is that what they think we do?

This portrays American gun cluture about as accurately as one of those trained chimps who try to paint the Mona Lisa.
 
Don't you see? Dick doesn't want to hurt anyone-it's the gun that's making him do it!


And that, friends, is Liberal thinking at it's essence: Blame the object, whether it be a gun, a Playboy magazine, or a burger and fries.


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you tell me where they are packing? ingeneous no? :neener:
 
Well, I don't know about the film, but I have been greatly entertained by this thread.

I know a number of folks who are big fans of Von Trier's films, and see everything he does. As you might expect, I am the only gun owner that most of these folks know. I guess that I can expect some entertaining discussions soon.

The film definately sounds like something I need to see. Right after I see the current run of Broadway musicals and the director's cuts of all Michael Moore's films.
:rolleyes:
 
I doubt that Thomas Vinterberg proposed to "expose" any kind of "gun culture" in Dear Wendy, any more than he "exposed" the "incest culture" in Festen. As a feature filmmaker, he makes up stories. As a moviegoer, you choose to attend or stay away. The nadir of presumption is to rail against the story whilst staying away. This kind of posturing mimics a Soviet milkmaid denouncing the banned writings of Solzhenitsyn or a blind mullah issuing a fatwa against Salman Rushdie. Feeding the flames with tendentious criticism culled from a yellow rag is unbecoming of citizenship in a constitutional republic. Has any contributor to this thread actually seen the movie that he is railing against? I am planning to.
If that's the case, then my criticism was unjustified. The plot is still about as realistic as that of Corpse Bride, though (good movie, BTW).

The idea that the film is a critique of the U.S. "gun culture" seems to be the critics' consensus, though. Having not seen the movie, I can't say whether that is a correct description or not.

Dear Wendy exposes the US’s gun culture

The new film Dear Wendy explores the rotten heart of the US, writes Stephen Philip

Dear Wendy is a highly original, witty and dark satire on US political hypocrisy and gun culture. It brings together the formidable talents of director Thomas Vinterberg (Festen) and writer/director Lars Von Trier (Dogville).

Of course, considering the source of that particular review, they'd probably take Wallace and Gromit as a criticism of U.S. culture...
 
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