Death Clock

[wingnutx]

Dang, I thought this was goign to be about DethKlok.

 

[MikeHaas]

In the U.S. there has never been 50,000 homicides in a given year. Not even close.

Also, the number of homicides attributed to fireams has never been below 50% going back to 1966. Between 1966-1995 the lowest percentage was in 1983 with 58.3%.

You can see (for some of the years) the absolute number of murders per year here: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...le_01-01a.html

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Sorry, I don't see a single reference to firearms on that page. And you are very wrong about the 50,000 deaths/year from firearms. It's not even close to that if you include suicide-by-firearm!

The Nat'l Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC) breaks down this data exactly as we want for purposes of this discussion - I've included the procedure for deriving the Life-Clock's "Firearms Homicide" statistic at http://calnra.com/lifeclock/homicide.shtml

Namely...

1. Go to http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10.html
2. For question 1, What was the intent or manner of the injury?, select "Homicide".
3. For question 2, What was the cause or mechanism of the injury?, select "Firearm".
4. Under Specific Options:
--- Set Census Region/State to "United States"
--- Set Year(s) of Report to "2000 to 2000" (for example)
--- Set Race to "All Races"
--- Set Hispanic Origin to "All"
--- Set Sex to "Both Sexes"
--- Set Output Options to "Standard Output"
5. Click "Submit Request"

Number of deaths in 2000 was 10,801. (The Life-Clock uses 1999 data and reports 10,828.)

BTW, you do know that "murder" is not "homicide", right?

Mike

 

[Ieyasu]

Sorry, I don't see a single reference to firearms on that page. And you are very wrong about the 50,000 deaths/year from firearms. It's not even close to that if you include suicide-by-firearm!

Mike, what are you talking about???

First of all I was responding to a poster who claimed that there had been 50,000 homicides per year. I posted stats showing that figure was way off (as in too high). And the reference to death from firearms was clearly with respect to homicides, not suicides.

Sorry, I don't see a single reference to firearms on that page

Never said there was. It was strictly an online reference to show the annual number of homicides was way below 50,000.

 

[MikeHaas]

Mike, what are you talking about???

I was hoping someone here could tell ME!

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sometimes the posts all run together.

Mike

 

[MikeHaas]

Thanks to those on this thread that suggested ways to increase the accuracy of the Life / Death Clock. I believe all the stats there are now solid. That's what the California NRA Members' Councils are about - members helping out.
http://calnra.com/

You've helped make it better, and that's what counts!

Mike

 

[JohnKSa]

It's a great idea. Very thought provoking--and the more people you can get thinking about the facts, the stronger our cause will be.

 

[MikeHaas]

FYI, was just shown this comment made at Ohio CCW. Thanks again, folks!
http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=5504

This clock is an excellent way to put things into perspective.

I work third shift at a Cleveland hospital and at least 4 or more times per week, on my shift, there is a suicide attempt using drugs (aspirin, ibuprofen, heroin, narcotics, methanol (anti-freeze) and alcohol).

Overdoses on the same items above, are also very common. It is very rare that we get firearms related injuries, although we are not a level 1 trauma center, we do occasionally get a firearm related injury.

Suicides, overdoses and heart attacks by far exceed firearms in hospital admittances!

Anecdotal but strong and deliberate. Hey, where's Katy Couric? I'm sure this would be news to her! (Oh, that's right, it's CBS.)

Mike Haas
NRA Benefactor Member, volunteering for NRA as...
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