Deburring flash holes???

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OK folks,
Anyone have religion about deburring flash holes. Just took a look at some FC .308 win brass that I just finished tumbling. Brass has 5 or 6 firings on it and I never deburred the flash holes. So I took the RCBS debur tool to them and I noticed they had significant burrs. Does anyone have any data around the impact of burrs and increased performance or accuracy from deburring flash holes?
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Dom
 
I’ve never noticed any performance difference. I still do it since it’s just a one time thing, but it hasn’t made any measurable difference in anything I’ve seen personally
 
I've never deburred one in my life. I shoot stock off the shelf hunting rifles for hunting and fun. Pistols for fun. While I like accuracy as much as the next guy I doubt with my equipment, and my skill I would notice any difference.

-Jeff
 
I have 200 pcs of win 308 brass that I deburred when I purchased it,

They have 4 firings each and hopefully 4 more at least before they give up

It was easy and quick enough that if I use brass for that gun, I will debut the flash holes, not sure if it makes a difference
 
Well, I always include deburring flasholes as a part of my brass prep routine. A measurable difference? I dunno that anyone could prove yay or nay. With that said, I am an accuracy lover and anything that could be construed as increasing consistency, I usually include it in my handloading efforts for my target and silhouette rifles. For something for casual shooting or the typical hunting rifle, not so much.
 
I do it for my most accurate loads that I don't have Lapua brass for. If your using Lapua brass it's not needed since the flash holes are machined and not punched. For general shooting I don't bother.
 
One can spend countless hours prepping brass and be out shot by a guy that knows many other things are more important. That said, at the top, all the little details matter.

Like lots of stuff, it depends on where your at.

I suggest you try everything and note what works for you and if it works enoug better to warrant the extra time.

FWIW I know some of the stuff I do is almost worthless as far as improvement goes but does allow some “me” time when I need it, so don’t tell the wife.
 
I've been skipping it myself ,the distance I hunt from is under 150 yds. I can't tell any real difference. I've got a Lyman flash hole uniforming tool.
 
I would likely never know the difference in accuracy either but since I put the tool on my Lyman Case Prep Station and it only takes an extra 3-5 seconds - so why not.
Besides, it amazes me how much brass comes out of there - and I am barely touching it and certain that I am not taking too much.
 
The DomFather asked:
Anyone have religion about deburring flash holes.

At one point in my reloading career - in the short span between getting a good paying job and the arrival of my first child - I briefly tried to do everything I could afford to do that the professionals did. Primer pocket and flash hole cleaning, uniforming and deburring was part of that regimen. I do almost all of my shooting off-hand at ranges of about 100 yards (almost never exceeding 200 yards) and it never made a difference that I could discern.

I think for the "five shots, one hole" competition shooters it might make a difference - obviously enough people find enough of a benefit that the companies making the tools are still in business - but for me and the kind of shooting I do, it did not.
 
If you’re trying to get the most accuracy out of your loads you should deburr the flash holes.

Why?

Why not. It’s a one time task. Consider it conjuring the accuracy voodoo. Seriously, considering of all the things we do as reloaders, this one is way down on the PITA list
 
I too, haven't been able to determine if deburring makes any difference. But, I have done it. Often when I'm bored (really bored) I'll do some processes just to keep my hand in some reloading stuff. One time I had 100 clean 7.62x51 cases just out of my tumbler (and 4 different loads already done waiting for shooting/review) and deburred the flash holes. Kept me busy, in the shop for a while...

There's a lot of things some reloaders do that some may think are a "waste of time", but it's their time, their handloads, their money, and their guns. So, it's all good...
 
I don’t know empirically if it makes a difference. I do do it, though. Part of the first-time brass prep routine. As others have noted, it’s a one-time thing, and it contributes to consistency even if only in a small way.
 
One can spend countless hours prepping brass and be out shot by a guy that knows many other things are more important. That said, at the top, all the little details matter.

Like lots of stuff, it depends on where your at.

I suggest you try everything and note what works for you and if it works enoug better to warrant the extra time.

FWIW I know some of the stuff I do is almost worthless as far as improvement goes but does allow some “me” time when I need it, so don’t tell the wife.
And who doesn't love a whole lot of me time :)
 
The best across the course shooters I know buy good brass, and then load them and shoot them. One bud set a couple of National Long Range championships did the same thing, and another, who won a couple, did the same. Buy good brass, load it and shoot it. Now these guys are sling shooters, maybe the F class guys are seeing something.

I am of the opinion that this practice is one of those advertising induced behaviors that we run across all the time in our society. I recommend reading books on Mass Marketing to understand just how Corporate advertising bureaus change our behaviors and create demand, where demand did not previously exist. (I recently read this one: Satisfaction Guaranteed, The making of the American Mass Market https://www.amazon.com/Satisfaction-Guaranteed-Making-American-Market/dp/1588341461) I will need to see more than 5 shot, 10 shot, over even 20 shot groups, before I will accept that there is an accuracy difference between brass in which the flash holes were trimmed, and brass in which it was not trimmed.

And this is something I would like to know, just what is the difference? If the difference was MOA, we would all agree it makes a difference, because the error is so large. If it was a half MOA, I think we would all agree because a large body of shooters would see it, even though a larger body of shooters would not. But the number of shooters who would see would be large enough that we would reach a consensus that the affect was real. But, if groups sizes vary by less than a hundredth of an MOA, is there anyone out there who can hold to a hundredth of an MOA and produce consistent and repeatable data?

I do believe that flash hole diameter makes a difference, but this was only determined by shooting a small batch of WW2 30-06 brass that had extra large primer holes. I don't know if I have the chronograph data anymore, or if I took it, but it is my recollection that there was a difference.
 
I don't even clean my primer pockets in my range fun pistol or .223. (RC said it wasn't worth doing, I agree)

Big rifle, meh, if it makes one feel better. They shot fine the first time, I figure. I do clean those anyway, and load SS mode(yuck)
 
Way back when, I was on an accuracy kick. I did everything known to the reloading pro's to make a better round. Flash hole work ,neck turning, weighing brass/bullets and on and on. Shot sets of targets with prepped brass and some sets of targets with uncleaned sized range brass (all the same load/OAL). With my Savage bolt 30-06, I had slightly better results with the sized range brass after shooting 100 rounds of each type at 200 yds from the bench. Decided to save my effort and just shoot more instead of all the extra prep work. YMMV
 
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