defense experts?

[Dimis]

ok so i have read through alot of posts on THR and see reference to people like ayoob and fairbairn so i research as i go as much as i can find on the internet

can anyone give me a list of people that have changed the history of gun fighting hand to hand combat etc that i should look into?
anyone have book titles i should look for? maybe written by these people
i recently learned what a fitz special was and found the backstory very interesting anyone who has more instances such as this please let me know
thanks in advance

 

[Dimis]

wow nothing?

 

[shooter58]

While Mas Ayoob offers some very sound advise concerning defensive shooting/self protection, et al, I don't believe he has actually been in a gunfight. I tend to listen carefully when men speak who have actually "seen the elephant" i.e. Cirillo, Fairburn, Applegate, Askins, Jordan, Cooper. These men are opinionated for sure, but it is opinion drawn from actual survival. I believe you can also include Leroy Thompson in that bunch. The advice they offer has actually worked with them and kept them alive.
We have today, unfortunately, a large number of armchair commandos and vociferous wannabes who actually have nothing more than opinions to offer. Don't misunderstand me, I am not including Mas in that group. I believe he is pretty right on in his advice. Those who ignore history, are destined to repeat it.

 

[Dimis]

thanks shooter i agree that there alot of armchair commandos thats why i asked about gunfighters i guess i was missinformed that Mas Ayoob was a gunfighter i dint know he had never been in a gun fight idk i may still be wrong im sure someone will come along to correct me lol

 

[Clarence]

Jeff Cooper

 

[rcmodel]

Bill Jordan's book - No Second Place Winner.

http://www.amazon.com/Second-Place-Winner-William-Jordan/dp/0936279095

Jim Cirillo's book - Guns-Bullets-Gunfights-Modern Day Gunfighter

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Bullets-...0873648773/ref=pd_sim_b_1/190-2291477-0815845

Both these guys had been there & done that, many times over.

rc

 

[RedAlert]

Years ago, Mas made a very thought provoking article about carrying a gun and doing your best to never have to use it. He talked about carrying a book of matches with $20 folded up in it. He kept it on hand to toss to a group of individuals who seemed hell-bent on starting a fight. He'd tell them to go have a few beers on me, we don't need to fight.

Doesn't mean the man wasn't prepared to use his weapon if it came to that.

I respect his doctrine of "level headedness" is the best method. Avoiding a fight is always better than getting into one.

Ralph

 

[9mmepiphany]

Fairburn and Applegate wrote the original "bible" on fighting and will give you insight into a very different world.

Askins and Jordan were Border Patrolmen and write about early LE gunfighting

Cirillo is a survivior of gun battles on the Streets of New York and spent a lifetime proving what really works on the streets.

Cooper and Ayoob brought together lessons and techniques learned/developed by others and codified them. they are each a product of the times they lived in and their experiences will differ.

i like reading Ayoob because he started as a writer and got the ultimate fantasy job...travel about and talk to cops who had survived gunfights for magazine articles. he turned it into an industry.

 

[loop]

I have two rather different recommendations. The first is Hatcher's Notebook. It is the first extensive treatise on smokeless powder firearms. You will learn more about what guns can and cannot do from his extensive testing done for the military in the early part of the 20th Century than you can from any other single source.

Second, since actual defensive shooting isn't something we commonly practice I would recommend Brian Enos' "Practical Shooting, Beyond Fundamentals." It will give you all the basics for fast, accurate shooting. To say Brian wrote the book on practical shooting is a statement of fact.

Interesting you recently learned about the Fitzgerald modifications. I have a Fitz in a S&W Mod. 1917. Best doggone belly gun I've ever seen. Always gets attention when I break it out at the range, too.

 

[hardluk1]

Massad Ayoob is also one of the few experts you would want in your conrner if you ever had to go to trial over a shooting . This he does on a regular basis.