mnw42
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I sold a Dan Wesson to a friend of mine some time ago. He got "flagged" and had to wait 10 days. The guy behind the counter said that that happens occasionally and that they randomly select people for a more intensive check.
Delayed after NICS check
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romma
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50 miles each way to the gun store when I get delayed...
100 miles + 2additional hours wasted time + wear and tear on the car...
100 miles + 2additional hours wasted time + wear and tear on the car...
Macmac
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I read here that in some states the CCW by passes NICs!. Not here in NH it doesn't.
I have a CCW , worked behind the counter and still had to call Nics on myself!
To work behind the counter you need 3 referances and to be printed. And Still you get to play in Nics.
Is it really true there are states where a CCW by passes Nics?
I have a CCW , worked behind the counter and still had to call Nics on myself!
To work behind the counter you need 3 referances and to be printed. And Still you get to play in Nics.
Is it really true there are states where a CCW by passes Nics?
duallydave
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This map seems to indicate that NICS is bypassed in some states
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm
another okie
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duallydave - it might have been prudent to check your state and federal laws to see if you were banned before trying to buy a gun. In general it's felonies, but misdemeanor domestic violence or a current order, or some mental health orders also can prevent you from buying.
Your comment about buying "from a gun show" needs some comment. The gun laws are the same no matter where the sale occurs.
There is no "gun show loophole." Gun owners should know better and make sure to correct people on this. A dealer has to do a background check regardless of where the sale occurs.
In some states all deals require a background check, in others private individuals may sell their own firearms as long as they are not buying and selling as a business or to make money.
Your comment about buying "from a gun show" needs some comment. The gun laws are the same no matter where the sale occurs.
There is no "gun show loophole." Gun owners should know better and make sure to correct people on this. A dealer has to do a background check regardless of where the sale occurs.
In some states all deals require a background check, in others private individuals may sell their own firearms as long as they are not buying and selling as a business or to make money.
NGIB
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In Georgia it does. Bought a new one last weekend, filled out the 4473, showed my permit, and walked out...
Macmac
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The print is so small I can't read it under the map. I can't seem to copy and past it either. I don't see any text saying anything about ccw permits and being exempt, anywhere either, not that it isn't there.
I am in NH as i said, and see only Wisconsin, Maryland, and Washinton States are the same colors.
Well I don't know about Wisconsin well, and Washington either, but I do know Md is far harder on gunners than NH is. I have a Bro in Law there, and spent anout 2 years in that state.
I am in NH as i said, and see only Wisconsin, Maryland, and Washinton States are the same colors.
Well I don't know about Wisconsin well, and Washington either, but I do know Md is far harder on gunners than NH is. I have a Bro in Law there, and spent anout 2 years in that state.
Macmac
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NGIB we just about cross posted. I missed the reply at first. Thank you that is exactly what i wanted a first hand witness..
kermit315
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If I remember right, to get a CCW in Washington, you have to get printed and signed off by the Sherrif, as well as a full background check. Seems to me if he got the CCW, he should be clear in their records to buy firearms as well (would seem pretty screwed up if you could get a CCW but no pistol to go with it).
I am going to go out on a limb and say you will be approved, it is just a delay for a similar name somewhere in the system.
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Jamie
I am going to go out on a limb and say you will be approved, it is just a delay for a similar name somewhere in the system.
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Jamie
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Macmac said:
Not only a CCW but certain other documents as well. Here is the official BATF list.
Permanent Brady Permit Chart
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Same in Arkansas. CCW bypasses the call but you still have to fill out the paperwork.
duallydave
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"If I remember right, to get a CCW in Washington, you have to get printed and signed off by the Sherrif, as well as a full background check. Seems to me if he got the CCW, he should be clear in their records to buy firearms as well (would seem pretty screwed up if you could get a CCW but no pistol to go with it). "
That is exactly right. I did get fingerprinted, a full background check, and signed off by the Sheriff. http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconcealreq.html
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.070
If you look at the bottom of the Concealed Pistol License application form, there are 7 agencies that are checked during the process, including NICS: http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faforms.html
So if I was passed by all of that, the only question should be Federal restrictions, which goes back to my original post, I don't know what the Federal restrictions are. However, from the sounds of the other replies, perhaps that is not the issue. I do remember a few years ago seeing in the news that somebody with my same name was convicted of rape in Poulsbo, and my name is somewhat common, particularly in the eastern states. So perhaps, despite my supplying my SSN, they want to double check.
That is exactly right. I did get fingerprinted, a full background check, and signed off by the Sheriff. http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconcealreq.html
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.070
If you look at the bottom of the Concealed Pistol License application form, there are 7 agencies that are checked during the process, including NICS: http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faforms.html
So if I was passed by all of that, the only question should be Federal restrictions, which goes back to my original post, I don't know what the Federal restrictions are. However, from the sounds of the other replies, perhaps that is not the issue. I do remember a few years ago seeing in the news that somebody with my same name was convicted of rape in Poulsbo, and my name is somewhat common, particularly in the eastern states. So perhaps, despite my supplying my SSN, they want to double check.
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Macmac
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duallydave, I am sure you will get the gun, just not which day. It might be the check is done, and you get the call to come get it, or it might be they never do the check, and you still get the call and go get it.
As to the other posts I had no idea a ccw in some states by passed the Nics check. I wish NH was that way.
SO when a state does the check I still will assume you have to fill out the forms. The dealer must keep records by fedral law, when he gets in any gun new and used, and records for where it went. He keeps these records.
he is the only one who know who bought what and when, and is the only one who knows what was bought.
Nics wants hand gun, pistol, and long gun. A hand gun is a revolver, the pistol is a semi auto, and the long gun is a shot gun/rifle. Since this if fedral I can only assume this is done in all states.
As to the other posts I had no idea a ccw in some states by passed the Nics check. I wish NH was that way.
SO when a state does the check I still will assume you have to fill out the forms. The dealer must keep records by fedral law, when he gets in any gun new and used, and records for where it went. He keeps these records.
he is the only one who know who bought what and when, and is the only one who knows what was bought.
Nics wants hand gun, pistol, and long gun. A hand gun is a revolver, the pistol is a semi auto, and the long gun is a shot gun/rifle. Since this if fedral I can only assume this is done in all states.
budiceman
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I wouldn't worry about it. I once bought a handgun (Had a permit to purchase) which went right through. 2 months later went to buy a shotgun and was delayed for 2 days!
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I can't even imagine living in a State where you had to jump through such hoops. In Arizona you walk into a gun store, pawn shop, big box store or gunshow, find a gun you want and can pay for. Put your CCL on the counter, fill out the 4473, pay the man, and you are done. No NICS fees at all.
If you don't have a CCL, you fill out the 4473, hand him your driver's license, wait while he makes the call, pay for the gun, and you are out the door.
If you are doing a Face to Face, you pay the person the money you agree on, and walk away. Even at a gunshow private sales are perfectly legal. Firearms in Az are tangible personal property and can be sold face to face just like any other tool. No 4473, no NICS checks or fees and no tax.
Great to live in a free state.
If you don't have a CCL, you fill out the 4473, hand him your driver's license, wait while he makes the call, pay for the gun, and you are out the door.
If you are doing a Face to Face, you pay the person the money you agree on, and walk away. Even at a gunshow private sales are perfectly legal. Firearms in Az are tangible personal property and can be sold face to face just like any other tool. No 4473, no NICS checks or fees and no tax.
Great to live in a free state.
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Home at last!
All is right with the world again - my part of it anyway
My new baby is now home safe and sound. I called the store and they said to come on down. The called NICS again while I was there, apparently nothing had changed, so I signed on the dotted line and headed on down the road. I have 450 rounds and some targets, only one more day until the weekend.
All is right with the world again - my part of it anyway
My new baby is now home safe and sound. I called the store and they said to come on down. The called NICS again while I was there, apparently nothing had changed, so I signed on the dotted line and headed on down the road. I have 450 rounds and some targets, only one more day until the weekend.MD_Willington
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I was delayed on my first pistol purchase probably because I'm a legal permanent resident.
The FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) uses NLETS for each gun sale made in the United States.
The members allowed to use it are law enforcement agencies of all 50 states, territories, all federal agencies with a justice component, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
So I'd assume in my case, they were looking for a criminal background if any in Canada and to make sure all of my DHS/INS info was up to date.
I had already attained my AFL and my CPL prior... so there should have been no delay.
The FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) uses NLETS for each gun sale made in the United States.
The members allowed to use it are law enforcement agencies of all 50 states, territories, all federal agencies with a justice component, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
So I'd assume in my case, they were looking for a criminal background if any in Canada and to make sure all of my DHS/INS info was up to date.
I had already attained my AFL and my CPL prior... so there should have been no delay.
another okie
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Persons who had security clearances in the past, for example in the military, are apparently often delayed, though I don't know why this should be.
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Interesting, I had a DOD security clearance for my employer at one time.
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