Democratic lawmakers introduce gun control bill that would ban magazines holding more than 10 rounds

[JeeperCreeper]

I grew up in the 90's in a "fudd" type household where "them banana clips are illegal" and "that ain't good for hunting" mentality. It is a very selfish and ignorant way if thinking, at least through a "freedom oriented lense".

Looking back at old publications from the 50's, 60's, 80's, 90's from online archives... You can perception and acceptance shifts regarding the '68, '86, '94 gun bills.

Basically compromising gains nothing. It just rationalizes losing rights. The gun laws only take and take and take.

Back in the day, those compromising attitudes only lost rights that we've never regained. And it won't end. The same debates have been published since the 50's from what I've read online (and probably since the invention of the sword).

I think the collective older generations dropped the ball. Collectively. I have hope for the "gun culture 2.0" that learns guns from video games, uses social media, is starkly pro-freedom. We want 3D printed machine guns with no compromise and "not one inch".

I don't think compromise worked.

It's the old NRA vs modern GOA, FPC, and every YouTuber.

Fringe with cult followings? Maybe. But I think it's better than saying "well... I guess high cap mags are no big deal.... Bump stocks are no big deal.... Braces are no big deal.... Rifles are no big deal.... Pistols at no big deal.... At least I have my musket

 

[whughett]

Cant say I’d disagree in principle, Although your “Fudd” remark is perhaps a bit telling, non the less I personally have never voted for a gun control law, wait a minute we don’t get to vote on those do we, ok, I personally have never voted for any candidate who advocated or proposed a gun law. I have however adapted to those laws as passed with due process in 68 thru 94 adapted quite well as I own and use firearms, even have a CCW belong to a gun club for close to 40 years, in a blue state I might add, shoot twice a week and currently live in a state where I can walk in buy a hand gun and walk, not too shabby for a “Fudd” generation elder don’t you think. BTW hunting was but one small reason for gun ownership. I think we Fudd generation folks have kept the 2nd well and alive by a little reasonable diplomacy. Let’s hope the current Rambo generation don’t blow it.

 

[RETG]

I’m not a fan of high cap magazines as I really have no use for them. Ditto for bump stocks. . They are banned in most if not all states in hunting scenarios and at the range a pain if shooting off the bench. Before you readers break out the noose Let me go on to say give these folks an inch they will take a mile, so in general it’s not something I’d support, but it’s one of the gun control issues that affect the least amount of folks. Makes no sense to win a battle then lose the war.
Af any rate these and other liberal tree shaking is going to force the SC to take a hard look at the 2nd. Can anyone predict the out come of that ?
My home state brings that high cap mag issue to the legislative table every once in a while so I make sure my rifles and PCC firearms capable of taking high cap mags are equipped with low cap ones as well.

Problem I see is the definition of "HIGH CAPACITY, magazines. When someone, sitting on their duff in DC, who has never touched a hangun let alone actually used one, defines that as over 10 rounds, that pretty much notes the greater majority of my STOCK capacity magazines for the majority of my handguns. Other than my H&K P30 SK, my Berettas came with 14 or 17 round magazines. And considering I have approx. 30 of each sizes, they will most likely last me till I croak. But after I croak I want to share these with some of the younger generation, and per the latest proposed bill, that might not be possible.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

Cant say I’d disagree in principle, Although your “Fudd” remark is perhaps a bit telling, non the less I personally have never voted for a gun control law, wait a minute we don’t get to vote on those do we, ok, I personally have never voted for any candidate who advocated or proposed a gun law. I have however adapted to those laws as passed with due process in 68 thru 94 adapted quite well as I own and use firearms, even have a CCW belong to a gun club for close to 40 years, in a blue state I might add, shoot twice a week and currently live in a state where I can walk in buy a hand gun and walk, not too shabby for a “Fudd” generation elder don’t you think. BTW hunting was but one small reason for gun ownership. I think we Fudd generation folks have kept the 2nd well and alive by a little reasonable diplomacy. Let’s hope the current Rambo generation don’t blow it.

My "fudd" remark is as telling as your "Rambo" remark. It's hyperbole to briefly sum up a popular mindset or trend, to keep from debating syntax and nuance.

I understand what you were saying before, and I understand why you and many others feel that way. I get it. But I disagree.

Public opinion hopefully drives policy.

Apathy, acceptance, compromise, and perpetuating those ideas will drive public opinion.

Slippery slope aside, If everyone thinks that certain things are no big deal, then politicians won't be afraid of consequences of their policy.

Aside from guns, many ideas that were taboo just 10 years ago are now mainstream and acceptable because mobs of people passionately pushed for it and swayed public opinion. They didn't compromise.

We have to do the same. And I'm not saying you're the problem. I'm saying I'm going to push a "no compromise" agenda and hope it becomes mainstream.

 

[whughett]

It didn’t in 1968 and it won’t in 2021. But this is just my take on 60+ years of gun ownership.

 

[toivo]

My personal definition of "high capacity" is anything larger than the standard magazine for the gun. In the case of pistols, the standard mag would be the one that it it was designed for, usually meaning the one that doesn't stick out below the grip. In the case of rifles, it would be the one that ships with it, meaning 30 rounds for an AR, 20 for a Mini-14, etc. Anything over that, we can call "hi-cap." Not that I'm advocating banning them -- just trying to clarity the terminology.

 

[snowman357]

Never give an inch, next thing you know 10 shots are to many. I never owned a bump stock but have shot one in 22lr I was not impressed. I think bump stocks and drum magazines are a waste of money, but I do not want to see the right to own one taken away, its not my business what somebody else owns. They cant buy back something they never sold me. This is more reason to join more than one gun rights group, just the nra is not enough. Join a state organization and at least two national gun rights groups.

 

[AlexanderA]

Basically compromising gains nothing.

We are not dealing with a true "compromise" here. In a true compromise, each side gets something in exchange for giving something up. I don't see the antigunners offering anything to our side. All they want to do is "negotiate" the terms of surrender.

I would like to see some backroom sausage-making in which we actually get something. But alas, those days of the bipartisan smoke-filled room seem to be over.

 

[Elkins45]

We are not dealing with a true "compromise" here. In a true compromise, each side gets something in exchange for giving something up. I don't see the antigunners offering anything to our side. All they want to do is "negotiate" the terms of surrender.

I would like to see some backroom sausage-making in which we actually get something. But alas, those days of the bipartisan smoke-filled room seem to be over.

They would say we do get something from the “compromise.” We get to keep the some of our gun stuff until the next round of legislation.

I don’t think much of their definition of compromise.

 

[The Last Outlaw]

I’m not a fan of high cap magazines as I really have no use for them. Ditto for bump stocks. . They are banned in most if not all states in hunting scenarios and at the range a pain if shooting off the bench. Before you readers break out the noose Let me go on to say give these folks an inch they will take a mile, so in general it’s not something I’d support, but it’s one of the gun control issues that affect the least amount of folks. Makes no sense to win a battle then lose the war.
Af any rate these and other liberal tree shaking is going to force the SC to take a hard look at the 2nd. Can anyone predict the out come of that ?
My home state brings that high cap mag issue to the legislative table every once in a while so I make sure my rifles and PCC firearms capable of taking high cap mags are equipped with low cap ones as well.

How can you say it affects the least amount of folks? Everyone I know has magazines that hold more than ten rounds, and most pistols and some rifles are sold with magazines which hold more than ten rounds. Seems to me like a ban would affect the majority of gun owners.

 

[benEzra]

it’s one of the gun control issues that affect the least amount of folks. Makes no sense to win a battle then lose the war.

Go look up the capacity of the very first Winchester rifle ever made, the Model 1866. Or its predecessor, the 1861 Henry.

15 rounds. Yep, banned.

Btw, a back-of-the envelope SWAG says that a ban on possessing over-10-round magazines would criminalize four to six times as many Americans as outlawing hunting would. About 16 million Americans actively hunt in a given year, give or take a couple million; a reasonable guesstimate is that somewhere between 65 and 90 million Americans own 11+ round guns.

 

[benEzra]

Never give an inch, next thing you know 10 shots are to many.

Indeed. The prohibitionists are already pushing a 5-round limit for shotguns in the current proposed bans, and have previously pushed to outlaw rifles holding more than 5 rounds and handguns holding more than 7.

 

[Old Dog]

oops, posted in wrong thread

 

[whughett]

My comments, my original post, were based ,in error, perhaps, but I don’t know that for sure , on the belief that large capacity magazine bans are aimed at detachable box magazines like those intended for use in so call assault rifles. Can it be shown here that the federal government or any state government for that matter is introducing or contemplating banning in total, any fire arm with the capacity to contain more than 10 rounds of ammunition in any type of self contained or detachable magazine.
I’ve seen none my self.

And I think it’s time I ended my discussion here.

My opinions are my own gents and I bid you good day.

 

[Old Dog]

Not to contribute to further thread drift, but:

I think the collective older generations dropped the ball. Collectively. I have hope for the "gun culture 2.0" that learns guns from video games, uses social media, is starkly pro-freedom.

No, I disagree. The older generations didn't "drop the ball." The generation(s) before me didn't see the stupidity coming, and who can blame them? We had more grown-ups in politics back then.

As far as my generation, we've been the ones in the trenches for the past thirty years of so, so don't put this one us.

And "gun culture 2.0?" Hogwash. I don't want anyone who's learned what they "know" about guns from video games (I never had to play "Call of Duty" -- I was there!) having anything to do with fighting for my rights, thank you. Ditto for all the Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tik-Tok users.

They are NOT pro-freedom. They were depicted on the news last night, "protesting" in the streets of Portland.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

Not to contribute to further thread drift, but:

No, I disagree. The older generations didn't "drop the ball." The generation(s) before me didn't see the stupidity coming, and who can blame them? We had more grown-ups in politics back then.

As far as my generation, we've been the ones in the trenches for the past thirty years of so, so don't put this one us.

And "gun culture 2.0?" Hogwash. I don't want anyone who's learned what they "know" about guns from video games (I never had to play "Call of Duty" -- I was there!) having anything to do with fighting for my rights, thank you. Ditto for all the Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tik-Tok users.

They are NOT pro-freedom. They were depicted on the news last night, "protesting" in the streets of Portland.

Maybe I was harsh, and I agree with you on being unable to predict the future. That's one I didn't think about how much more toxic politics are nowadays.

But as far as shunning social media voices and "the youth" (and when I mean Gun Culture 2.0, it's not all youngings) that's a dangerous precedent to set... The "other side" uses it and uses it well. I'm not talking about protesters in Portland. I'm taking about channels that get millions of viewers, even if it stems from Call of Duty... Demolition Ranch, Tactical Toolbox, GarandThumb, Trex Arms, MAC, IV8888, etc, all introduced and normalized gun culture and mixed it with entertainment.

Amassing viewers and followers have aided already in the ATF's public comment period for braces a few months back. Not saying that it's a long term solution, but it's a start.

Whether we like it or not, the next generation is going to be fighting these same battles any mag limits, and the more introduced into it, the easier the fight will be.

I don't care if they write with quill and parchment, or use Tik Tok, a no compromise and normalized stance is a good way forward.

 

[gyp_c2]

Look, they're spewing so much **** these days it's hard ta' keep up.
It sure keeps that Border Stuff outa' the news, don't it?

 

[Riomouse911]

My comments, my original post, were based ,in error, perhaps, but I don’t know that for sure , on the belief that large capacity magazine bans are aimed at detachable box magazines like those intended for use in so call assault rifles. Can it be shown here that the federal government or any state government for that matter is introducing or contemplating banning in total, any fire arm with the capacity to contain more than 10 rounds of ammunition in any type of self contained or detachable magazine.
I’ve seen none my self.

And I think it’s time I ended my discussion here.

My opinions are my own gents and I bid you good day.

I know you’ve stepped away, but to answer you; Ca did exactly that. Whether it holds up or not as it winds through the Courts we’ll see, but right now you can’t buy an AR without a “workaround” and you can’t buy a mini 14 and load it (or any other gun) with a Mag larger than 10. Heck, you can’t even buy a box of .22’s without a background check.

And murders are up 200% over the previous year in LA county.

“Common sense gun laws” my rump.

Stay safe.

 

[Encoreman]

Just listen to the folks in Great Britain and Australia, they will tell US not to give up anything, as it leads down a slippery slope of no return. If they said magazines no bigger than 29 this year, next go round it will be 28 or 20. Chipping away 1 round at a time. Just like the way you eat an elephant, 1 bite at a time. Stay strong Patriots!!!

 

[Robert]

News stories without a link to the actual bill are worthless. If someone has a link to the actual bill we can discuss that.