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[Wildalaska]

QUOTE]The problem with those you describe is that they are seldom ever actually DemonicRATs[/QUOTE]

There is that term again...

Why do you guys insist on demonizing those who do not agree with you..IMHO, its as bad as the way the radical left acts, and is not fit and proper for true citizens..

What we're talking about are the self described Liberals. These people are the ones with an agenda. They don't like the US, Capitalism, Christianity, Individualism or gun ownership.

Im sorry, again, why are you throwing labels about...if I dont agree with YOUR version of capitalism does that make me the enemy? Arent their self desvcribed liberals who support the RKBA?
Tell me what a liberal is...For example if I support abortion rights, gay rights, liberlized immigration, higher taxes on corporations, taking the owrd God out of the pledge, but still support theRKBA are you gonna line me up against the wall with the rest of them?

 

[2nd Amendment]

Why demonize them? Because I have complete contempt for them. Beneath contempt.

I don't care what some "describe" themselves as. See my post to which you're responding. Ask them what they actually believe. No, offer them the stance they always vote for without telling them whose it is and see how they react.

You are a member of a very small minority and yes, the beliefs you say you support absolutely make you an "enemy" on most points. From baby killing to immigrants looking for a free lunch to more taxes for big government corruption you oppose common sense. What am I supposed to do, embrace you? Why? The things you support have been proven wrong and ineffective for the last 60 years and yet you still support them. But for one issue we share I'm supposed to relent on everything else?

The RKBA won't save this country, it's way bigger than that.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

First, I'll own up to the Democrat term. Spank me. I have equal-opportunity contempt for both of the major parties... and actually, the little ones, too, if I think about it very hard.

But seriously, the problem with labelling all of "them" any way, a la:

And the only thing that will marginalize RKBA is failing to realize who the enemy is. That would be the left and the Dem Party.

... is not just that it's beneath us, it's that it's counter-productive. It makes as much sense as the Islamic extremists who blame all Americans for the perceived misdeeds of our leaders. And we all know how effective that is.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

You are a member of a very small minority and yes, the beliefs you say you support absolutely make you an "enemy" on most points.

An enemy to YOU maybe, but not an enemy to RKBA. You're free to have and enjoy the rest of your opinions.

One of the biggest problems in making any headway against stupid gun laws is that the right has owned this issue for so long. We don't particularly need a lot more right-wingers fighting for gun rights. What we really need is a few LIB'RULS and even Democrats on our side.

The right has been losing this fight long enough.

 

[2dogs]

the Islamic extremists who blame all Americans for the perceived misdeeds of our leaders

With all due respect sir, I do not believe that Islamic extremists blame all Americans for the perceived misdeeds of our leaders- except in the minds of Liberals. Reference the Patty Murray article.

From what I have read and seen, Islamic extremists don't blame, they hate- and who they hate is Jews, Americans, Christians, and basically all whom they consider infidels, that being anyone who does not strictly adhere to Islam. As exhibit A that what I say is correct- take a quick look at where two big buildings used to stand in NYC.

As far as contempt for Republicans, Democrats, or any other group- it is the ideology for which I have the utmost contempt, not the people (well only to the extent that they support the corrupt ideology).

I hate no man.

 

[Wildalaska]

QUOTE]But seriously, the problem with labelling all of "them" any way, is not just that it's beneath us, it's that it's counter-productive. [/QUOTE]

Couldnt of said it better myself...

And I am glad to see that true colours are coming out here...to the radicals anyone who doesnt think like them..is the "enemy"..a word made famous by two of the greatest killers of all time from each end of the spectrum....Stalin and Hitler...

I for one refuse to classify a fellow US citizen who doesnt think like me as "the enemy", except for those who threaten my very existence..and it seems far more likely that such a threat is coming from those who throw around the term "enemy" as opposed to those who are simply misguided or wrong in their political views.

And 2ndA:

You are a member of a very small minority

I dont think so..I think I am in the majority....because I believe in the principles of this great nation, not hate. Because I beleive in all parts of the constitution, not just those that support my own personal weltanshauung. Because I will work through the system to make it a better one for everyone, not just think of ways to destroy it...


and further:

Islamic extremists don't blame, they hate- and who they hate is Jews, Americans, Christians, and basically all whom they consider infidels, that being anyone who does not strictly adhere to Islam. As exhibit A that what I say is correct- take a quick look at where two big buildings used to stand in NYC.

should read...

"Right wing extremists don't blame, they hate- and who they hate is Jews, Blacks, ATF agents, gays, pro choice advocates and basically all whom they consider liberals, that being anyone who does not strictly adhere to their twisted view of the Constituion As exhibit A that what I say is correct- take a quick look at where a big buildings used to stand in Oklahoma City.

I repeat my oft repeated refrain..the biggest danger to the RKBA is the radical right..the radical left and their supporters are just intellectual namby pambys who take such pride in their rationality that if you are smart enough you can beat them...ever hear of Stanford Levinsohn...but the liberals dont "hate" you...

 

[2nd Amendment]

The right has been losing this fight long enough.

And to whom has it been losing? Don't give me a party, answer with an ideology.

Now, let's get something straight on loathing. the Repubs at this point are only a couple rungs down on my Disgust-O-Meter than the Dems. But at least they still pay lib service to what's right and they still claim to know where this nation came from and what the Constitution and BoR are about.

BTW, did I say or imply you were an enemy to the RKBA? I said it's not the only issue and the fact we share views on that one issue doesn't make all the others suddenly meaningless.

Malone, I made it perfectly clear the difference between the leadership/support structure and the average Joe. That's hardly comparable to the generic hate and jealousy of Muslims for all of us.

 

[2dogs]

I for one refuse to classify a fellow US citizen who doesnt think like me as "the enemy", except for those who threaten my very existence..

Excuse me sir, how is someone who is trying to take away your right to defend your life not threatening your existence?



:banghead:

 

[2nd Amendment]

Strike one, Wild: You march out the Hitler/Fascist routine. That's always the last gasp of those with a bankrupt argument.

Strike two: You roll out with your diatribe against the Right and each thing you cite is obviously incorrect and demonstrably wrong. I'd cite the majority of the membership of this site as proof. Then you roll out OKC, currently under review for its' Islamist ties and even if you accept the old familar version of whast happened, leveled by a loser and a loner with no real political ties. In the process you make yourself guilty of that which you claim to be offended by.

Strike Three: The left is the one seeking to take away your right to own a gun, control your property, stifle your parental rights and more. You denigrate the "Radical Right" simply because you disagree with them...even as you complain about the same from them.

BTW, it appears you missed the point about being a small minority. There are precious few Leftists who support the agenda of the Left and also come down on the side of the RKBA. The vast majority of them that I have encountered are right here on TFL/THR.

 

[2dogs]

"Right wing extremists don't blame, they hate- and who they hate is Jews, Blacks, ATF agents, gays, pro choice advocates and basically all whom they consider liberals, that being anyone who does not strictly adhere to their twisted view of the Constituion As exhibit A that what I say is correct- take a quick look at where a big buildings used to stand in Oklahoma City.

Sir please do not put words in my mouth or distort what I say- a tactic you apparently use to fight those with whom you do not agree but have no reasonable justification to disagree.

If you are insinuating that I am a right wing extremist you are wrong. If you are insinuating that I hate Jews, Blacks, ATF agents, gays or anybody else you are wrong.

If you take some time to research you may find that you are also wrong about the building in Oklahoma City ( oh may I add that it was MY brave co-workers who died that day).

By your tone sir it is beginning to appear that it is you, indeed, who may be hating. Forgive me if I am wrong.

:banghead:


Edited for clarity

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

There are precious few Leftists who support the agenda of the Left and also come down on the side of the RKBA. The vast majority of them that I have encountered are right here on TFL/THR.

Well, that's your experience. I think there are more than you think. Most of the gun owners I know could be described as liberal or leftist on most issues. Then there are folks like me that don't really fit well into the left-right spectrum. I mean, what do you call a green, civil libertarian, market social Democrat? It doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

 

[2nd Amendment]

I mean, what do you call a green, civil libertarian, market social Democrat?

Bipolar?

Dizzy?

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Ta dum

I don't know about the rest of y'all but I sure didn't get much work done today...

 

[2dogs]

what do you call a green, civil libertarian, market social Democrat

A grecilmasod of course

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

... wait a minute...

 

[Wildalaska]

Excuse me sir, how is someone who is trying to take away your right to defend your life not threatening your existence?

No one in fact can take away my right to defend myself..what the anti gunners seek to do is limit my access to SOME of the tools I can use to defend myself, and until the Constitution is amended AND the vast majority of Americans choose to eliminate them, I have no fear that I will be deprived of firearms.

Accordingly I refuse to view a misguided anti gunner as an "enemy"

Strike one, Wild: You march out the Hitler/Fascist routine. That's always the last gasp of those with a bankrupt argument.

Or actually, its the first answer for those who choose to include hate in their politics.

Strike two: You roll out with your diatribe against the Right and each thing you cite is obviously incorrect and demonstrably wrong. I'd cite the majority of the membership of this site as proof. Then you roll out OKC, currently under review for its' Islamist ties and even if you accept the old familar version of whast happened, leveled by a loser and a loner with no real political ties. In the process you make yourself guilty of that which you claim to be offended by.

Seems like I struck a nerve somewhere..maybe you should visit the Aryan nations website to check out their views on gun control...they hate too..
And I dont think that the majority of this member ship "hates" people who disagree with them...

Strike Three: The left is the one seeking to take away your right to own a gun, control your property, stifle your parental rights and more. You denigrate the "Radical Right" simply because you disagree with them...even as you complain about the same from them.

That does not make a lot of sense, with all due respect..please explain...

And by the way I am denigrating haters....

BTW, it appears you missed the point about being a small minority. There are precious few Leftists who support the agenda of the Left and also come down on the side of the RKBA.

How do you know?

If you are insinuating that I am a right wing extremist you are wrong. If you are insinuating that I hate Jews, Blacks, ATF agents, gays or anybody else you are wrong.

But you do hate liberals dont you....

 

[2nd Amendment]

Or actually, its the first answer for those who choose to include hate in their politics.

OK, so it appears to be your first AND last gasp. Fine

Seems like I struck a nerve somewhere..maybe you should visit the Aryan nations website to check out their views on gun control...they hate too..
And I dont think that the majority of this member ship "hates" people who disagree with them...

Struck a nerve? No. Utterly missed the point? Absolutely. Read it again.

That does not make a lot of sense, with all due respect..please explain...

You're condemning the Right and yet it's the Right that has fought this fight all along. This fight depends on the Right since there simply aren't enough participants on the Left who share your(our) views on this subject. It's the left across the board seeking to control things and you're spending your time condemning the Right because your views disagree with theirs(mine) and then fail to see your just as guilty of the same fault and not to mention blind to the reality.

And by the way I am denigrating haters...

No, you're labeling those you disagree with for advantage in debate.


How do you know?

The number of Leftists here. the number I have met in my years dabbling in politics and debate. the polls and studies that have been done over the years. Quite a variety of ways actually

But you do hate liberals dont you....

No, I hate the leftist leadership. I have a contempt for those who follow in ignorance, and a bigger contempt for those who actually know the score and still follow. But todays leftists have very little in common with Liberals. They may have co-opted the label but certainly not the ideals.

 

[2dogs]

But you do hate liberals dont you....

You gotta brush up those reading skills mate.

 

[2dogs]

No one in fact can take away my right to defend myself..what the anti gunners seek to do is limit my access to SOME of the tools I can use to defend myself

Pssssssssst- hey some body nudge this guy, he's talking in his sleep again.

You are dreaming, aren't you?

 

[Wildalaska]

"And the only thing that will marginalize RKBA is failing to realize who the enemy is. That would be the left and the Dem Party."

"Why demonize them? Because I have complete contempt for them. Beneath contempt. "

"You are a member of a very small minority and yes, the beliefs you say you support absolutely make you an "enemy" on most points."


"I hate the leftist leadership"

Enemy. Disgust. Contempt. Hate. All for people who share a different view.

Your words. Not mine.

It's the left across the board seeking to control things and you're spending your time condemning the Right because your views disagree with theirs(mine) and then fail to see your just as guilty of the same fault and not to mention blind to the reality.

Sorry sir I am condemning haters, not the "Right". Theres a difference. My views frequently coincide with those on the Right, frequently they dont. I just dont hate anybody, Im just afraid of haters.

 

[2dogs]

Im just afraid of haters.


Sir, I do not believe that anyone here hates you nor any one else.

 

[2nd Amendment]

Enemy. Disgust. Contempt. Hate. All for people who share a different view.

Fine. You see, I am not easy to deal with because I don't have a problem with what you say. I hate that small number of Leftist Elitists who drive on an anti-American agenda that despises everything that ever made this nation great. They truly do disgust me. I find people who empower these cretins without ever taking the time to know who it is they are voting for or for what those creatures stand contemptable. I find those who favor their anti-freedom agenda with full knowledge but no power to be even lower.

We live in an age where strong words and strong stands are more than many people care to handle and certainly more than they care to issue of their own volition. I, otoh, don't really care. I see only disaster in the things you support and I know those things well because I once espoused most of them myself. I'll oppose them as forcefully as possible now and voice my stand on those who hold them and wade through the labeling that comes with it in this PC age.

Label away. Just understand that if that's all you've got, that and your own hate filled generalizations about the Right, you'll be good for nothing more than a laugh in a very short space of time.

 

[Wildalaska]

Ill use your words 2nd A, slightly modified:

"I hate that small number of Leftist Elitists who drive on "what I define as anti-American agenda that despises everything that I think ever made this nation great. They truly do disgust me. "

You said it, not me...case closed.

 

[forquidder]

Contempt for leftists

Bravo 2nd Amendment, for wading through this argument and all the PC name calling with sound reasoning and the conviction to stand behind your ideals. I believe that it is indeed the mature individual who has come to the realization that there are consequences to political philosophies and once those (negative) consequences are understood, will stand against them.
How anyone can continue to think that they can approve of 95% of the Democrat party (Leftist) platform and not get the other 5% (i.e. bye bye guns) is beyond me. Particularly given the track-record of the previous Administration. "Liberalism" went out the window of the Democrat party with JFK.

Hey Wild, did you move up here from California or something?

 

[Wildalaska]

Hey Wild, did you move up here from California or something?

Nope.