Dems Debut National Ammo Control Bill in Congress - ‘Ammo Loophole’

[Speedo66]

You can't gather up all of the 350 million or so firearms in this country, so what do you do? You starve them to death by not allowing them to be fed with ammo. From their viewpoint probably makes a lot of sense.

If you can add a tax so they can show it additionally makes money, it would definitely sound like a win to a lot of people. It's not out of the question.

I'm not saying you should dramatically increase your ammo or reloading purchases, but it never hurts to have a little extra regardless, it won't go stale. If you don't have at least a year's supply on hand, then you probably didn't learn anything from the last ammo shortage.

 

[brewer12345]

I have been steadily buying more than I shoot. Only seems prudent to me. Guessing we see a panic start within 12 months.

 

[FlSwampRat]

No matter how courageous and defiant gun owners are, the firearms, ammunition, and accessories distributors and retailers are largely Neo-capitalists who put profit above everything else. They would gladly urinate on the constitution if it means a 5% increase in sales.

As a patriotic disabled vet who works retailing firearms, I take exception to your labeling of wholesalers and retailers in the industry as being willing to disrespect the constitution. People in any area of the country elect their representatives in their local and state governments and those are they who are the ones passing locally restrictive laws. I didn't elect a single person to sit in any government body anywhere in California. Or Illinois, New York, etc.
I sell extended magazines for Glocks, for example. They cost me $15 to get in my door. I sell them for $21.99. That's a capitalist's dream selling for a gross profit of $6.99. Now, to be sure I'm legal I would have to research those restrictive areas for any state and local laws to be sure I'm not breaking any. Out of that $6.99 has to come some money toward rent of the storefront, lights, phone, my time on the computer to check the ordinances and hope there's some kind of net profit when all is said and done. It's much easier on the gross/net difference to say no to areas known for overly restrictive and arbitrary laws. If the net profit is less than the cost, i.e. a negative number, why would any retailer do that?
Remember, these people were put in office by we the people. Especially remember that next time you go in a voting booth.

 

[Trey Veston]

As a patriotic disabled vet who works retailing firearms, I take exception to your labeling of wholesalers and retailers in the industry as being willing to disrespect the constitution. People in any area of the country elect their representatives in their local and state governments and those are they who are the ones passing locally restrictive laws. I didn't elect a single person to sit in any government body anywhere in California. Or Illinois, New York, etc.
I sell extended magazines for Glocks, for example. They cost me $15 to get in my door. I sell them for $21.99. That's a capitalist's dream selling for a gross profit of $6.99. Now, to be sure I'm legal I would have to research those restrictive areas for any state and local laws to be sure I'm not breaking any. Out of that $6.99 has to come some money toward rent of the storefront, lights, phone, my time on the computer to check the ordinances and hope there's some kind of net profit when all is said and done. It's much easier on the gross/net difference to say no to areas known for overly restrictive and arbitrary laws. If the net profit is less than the cost, i.e. a negative number, why would any retailer do that?
Remember, these people were put in office by we the people. Especially remember that next time you go in a voting booth.

I said "largely" and stand by my statement. Of course there are some patriotic folks in the business. Too many people looking to be offended these days...

 

[Sniper66]

As a patriotic disabled vet who works retailing firearms, I take exception to your labeling of wholesalers and retailers in the industry as being willing to disrespect the constitution. People in any area of the country elect their representatives in their local and state governments and those are they who are the ones passing locally restrictive laws. I didn't elect a single person to sit in any government body anywhere in California. Or Illinois, New York, etc.
I sell extended magazines for Glocks, for example. They cost me $15 to get in my door. I sell them for $21.99. That's a capitalist's dream selling for a gross profit of $6.99. Now, to be sure I'm legal I would have to research those restrictive areas for any state and local laws to be sure I'm not breaking any. Out of that $6.99 has to come some money toward rent of the storefront, lights, phone, my time on the computer to check the ordinances and hope there's some kind of net profit when all is said and done. It's much easier on the gross/net difference to say no to areas known for overly restrictive and arbitrary laws. If the net profit is less than the cost, i.e. a negative number, why would any retailer do that?
Remember, these people were put in office by we the people. Especially remember that next time you go in a voting booth.

Now age 72, I've been doing business with retailers, wholesalers, kitchen table dealers, auction companies, etc, all in the business of gun, ammo, and reloading sales. i have not met one, not a single one

I said "largely" and stand by my statement. Of course there are some patriotic folks in the business. Too many people looking to be offended these days...

Now age 72, I've been doing business with retailers, wholesalers, kitchen table dealers, auction companies, etc, all in the business of guns, ammo, and reloading sales for the last 5 or 6 decades. I have met maybe one or two snakes, but the vast majority have been decent honest people; probably like FlSwampRat.

 

[OARNGESI]

Why not designate that you are legally allowed to use your rights on every one that is allowed then we don’t need any checks because it will say on there id

 

[FlSwampRat]

Why not designate that you are legally allowed to use your rights on every one that is allowed then we don’t need any checks because it will say on there id

Because things change. You can have a card saying you are approved and then have a fistfight with your sig other and then not be approvable anymore.

 

[Gohon]

These kind of Bills flood in every year. Even if it does come to the floor and passed in the Democrat controlled House, it will never see daylight in the Senate.

 

[herrwalther]

I wonder what the "ammo loophole" is? Do they put 10 rounds of preferred caliber in every prescription bottle? Ammo in Count Chocula?

 

[LiveLife]

These kind of Bills flood in every year. Even if it does come to the floor and passed in the Democrat controlled House, it will never see daylight in the Senate.

What if we didn't have Republican controlled Senate?

The anti-gun group will push hardest now the House is Democrat controlled and I foresee this as just the start.

Remember, these people were put in office by we the people. Especially remember that next time you go in a voting booth.

And we can vote them out.

Time to pull the stops and "Just Say No!"

All gun owners need to come together and pressure the law makers on both parties to let them know to stop taking "self defense rights" away from voters!

Our law makers are now starting to fully impose on our rights and it's pissing me off. When will they stop? Will they ban fists because they could be used for self defense? Good grief!

Time to "spread the word" on every communication means to rally support for "self defense rights".

I will be writing, emailing, spreading the word to everyone I know about this new development.

 

[JONWILL]

It was tried before and it proved totally impractical and counterproductive. This isn't going anywhere.

This. It is just a bill to fire up the base and keep them in a frenzy. They know it won't go anywhere

 

[milemaker13]

Remember, these people were put in office by we the people. Especially remember that next time you go in a voting booth.

Not by Me the people...

Too many people looking to be offended these days...

Very true...

 

[FlSwampRat]

What if we didn't have Republican controlled Senate?

The anti-gun group will push hardest now the House is Democrat controlled and I foresee this as just the start. And we can vote them out.
Time to pull the stops and "Just Say No!" All gun owners need to come together and pressure the law makers on both parties to let them know to stop taking "self defense rights" away from voters!

Go to a gun show, rent a table and instead of selling something, organize! Inform the shooting public who may not be aware of all the impending doom legislation. Start a campaign to get gun show visitors registered to vote. The other side certainly does these things. Don't just sit home and post about it.
I am very vocal about these things in my store, I try to educate and inform, taking time with even customers who don't want to buy something. I don't debate, I inform. If I don't know the answer to someone's question I consult the oracles of Google and Bing. Sometimes even Yahoo.
Sadly many people who think they're informed are grossly misinformed.

 

[giggitygiggity]

I love how Dems like to label laws or practices that they don’t like as “loopholes.” I wish Republicans pursued pro-gun legislation even at half the intensity that the Dems pursue anti-gun legislation. Had the Republicans done so, we would have repealed the NFA and liberated CA.

 

[LiveLife]

I wish Republicans pursued pro-gun legislation even at half the intensity that the Dems pursue anti-gun legislation. Had the Republicans done so, we would have repealed the NFA and liberated CA.

Never say never. Stranger things have happened. After election upset of 2016, I will believe anything is possible.

Let the momentum of anti-gun "push back" and "enough is enough" continue and inform your law makers and vote out the ones that are anti-gun.

 

[Sovblocgunfan]

So, uh... is this one we are willing to accept in exchange for something else? Asking for a friend...

 

[Trunk Monkey]

These kind of Bills flood in every year. Even if it does come to the floor and passed in the Democrat controlled House, it will never see daylight in the Senate.

No one thought the magazine capacity restrictions would pass in Colorado....until they did

 

[Deanimator]

So, uh... is this one we are willing to accept in exchange for something else? Asking for a friend...

Some "gun owners" are EAGER to accept it in exchange for... a national handgun ban.

 

[Ignition Override]

No illegal Russian collusion after two years and high employment, so just one more distraction.
Even though it won't get through the Senate, one thought.

People often seem surprised or baffled when I tell them that I have lots of ammo in a single chambering. Many of us don't follow the mindless crowd (other than indiscretions about what we Do have). We know better.
This is a reserve to weather the next ammo panic. The cause or pretext won't matter.

Sniper66: But do those vast numbers of shooters vote in ways which help preserve their constitutional rights?
Without doing so, they have No voice.

 

[Tommygunn]

Even though it won't get through the Senate, one thought.

People often seem surprised or baffled when I tell them that I have 10,000 rds. of ammo in a single chambering.
This is a reserve to weather the next ammo panic. The cause or pretext won't matter.

Sniper66: But do those vast numbers of shooters vote in ways which help preserve their constitutional rights?
Without doing so, they have No voice.

You really ought not tell people that .....

 

[FROGO207]

One of the guys I work with was discussing this topic with me the other day. Said he had a couple boxes of aut-6 and a couple boxes of 12 GA and some .22 so why would it matter to institute BG check on ammo and he would not be needing any more for about 20 years or so. Couldn't talk him into opposing this ---- some people!!!

 

[OARNGESI]

Because things change. You can have a card saying you are approved and then have a fistfight with your sig other and then not be approvable anymore.

What’s the difference if you use a ccw to bypass a background check?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

If something like this passed it might actually prompt me to get into reloading, something that's not been worth it to me in the past from a time standpoint.

Wouldn't it be stupid to pass such a law that didn't include ammo components? smh

That said, I predict a run on reloading components in 3, 2, 1...GO!!!!

 

[D.B. Cooper]

One of the guys I work with was discussing this topic with me the other day. Said he had a couple boxes of aut-6 and a couple boxes of 12 GA and some .22 so why would it matter to institute BG check on ammo and he would not be needing any more for about 20 years or so. Couldn't talk him into opposing this ---- some people!!!

Most hunters are not what we might call "shooting enthusiasts." (And shooting is actually one of the least stressed components of hunting.) Some may support or even own an AR, but they're not training or competing, so they don't understand the idea of "never enough ammo." When my Dad passed, his entire ammo supply fit into one 50 cal ammo can. (Some bird shot, a few rifle cartridges, that was a bout it.) My girlfriend's dad saw something recently about a proposed 1k round per month limit; he thought that was a lot of ammo. I run through close to that every month just doing USPSA. If I went back to Service Rifle as well, I would far exceed that limit.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

If you can add a tax so they can show it additionally makes money, it would definitely sound like a win to a lot of people.

Absolutely. My local town council has a referendum up next week to pass an excise tax on liquor with the funds generated to be spent on rehab and fighting homelessness. The "pro" side's argument is that alcohol causes so many societal problems, and alcohol should help pay for it. I don't think it will be long before the same argument is applied to ammo. (Guns and ammo cause school shootings so we're going to tax guns and ammo and use that money to increase school security.)

If you don't have at least a year's supply on hand, then you probably didn't learn anything from the last ammo shortage.

AMEN! I certainly learned.

The problem, however, is how does one define "a year's supply?" I'm going through about 800 rounds per month just for USPSA. In an ammo crunch, do I continue to consume ammo as I did before, or do stop shooting as much? (If I'm not competing, 9600 rounds of ammo will last me many years.)