Reading these posts reminds me how creative the government types can get when it comes to creating laws that "generate revenue" for them. And of course that money almost never goes to the identified target. Rather it goes to a general fund and allocated as they see fit; never as the public was led to believe. Having sat in on numerous meetings where government types and those who thrive on the people's money do this planning, they always lie as a way of "selling" the idea to unsuspecting tax payers.
Dems Debut National Ammo Control Bill in Congress - ‘Ammo Loophole’
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Ignition Override
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Do such totally ignorant, self-serving politicians realize that some of us shoot 1,500 rds. of .22LR in just *two weeks*, after buying a first, or second type of .22 handgun?
They generally don't care because they believe what they want. I buy ammo when I find a good deal, knowing I'll use it in the future. I might not shoot it for months, like shotgun shells at the trap range during winter, but come good weather it gets used up quickly. Same with prairie dog shooting. I have several 1,000 rounds of various ammos and can shoot 100s in a single outing. And yes, I once ran out of .204 ammo because there were many more dogs than I anticipated. This year I have 2 prairie dog hunts scheduled. Such concerns fall on deaf ears since they don't like hunting anyway. Their delicate sensibilities direct them to oppose hunting. Sad critters these government types.
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The point is that they don't care because it does not affect them. One female friend thinks that a 50 round of .22 should last me a year or more. I still can't get her to come shooting at the range because she thinks that someone there ""might"" suddenly snap and mow everybody else down with their "AR machinegun".
I still keep trying to get the fence sitters to the range for PR purposes. One box of .22 , 38 SPL, and 556 is a small price to pay for gaining another pro 2A supporter IMHO. I hope you others are trying to do the same when the opportunity presents itself.
ETA one tip that I find a good strategy is to use a wood stocked Mini 14 with a 5 round mag first, then get out the "scary" MSR and explain they use the same ammo. Shoot it some and then go back and then put that 30 rounder you have for the Mini into it and say "same--same" and let them go at it with the mini. This approach has changed a LOT of opinions around here about the MSR.
I still keep trying to get the fence sitters to the range for PR purposes. One box of .22 , 38 SPL, and 556 is a small price to pay for gaining another pro 2A supporter IMHO. I hope you others are trying to do the same when the opportunity presents itself.ETA one tip that I find a good strategy is to use a wood stocked Mini 14 with a 5 round mag first, then get out the "scary" MSR and explain they use the same ammo. Shoot it some and then go back and then put that 30 rounder you have for the Mini into it and say "same--same" and let them go at it with the mini. This approach has changed a LOT of opinions around here about the MSR.
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Trunk Monkey
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If I learned nothing else from the last ammo panic it's that it wasn't the last ammo panic.
I've learned my lesson well. I've also learned that another ammo panic is not only likely but inevitable. We have an ammunition envelope that we put a couple of bucks in every payday and when we find a sale we buy.
I've learned my lesson well. I've also learned that another ammo panic is not only likely but inevitable. We have an ammunition envelope that we put a couple of bucks in every payday and when we find a sale we buy.
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They don't care, they want you disarmed
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FROGO207:
Possibly you can show that female friend one of the nice videos by "Warrior Poet Society" :"Taking an Anti to the Range".
The attractive young Aussie guest is Not decidedly Anti, just a bit skeptical due to media indoctrination, as usual--but open-minded. She said she would 'Give it a go".
If your friend watches a few min. of that former Army Ranger's video at the Kennasaw GA range, you might ask her to contemplate, for a while, what a range used by law-abiding people has in common with the bad parts of Chicago, south central LA or downtown Mogadishu Somalia (?).
And why 99.999% of American gun owners never shot anybody except maybe a poisonous (west TN) cottonmouth snake on a river bank. Would you dare ask her about these ideas?
Possibly you can show that female friend one of the nice videos by "Warrior Poet Society" :"Taking an Anti to the Range".
The attractive young Aussie guest is Not decidedly Anti, just a bit skeptical due to media indoctrination, as usual--but open-minded. She said she would 'Give it a go".
If your friend watches a few min. of that former Army Ranger's video at the Kennasaw GA range, you might ask her to contemplate, for a while, what a range used by law-abiding people has in common with the bad parts of Chicago, south central LA or downtown Mogadishu Somalia (?).
And why 99.999% of American gun owners never shot anybody except maybe a poisonous (west TN) cottonmouth snake on a river bank. Would you dare ask her about these ideas?
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Yes, it was back then too.
Good Ol' Boy
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Although I'm obviously against stupid legislation such as what's proposed in the OP, I'm lucky in the fact that I have a close friend with an ample supply so I never get too worried about "shortages".
I won't go into details but if you're not aware what a 40ft shipping container looks like just Google it. Then picture more than one.
I won't go into details but if you're not aware what a 40ft shipping container looks like just Google it. Then picture more than one.
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This quote is attributed to C. S. Lewis, author of the "Narnia" books, many years ago and is right in line with your statement.
“Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” - - C. S. Lewis
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Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal
Lied about serving in Vietnam while campaigning for re-election, and the dems still got him re-elected.
He's been there forever, and has no fear of being voted out, so he just takes the money from the1st in line contributors like Soros/Bloomberg, who finance any gun grabbing law with a catchy name they can dream up.
Ct is the mini-east coast version of Comifornia, I left CT in '94 after they started a State income tax.
Lied about serving in Vietnam while campaigning for re-election, and the dems still got him re-elected.
He's been there forever, and has no fear of being voted out, so he just takes the money from the1st in line contributors like Soros/Bloomberg, who finance any gun grabbing law with a catchy name they can dream up.
Ct is the mini-east coast version of Comifornia, I left CT in '94 after they started a State income tax.
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Wow JTHunter! I wish there was a double or triple "like" button I could have clicked on. Because I would have!
Thanks for posting that quote.
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In Fla a ccw doesn't bypass the background check, only the waiting period. Heck, even valid LEO credentials don't bypass a background check for a personal gun purchase. Because a CCW is valid for years and things can happen to alter someone's life circumstances, someone could do prison time and then get out, use his ccw (now invalid because of the stretch behind bars, but who is going to know that without a br check?) to illegally purchase a gun. Sorry if this is heresy to some, but I support br checks as long as no record is maintained in the system for the approval being issued. I am wary of the government, although I don't doubt that a second set of books with hidden records are being kept somewhere.
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No, that was bumpstocks and look what we got for that...*crickets*
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I can personally attest to this. In 1997-98, I was working the gun counter at a Sports Authority in Tampa, FL, and, on at least one occasion, I got a denial from FDLE on the NICS check for a LEO. He was in uniform and armed at the time. From what I gathered fro the cop at the time was that he had a Domestic Violence restraining order against him, and that was triggering the denial. On another occasion, a LEO who did not have a CCW had to comply with the waiting period. Both were furious.
Do not be seduced into thinking this is a functional alternative. You can be certain that a required background check for ammo purchase would include "transfers" from one guy to another. And your well-supplied and generous friend would most certainly exceed the limits on ammo ownership. Do not underestimate the determination of "omnipotent moral busybodies".
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Why was he allowed to be armed?
I've been preaching this for years to the choir(us)/not the grabbers, "they" are going to give up on banning guns and simply go after the ammo someday, and that "someday" seems to have arrived.
That will turn any gun into a club weapon, a wall hanger/art or a throw away.
There's already a Fed tax paid by the ammo mfg. that's rolled into the price of ammo that most are not aware off, because it's not added on at the register or stated anywhere on the box, like the signage at the gas pump states each tax included in the price.
Another Preach to...(hate to predict)
I can see an ammo tax going the way of the cigarette "sin" tax, a tax way more than the original cost of ammo and components to make them out of reach of the average shooter/reloader.
Remember that cig tax was justified as funds to treat smokers for the health problems associated with smoking...Yeh right like that ever happened
I hope neither of these things happen in my life time
We will turn to pneumatic/spring "guns" until "they" reel in pellets and BBs into the ammo ban, and then what, slingshots
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That will turn any gun into a club weapon, a wall hanger/art or a throw away.
There's already a Fed tax paid by the ammo mfg. that's rolled into the price of ammo that most are not aware off, because it's not added on at the register or stated anywhere on the box, like the signage at the gas pump states each tax included in the price.
Another Preach to...(hate to predict)
I can see an ammo tax going the way of the cigarette "sin" tax, a tax way more than the original cost of ammo and components to make them out of reach of the average shooter/reloader.
Remember that cig tax was justified as funds to treat smokers for the health problems associated with smoking...Yeh right like that ever happened
I hope neither of these things happen in my life time
We will turn to pneumatic/spring "guns" until "they" reel in pellets and BBs into the ammo ban, and then what, slingshots
.edit: I hate preaching to the choir and reading threads like this, it's
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Even a huge ammo tax--despite being far from any reality--can't stop a thug from stealing a gun from somebody's truck, home or smashing a car into a gun shop.
Or keeping guns and ammo which they already have.
The gun grabbers feel that most of their "destroy good guys' guns and world peace will happen!" supporters are unable to figure this out, or will ignore it?
Or keeping guns and ammo which they already have.
The gun grabbers feel that most of their "destroy good guys' guns and world peace will happen!" supporters are unable to figure this out, or will ignore it?
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If a tax is instituted, it will be many years before I pay any of it.
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Because he was a Sheriff's deputy.
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That's not a reason.
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It's called a double standard...
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