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  1. JO JO

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    Deputy assigned to Florida school 'never went in' during shooting, sheriff says - Fox News

    Can you believe this there was an armed deputy in uniform at the school during the shooting and he decided to take cover outside and not engage the shooter,
    Makes me sick, putting armed security in schools will only be effective if the armed deputy/teacher or officer will engage an active shooter, this is sad that someone was armed and there for protection and decided to hide outside while hearing the gun fire
     
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    It was also reported that he was the one who was suppose to investigate the reported threats.

    Something smells rotten here.
     
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    Of course I believe it.

    We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself.
     
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    Something wrong here. More facts needed.
     
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    And the left say we don’t need guns.
    It’s bad enough that average response time for police is over 10 min. It’s horribke when a cop is there and doesn’t do anything.
     
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    It’s sad, but I doubt anybody is truly surprised. It takes a special kind of person to run towards enemy fire. A badge doesn’t make the man right for the job. Who could ever guess which way a person will run, even the most devoted may turn and run when they hit “fight or flight”.
     
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    yep. it happens. not all law enforcement are brave and do their jobs. most are so thats good.

    not much different than folks in any other industry. some good some bad.
     
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    When a school shooting happens, one of the first suggestions, often as an alternative to gun ban proposals, is to allow teachers or other responsible adults who work at rhe school to be legally armed. But it seems to me that that is unlikely unless several big issues can be dealt with (and, of course, if some teachers have no problem with carrying guns*). First and foremost is the question of legal liability. Ordinarily, a LEO is employed by a legal jurisdiction (city/state/county) which backs the LEO legally as long as he/she follows the rules. But a teacher, even though experienced with guns, is not a trained LEO and was not hired for that job. It seems to me that, although allowing some teachers or other administrative personnel to be armed seems like a good idea, there are a lot of legal problems to consider, which is something neither side in any debate on guns seems to ever do.

    This is not the same thing as self-defense. It is not an individual teacher choosing to carry a gun for his/her own defense; it is known and understood that the gun will be used to defend others, the same as an LEO's handgun. So what would be the liability issues if the armed teacher were to wound or kill an innocent person (or even a mass murderer if, say, CNN chose to defend him?)

    * I know a man who is now teaching in a FL high school (not the one in the news) who served two tours with the SEALS in Afghanistan; he would probably have few problems adding to his body count if some punk pulled a gun, but he is an exception, not the rule among HS teachers..

    Jim
     
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    Active Shooter training for LE since Columbine has been enter and engage. I think about 95% of the time when a school murderer is actually confronted with an armed responder they tend to off themselves. This person drew his sidearm and waited outside until the gun shots stopped.
     
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    A friend called the Cleveland Metroparks Rangers from my apartment. They haven't responded in 20+ years...
     
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    He's already resigned. His name is Scot Peterson.

    It's hard for one person with a pistol to go in a school by themselves with an active shooter with an AR15.........I don't want to second guess anyone. However, everyone knows that active shooter situations end in minutes, if he was already there he could have perhaps stopped it.
     
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    Yeah, but he did go home safe...
     
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    Adults that he lived with failed to notice his behavior, numerous teachers and school counselors knew about his violent, assaultive behavior and problems, School District dropped the ball by not expelling him, FBI dropped the ball by not investigating several different reports about his behavior, School Resource Officer / Deputy refused to enter the school and confront the shooter and, in spite of all of this, it is the AR-15 that is responsible for the deaths and injuries.
     
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    It would be harder for me to do nothing watching and listening to dozens of children get shot when I have the ability and tools to intervene.
     
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    Let me FIRST guess him.

    Stop telling me that I don't need a gun because the police will "protect" me. Its just as much of a lie as the first time it was said.
     
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    Personally I think this man was somewhat of a coward. But honestly he knew nothing of the situation. Was it one shooter? 3? What were they armed with? WHERE were they? This was a big school. If this guy was simply armed with a Dept issued sidearm, he had little chance in an active shooter scenario against an attacker with an AR. And we all know it if we stop thinking with emotion and start thinking with our rational brains. But now he’s going to live every day knowing he could have done something and young people died from his inaction. Don’t be surprised if we hear about this guy committing suicide later on.
     
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    I GUARANTEE you he had a better chance than the kids or the unarmed teachers who died defending them.

    It shouldn't be sugar coated.

    He's a COWARD.

    I'm sure he can justify what he did, at least to himself.

    I doubt he'll miss a night's sleep.
     
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    I've been hearing tons of drivel on TV about how "teachers aren't trained to carry weapons," etc., but I think of it this way: I'm a teacher (community college). I have a CCW. I have my pick of several small pistols that can be concealed so that no one will ever know I'm carrying them. I can shoot. I'm not any kind of tactical ninja or anything, and I'm not about to go hunting the hallways for an active shooter. If (God forbid) there were to be an active shooter incident at my school, I would follow the protocol they teach us: Run, Hide, Fight.
    1. First, get myself and the students out of the building and headed for the treeline. (We're a rural campus.)
    2. If that's not possible, shelter in place: lock the door, close the blinds, get everybody down on the floor against the walls, out of the line of sight of the doorway.
    3. If somebody comes through the door with the intention of slaughtering everybody in the room, I believe that my students and I would have a much better chance of survival if I had a pistol in my hands -- even a pocket .380 -- instead of a chair or a fire extinguisher.
    That's the armed teacher scenario that I envision: last resort in the face of imminent death. I found it bitterly ironic that when we got our active-shooter training, the campus officer who was narrating the slide show for us, telling us how fire extinguishers make great weapons, had a Glock 17 on his belt.

    I would be happy to take any training that would allow me to carry at my job, especially if the county paid for my ammo. I would gladly take any qualification deemed appropriate, and if I failed it, I would keep training until I passed. But I live in New York State, and the day we get armed teachers is the day that unicorns will fly out of my butt singing the Hallelujah Chorus.
     
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    The amount of online venom spewed towards this deputy is disgusting. No one every truly knows how they will react when faced with extreme stress and potential death. Even those who have run towards gunfire many times before sometimes lock up with fear. Unless you've been there it's best not to judge too harshly. It appears the deputy has done the right thing by resigning. It appears that he isn't cut out for what the job may require and found out the most tragic way possible. Unfortunately there is no way to know for sure before it happens. There is no way to truly test for that kind of courage, nor can training guarantee it.

    The deputy isn't the villain here, nor is the firearm. It's the individual who chose to take innocent lives. Maybe it's time to step up and teach our children at home where we can protect them from people like this.
     
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    You will never know how you will react until you actually face this kind of situation head on.
    I know how I would like to react.

    Anyone here ever had a gun pointed at you. Not military or an LEO but as an untrained civilian.
    I can tell you it is not much fun and my reaction was to exit the area. At the time I did not have any means of defense
    so an exit was my only choice.
     
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    If the coach had been the one who failed to intervene I would agree entirely. That was not his role and not what he was trained to do.
    On the other hand the deputy took on a job voluntarily, where it was not unreasonable for him to expect to encounter a situation where his personal safety could be jeopardized in the process of discharging his duties. I will stop short of condemning his actions entirely because I don't have all the facts, but in my opinion the outcry over his failure to act is not unreasonable, given his role.
     
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    I found myself on the business end of a revolver back in my early 20's. It was an elderly man about 5 feet away from me. I did what so many people do. I turned into a dear in the headlights. You have no concept of time while in that state nor do you have anything resembling good reasoning skills. Courage becomes a moot point from 5 feet away with a loaded gun pointed at your chest. I knew I was dead if he wanted me to be and there wasn't a damn thing I could have done. I was lucky. It turned out to be a harmless old man with a "Get off my lawn" mentality. It really is the truth when they say that you don't know how you will react until you are put in that position.

    Over the years, I have found myself wondering how I would react if put in the same situation again or be in a similar situation as this officer. My experience gives me sympathy for him but I know for a fact that I would count myself a coward for the rest of my life if I didn't act.
     
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    So much for Serve and Protect.

    I'm sure he collected a paycheck and collected taxes (in the form of tickets) just fine though.
     
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    I was a public school teacher for nearly three decades. If it weren't a felony I would have carried every day.

    I have no idea if I have the courage o confront an active shooter...but I know it's far more likely if I have a gun of my own.
     
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