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Maybe that former postal worker did it.

CHINO, Calif. -- An investigation is under way after a military police officer was allegedly shot by deputies following a police pursuit in Chino.

According to deputies, a chase occured after a driver refused to pull over just before 10:30 Sunday night.

Residents and deputies observed a blue Corvette racing through a Chino neighborhood at more than 100 mph. There was a brief pursuit before the driver crashed into a fence. A resident of the area grabbed his home video camera.

"I don't know exactly what kind of footage he has on his videotape," said Jodi Miller with the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department.

The tape is in the possession of the sheriff's department.

Ilio Carreon, who was a passenger in the car, is recovering Monday from surgery after the confrontation.

Relatives who saw a portion of the tape tell NBC4 that Carreon was calm, in control and cooperating with the deputy.

NBC4 reports that at 10:21 p.m. the sheriff's deputy radio dispatched that he was holding a suspect at gunpoint.

At 10:26 p.m. neighbors say they heard four gunshots.

"He was getting out of the car with his hands up and that's when his friend started running. Since my husband was surrendering, they shot him. They shot him on the shoulder, on the chest and the leg," said the victim's wife Mariela Carreon.

Relatives don't believe Carreon would have carried a weapon, even though he is an MP with the Air Force. Carreon was home on leave from Iraq and had been out with friends Sunday night.

Relatives tell NBC4 that Carreon always carried his military badge and ID with him and he may have been shot reaching for those items in his pocket.

The driver of the car was arrested and charged with felony evading. The deputy who was on patrol was not injured and is on administrative leave.
 
If the shootee was reaching for anything even his military ID, what else could the officer have done? Command, cover, shoot.

If he reached for nothing, that's murder, badge or not. It will be interesting to see the details as they come out on this.
 
Since when are MP's allowed to carry their badge off duty?
 
Deputy Shooting Of Military Police Officer Under Investigation

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/6604502/detail.html

CHINO, Calif. -- An Air Force Police Officer on leave from Iraq remains in critical condition Tuesday after he was shot by a San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputy in an incident that is now under investigation.

According to deputies, a chase occured after a driver refused to pull over just before 10:30 Sunday night in Chino.

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Residents and deputies observed a blue Corvette racing through a Chino neighborhood at more than 100 mph. There was a brief pursuit before the driver crashed into a fence. A resident of the area grabbed his home video camera.

"I don't know exactly what kind of footage he has on his videotape," said Jodi Miller with the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department.

The tape is in the possession of the sheriff's department.

Ilio Carreon, who was a passenger in the car, was recovering Monday from surgery after the confrontation.

Relatives who saw a portion of the tape tell NBC4 that Carreon was calm, in control and cooperating with the deputy.

NBC4 reports that at 10:21 p.m. the sheriff's deputy radio dispatched that he was holding a suspect at gunpoint.

At 10:26 p.m. neighbors say they heard four gunshots.

"He was getting out of the car with his hands up and that's when his friend started running. Since my husband was surrendering, they shot him. They shot him on the shoulder, on the chest and the leg," said the victim's wife Mariela Carreon.

Relatives don't believe Carreon would have carried a weapon, even though he is an MP with the Air Force. Carreon was home on leave from Iraq and had been out with friends Sunday night.

Relatives tell NBC4 that Carreon always carried his military badge and ID with him and he may have been shot reaching for those items in his pocket.

The driver of the car was arrested and charged with felony evading. The deputy who was on patrol was not injured and is on administrative leave.


Hopefully this guy makes it...and I dont think the officer is going to have his job for very much longer??? Supposedly the MP was shot reaching for his military badge and i.d. He was also supposedly saying I am an M.P. I surrender and that is when he was shot(according to the video).
 
HRLRDR22 said:
Hopefully this guy makes it...and I dont think the officer is going to have his job for very much longer??? Supposedly the MP was shot reaching for his military badge and i.d. He was also supposedly saying I am an M.P. I surrender and that is when he was shot(according to the video).
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Pending review of the videotape, there's not a whole lot to say since there are very few facts available. However, in respnse to your comments, what in the story suggests that the officer won't have his job for much longer? If the MP was reaching for his ID and badge after being told not to move (if that is what in fact happened) then the officer was justified in shooting. The alternative was to wait to see what came out in the MP's hand and that could well have been a weapon. The MP should know to follow instructions through his own training and should know what not to do in this sort of situation, again through his own training.

You also state that "according to the video" the MP was surrendering, etc., when in fact the only information about what was on the video, in this article, was a staement by the MP's relatives, hardly an unbiased and reliable source.

As I stated earlier, there is really nothing to discuss as there is insufficient verifiable information in this news story to hash over. There is nothing there to make a judgement on the actions of either the officer or the MP. We can only speculate based on a paucity of information.:)
 
They used to be called SPs in the AF... now they are Security Forces, but most of us cannot bring ourselves to call them SF'ers since that has always mean Army Special Forces.

Interesting... AF cops are not supposed to carry their badges off duty - they hold no value/meaning off base. Also, if he is a cop I don't see him behaving stupidly during a traffic stop since he has had the same training and knows he'd get shot if reaching for something.

Then again.. if he was blitzed and driving like he is alleged to have done, maybe he wasn't thinking clearly enough. :dunno:

We'll have to wait for more facts.
 
Car Knocker read the whole comment i put "supposedly" was used more than one time....so i am not saying if it is true or not just what ive heard on other sites and the local media considering I am only 20 miles away from where it happened
 
Video Shows Officer Shooting Airman
By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ
Associated Press Writer

January 31, 2006, 3:10 PM EST

CHINO, Calif. -- A videotape released Tuesday shows a sheriff's deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force policeman who recently returned from Iraq as he appeared to obey an order to get up off the ground.

KTLA-TV broadcast a 40-second clip it said came from a Chino resident who videotaped Sunday night's shooting, which followed a 100 mph car chase.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was listed in good condition at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. He was shot three times in the chest, ribs and leg, his father-in-law, Ernesto Paz, told KTLA-TV.

Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that crashed into a wall following the brief chase, authorities said.

The dark, grainy videotape shows Carrion lying on the ground next to the car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion supports himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer's flashlight.

Carrion is heard telling the officer he is unarmed and is in the military.

At one point, a voice is heard saying several times: "Get up."

Carrion says: "I'm gonna get up." As he rose, at least four shots were fired and Carrion collapsed.

Investigators from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department took the original tape, refusing to release it to the public or describe what it shows.

The deputy, whose name was not released, was placed on paid administrative leave, a routine procedure in officer-involved shootings.

Sheriff Gary Penrod said he could not comment until the investigation is completed.

Carrion was not charged with a crime, although the incident remained under investigation, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

The driver of the Corvette, identified by authorities as Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, was arrested for investigation of felony evading.

Carrion and Escobedo had left a party at the home of Carrion's parents to drive to a store, said the airman's wife, Mariela.

A woman who answered the telephone at the Montclair home of Carrion's parents said they were headed to the hospital and nobody at the residence wanted to talk.

Carrion was scheduled to report on Wednesday to his unit, the 2nd Security Forces Squadron, at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La.

An Air Force spokesman, Lt. Frank Hartnett, said Carrion was a security officer at the base. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

Chino is about 40 miles east of Los Angeles.
 
Two guys in a Corvette evade the police, crash their car, and one takes off on foot when confronted by the police...

If there hadn't been a camera and the suspect hadn't been military, this wouldn't even make the local paper.

I'm personally disgusted that an MP was a) driving so recklessly b) evaded arrest c) didn't comply with the officer.

I respect our armed forces (and am tring to enlist myself) but this is just sad.
 
Thain said:
Two guys in a Corvette evade the police, crash their car, and one takes off on foot when confronted by the police...

If there hadn't been a camera and the suspect hadn't been military, this wouldn't even make the local paper.

I'm personally disgusted that an MP was a) driving so recklessly b) evaded arrest c) didn't comply with the officer.

I respect our armed forces (and am tring to enlist myself) but this is just sad.
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a) the mp wasn't the driver
b) the description says he was obeying the LEO's commands
c) that remains to be seen from the tape
 
Then again.. if he was blitzed and driving like he is alleged to have done, maybe he wasn't thinking clearly enough. :dunno:
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According to the story the guy that was shot was the passenger. The driver hauled ass when the car crashed thru the fence.

Still reaching for anything when a cop has his gun out is not a terribly life continuation type of act.
 
There are currently several versions of who did what and how floating around, until the tape is released I can't take much a postion on the matter.

Still, my main point is that without the camera or the military connect, we wouldn't be hearing about this at all.

Don't run from cops. Ever.
 
TheOtherOne said:
A short clip of the actual shooting is available here:

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_031120532.html

The video is too dark to really tell if he was reaching for anything or not. You mainly just hear the cop say "get up, get up" and than hear three shots.
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Wow! I wonder what the deputy saw, or thought he saw... the video doesn't appear to show anything that would lead me to believe shooting was justified.

I freely admit that looking at the video while sipping my glass of Yoo Hoo over breakfast is not so stressing and taxing as being a deputy on scene... not judging the deputy. :cool:
 
Man, they've showed that vid 5 times so far on the news this AM with the MP highlighted.
As near as I can tell, the guy was just complying with the LEO's demands when he was shot. I can see nothing that warranted that action.

:confused:

Biker
 
Biker said:
Man, they've showed that vid 5 times so far on the news this AM with the MP highlighted.
As near as I can tell, the guy was just complying with the LEO's demands when he was shot. I can see nothing that warranted that action.

:confused:

Biker
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Maybe from an angle we cant see on the video? Maybe the officer was nervous and had an ND then went for the full monty? Who knows? I would love to get the PO's side of it.
 
The video is certainly damning. The MP looked pretty calm and cooperative on tape. The officer saying "get up". The MP saying "I'm getting up" and then the shots. Wow.

This will be rather interesting when more details come out.

As it stands now, it's pretty scary.

Thankfully he is alive and doing ok. Local news this morning says he was hit 3 times. Chest, arm, and leg.

He was not charged and they also released the driver without charging him pending investigation.
 
NineseveN said:
Maybe from an angle we cant see on the video? Maybe the officer was nervous and had an ND then went for the full monty? Who knows? I would love to get the PO's side of it.
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I agree. I'm just commenting on what I saw. In the enhanced version, the MP was moving slowly and getting up as he was told when the LEO fired.
I saw no sudden moves of any kind.
There are always two sides, though.
Biker
 
Gunsnrovers said:
Thankfully he is alive and doing ok. Local news this morning says he was hit 3 times. Chest, arm, and leg.
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How long before people are asking what caliber and brand of ammunition? ;) :D
 
Inline_6 said:
How long before people are asking what caliber and brand of ammunition? ;) :D
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Had to be a nine if he's fine, 'cause if it was a forty-five, he wouldn't be alive!
:neener:
Biker
 
First impression,

A good violation of his civil rights, until the review can be completed. If the cops had charged him, might be a different story. This MP may be able to retire in style after the lawsuit......chris3
 
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