Deputy Shooting Of Military Officer Under Investigation (merged multiple threads)

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Pretty obvious that the deputy told him to get up and the man said "I'm getting up," and you can see him trying to stand up and the deputy shoots him three times. My 2 cents; the deputy wanted to shoot him for some crazy reason. I guess he was not counting on being filmed. Pretty clear cut to me. Bad shoot.

Ric
 
medic_guns said:
Pretty obvious that the deputy told him to get up and the man said "I'm getting up," and you can see him trying to stand up and the deputy shoots him three times. My 2 cents; the deputy wanted to shoot him for some crazy reason. I guess he was not counting on being filmed. Pretty clear cut to me. Bad shoot.

Ric

Exactly. The cop screwed up BIG. He's done.

The kid is lucky to be alive.
 
"Shut the #@*& up!!"

I rarely get involved in these videos but this time something resonated.

Although this deputy will be presumed not guilty of shooting the passenger unjustifiably until all the facts come in, when I heard him shouting to the moaning man that he just shot three times to "Shut the #@*& up!!" ... "Shut the #@*& up!!" , it really strains my senses of remaining impartial.

cavman
 
In those situations you should do exactly as the officer tells you ,immediately, and nothing more and nothing less. If you don't you risk being shot !!.....but then many people are brainless !!
 
As near as I can tell from the video, the guy was doing exactly as he was told. Did you see something different, mete?
Biker
 
That looks bad.... Seems to me like they were communicating. I coulda sworn he said "get up" several times (?).

At any rate before the guy even gets on his feet he's being shot. Dosnt seem like much of a threat to me.
 
I'm curious why the deputy told him to get up in the first place.:confused: Would it not be easier to cuff him while down? That's why they make you go felony prone.
 
I'm very hesitant making judgements with a quick look at a video. I remember too well the Rodney King affair where the media 'conveniently' edited out the first half of the tape . When I finally saw the whole tape it was a very different story !!! We'll see how it plays out.
 
CHINO, Calif. - A videotape released Tuesday shows a sheriff’s deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force policeman who recently returned from Iraq as he appeared to obey an order to get up off the ground.

KTLA-TV broadcast a 40-second clip it said came from a Chino resident who videotaped Sunday night’s shooting, which followed a 100 mph car chase.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was listed in good condition at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. He was shot three times in the chest, ribs and leg, his father-in-law, Ernesto Paz, told KTLA-TV.

State and federal investigators are reviewing the case, officials said.

Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that crashed following a brief chase, authorities said.

Amateur photographer Jose Luis Valdez told The Associated Press that he made the video after the car crashed into the wall in front of his home. KTLA aired the videotape early Tuesday, then distributed it later in the day.

The dark, grainy picture shows Carrion lying on the ground next to the car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion supports himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer’s flashlight.

'Get up'
Carrion is heard telling the officer he is unarmed and is in the military.

At one point, a voice is heard saying several times: “Get up.”

Carrion says: “I’m gonna get up.” As he rises, at least four shots are fired and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.

“Shots fired! Shots fired!” someone shouts.

In a telephone interview conducted in Spanish, Valdez said after the shooting, Carrion asks the deputy, “Why did you shoot me if you told me to stand up?” That alleged exchange cannot be heard on the video.

The deputy, whose name was not released, was placed on paid administrative leave, a routine procedure in officer-involved shootings.

Carrion was not charged with a crime, although the incident remained under investigation, according to sheriff’s spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

The driver of the Corvette, identified by authorities as Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, was arrested for investigation of felony evading.

Carrion and Escobedo had left a party at the home of Carrion’s parents to drive to a store, said the airman’s wife, Mariela.

A woman who answered the telephone at the Montclair home of Carrion’s parents said they were headed to the hospital and nobody at the residence wanted to talk.

An Air Force spokesman, Lt. Frank Hartnett, said Carrion is a security officer at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

Chino is about 40 miles east of Los Angeles.
 
Let me get this straight... You can shoot someone and then go on "paid leave"? Man, I need to become a cop.:fire:

Maybe the officer was nervous

If by nervous you mean trigger happy, then yes, he was nervous.
 
Inline_6 said:
I'm curious why the deputy told him to get up in the first place.:confused: Would it not be easier to cuff him while down? That's why they make you go felony prone.

If the guy was an MP (as a navy MA myself)... He may have failed to comply because he thought he knew what the cop wanted. If he went prone right next to the vehicle the cop wouldn't be able to (safely) cuff him, there at least, beacuse he would have to approach the vehicle with unknown occupants(back seat, trunck, etc) So he orders him up, the guy is kinda complying, anddoes somthing, like reach for a badge... The video qula sucks as far as I'm concerned... As a point of reference, alot of HR-ers were saying on one string that a homeowner was justified in shooting a cop through a locked door... I wonder if they'll find the cop in this shoot at fault for shooting a man who was in a vehicle in a high speed chase? :confused:
 
Does being the passenger in a high speed chase give cops the right to summarily execute people?

The AF guy was the passenger.. I dont even think he is being charged with anything.. you can clearly see he has two has on the ground when he is complying with the order to get up. How does he even pose a threat when both of his hands are being used to push himself up.
 
You've gotta be kidding me. He clearly says "get up." It's plain as day, both there and even clearer on my big screen TV. The guy even says that he's complying and getting up as he rises.

It's not even close.

Don't think so? You can hear a third eye witness, probably on the street, asking why he shot the airman, saying "you told him to get up!" Why would that person say that if the deputy didn't clearly tell the guy to get up?

That's pretty screwed up. That guy is toast, and the tax payers of that municipality just got done a very bad disservice by a hot headed deputy who should have been in a different line of work. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt wherever possible...this just isn't one of those places, and every good cop in the nation was done wrong by this jackass.

Sad. And infuriating.
 
The deputy probably detected a furtive movement which can't be seen in the video. If you could see it, it wouldn't be furtive ;)
 
Look at the video, especially listen to it. Carrion is trying to calm him down, explaining he's in military security. He's told to 'get up' and as he begins to get up, is shot three times. The deputy then proceeds to swear at Carrion.

That 'deputy' is a thug and a punk. If he stays on the job, they'll find him floating some day. Meantime, the County of San Bernardino (what a craphole that place is) can write Carrion a big check.
 
Those who know me on this web know I am pro LE. This video makes me sick. Not an ounce of profesionalism on the Deputy's part. God, what thanks for a man who has risked his life for his country. I for one am ashamed.
Jim
 
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Wow, you'd think with the huge sums of money the taxpayers pay these deputies and all of the quality training they get, the deputy would have made a better decision than to shoot this guy:rolleyes: . I mean it's not like he was facing multiple non-compliant felony suspects in the dark of the night without backup, who had just led him on a 100mph plus car chase through neighborhoods endangering the officer and everyone else. I don't champion summary execution by the police, but you can't simply dismiss the suspect's behavior as harmless. These chases more often than not end in serious injury to the officers and, or innocent bystanders. When you evade the police in this reckless manner bad things are going to happen. I'm just glad these idiots didn't T-bone me in an intersection while running and I fully expect a USAF SP to understand the possible consequences of evading the police. I agree it looks like an improper shoot, but you've got to take into account how the participants ended up in the situation to begin with and I think a tax payer check is absolutely not warranted for the victims.
 
uhhhh.....the guy who was shot was a passenger.......he wasn't charged with anything.
 
sabre452 said:
Wow, you'd think with the huge sums of money the taxpayers pay these deputies and all of the quality training they get, the deputy would have made a better decision than to shoot this guy:rolleyes: . I mean it's not like he was facing multiple non-compliant felony suspects in the dark of the night without backup, who had just led him on a 100mph plus car chase through neighborhoods endangering the officer and everyone else. I don't champion summary execution by the police, but you can't simply dismiss the suspect's behavior as harmless. These chases more often than not end in serious injury to the officers and, or innocent bystanders. When you evade the police in this reckless manner bad things are going to happen. I'm just glad these idiots didn't T-bone me in an intersection while running and I fully expect a USAF SP to understand the possible consequences of evading the police. I agree it looks like an improper shoot, but you've got to take into account how the participants ended up in the situation to begin with and I think a tax payer check is absolutely not warranted for the victims.

Read the thread again man. You missed an important fact.
 
matthew.g.george said:
If the guy was an MP (as a navy MA myself)... He may have failed to comply because he thought he knew what the cop wanted. If he went prone right next to the vehicle the cop wouldn't be able to (safely) cuff him, there at least, beacuse he would have to approach the vehicle with unknown occupants(back seat, trunck, etc) So he orders him up, the guy is kinda complying, anddoes somthing, like reach for a badge... The video qula sucks as far as I'm concerned... As a point of reference, alot of HR-ers were saying on one string that a homeowner was justified in shooting a cop through a locked door... I wonder if they'll find the cop in this shoot at fault for shooting a man who was in a vehicle in a high speed chase? :confused:


I am absolutely disgusted by this video and by the response by some of my fellow members. Of course we don't have all the information, but I think the video makes the incident quite clear. The man was shot in the back while in the vulnerable position that the "officer" put him into. After the shooting, the "officer" did not clear the victim for weapons, indicating that he knew he was not in danger.

matthew.g.george YOU are the reason law-abiding people do not trust the police. Apparently you can't see or hear the video through the blue haze, and that is a shame.
 
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He hasn't been charged with anything yet and may not be. The point I was trying to make is there is no way for the officer to know what the guy's role in the evasion was. It was dark, they crashed, they bailed out of the car, and at least one fled. I completely agree that in the video the suspect appears to be complying with the officer. However, the officer has no way of knowing if this is a bad guy, good guy or other while he is attempting to control the suspect. I don't know what caused the officer to shoot, but I think its fair to withold judgement until we hear his statement. I don't think calling the deputy a hopped up crazy or jack booted thug is fair based on what I see in the video. This appears to be an unfortunate decision by the officer, which will end his career, subject him to financial ruin and possibly prison, because some jack ass decided to play "gone in 60 seconds" on the city streets. I'm just glad it appears the suspect will recover from his wounds and no one else paid a higher price for the whole situation.
 
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