Deputy's Rifle Discharges in Patrol Car

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"I've never herd of AR's just "going off".

Just another reason Police DO NOT need AR's."

So why do you need an AR?

I don't see what all the discussion is about. We are all aware that guns do not just "go off." The officer had a round in the chamber, which is a violation of his departments policy. He heard the gun rattling around and tried to make and adjustment while on the move. He couldn't see what he was doing while watching the road and his finger slipped into the trigger guard and discharged a round. He will be disciplined by his department.
 
If it was this type of mount I can see how the trigger could be pulled by fiddling with it while driving (aside from the condition 0 no-no). I kind of like this mount although the traditional standard vertical mounts by the front console sound easier to access.
Just thinking about what that must have sounded like makes my ears ring...or is that the tinnitus

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ETA: They have an update. Sheriff sounds like a responsible guy, glad nobody was hurt.

http://www.ktvz.com/Global/story.asp?S=7867140
'Appropriate personnel action taken,' sheriff says

By Barney Lerten, KTVZ.COM

"Appropriate personnel action" has been taken against a Deschutes County sheriff's deputy who accidentally fired his rifle from a moving patrol car on Highway 97 in north Bend earlier this month, Sheriff Larry Blanton said Wednesday.

An internal "investigation determined that there were policy violations in regards to the proper storage and inspection" of Deputy Ron Brown's AR-15 rifle, Blanton said in a news release, "and the sheriff's office has taken appropriate personnel action."

"I take full responsibility for the actions of all sheriff's office personnel," Blanton said in a statement. "The sheriff's office regrets that this incident occurred and wants to assure the public that we have taken the steps necessary to prevent similar incidents in the future."

Blanton told KTVZ.COM that Brown, who's been on the force for eight years, remains on "modified duty," but declined to specify what that entailed or how long it might last, citing personnel confidentiality rules.

He also said additional training was among the steps taken to prevent a recurrence of such incidents.

Investigators determined Brown's rifle "was mounted in a rack above his head" and "began rattling loose from its rack as he drove his patrol car on Highway 97" the evening of Feb. 5, the sheriff's statement said.

"Deputy Brown reached up to push the rifle back into the rack and accidentally put his thumb inside the trigger guard," Blanton said. "As he pushed the rifle back, his thumb depressed the trigger and fired one round."

"The bullet broke the rear driver's side window of the patrol car and penetrated the wall of a business across the street," Wood Monsters a flooring business, the statement said, noting that no one was injured.

Blanton earlier told The Bulletin department policy allows for bullets to be in a rifle's magazine in a patrol car, but not in the barrel "unless we are responding to an issue that would necessitate having a bulletin the barrel." The sheriff said Brown was on an overtime shift, patrolling for drunk drivers.
 
Sounds like he put it in the mount with the bolt locked open over a full mag (BIG No-NO) To ME and this is opinion only, he hit a bump, bolt went forawrd and chambered a round, he thought the sound was the mount opening up so he reached up to hold the rifle, and tangles his thumb onto the trigger. Still an ND since he didnt have the weapon in the proper condition in the mount in the first place. in my Dept he'd be looking at a 2-day.
 
I think he should not only be fired, he should be sued for all he's worth. I hope he loses his house. With 2 days a year of training, I'm sure he was more qualified than ANY Frontsight instructor. Shoot, let's just nail him to a cross while we or on the right track.

And then I hope they label his rifle as a WND (weapon of negligent discharge) that requires registering for the rest of it's life. A weapon that goes off with a simple bump of the so called "trigger" is a menace to society. I propose legislation to regulates these dangerous weapons of WND and prosecute EVERYONE that ever has a gun go off using this dangerous "trigger" -intentional or not. TO buy a gun (even BP) one would need two days to learn about how to manipulate a rifle in every situation and be held accountable for every bullets location once purchased. Just because we are human doesn't excuse us from knowing everything about everything at all times. We'll make this world a safer place- for the children- like it or not- for every law abiding citizen and poor unknowing Crim-izen.

After-all, NOBODY should have an AR, for any reason, let alone a silly cop for well documented reason to protect for society should the need arise. If we ban them from everybody's hands then we will all be safe. Right?

Justin
 
Poor fella.

I don't like alot of the police behavior I see in the news but and AD shouldn't cost the man his job if nobody was hurt.

There is a common misconception supported in the media that all police are firearms experts. Some are and some are not just like any other career field.
 
Why would you want to put a bullet in the barrel?
Technically the chamber is part of the barrel, so that statement was technically correct.

I don't see what all the discussion is about. We are all aware that guns do not just "go off." The officer had a round in the chamber, which is a violation of his departments policy. He heard the gun rattling around and tried to make and adjustment while on the move. He couldn't see what he was doing while watching the road and his finger slipped into the trigger guard and discharged a round. He will be disciplined by his department.
Yes that sounds logical, but maybe it is not what happened.

For all you know the rifle was carried correctly under departmental policy but somehow the carrier was damaged and caused the rifle to load and fire. Maybe not likely, but certainly within the realm of possibility. I think it was probably negligence, but there is always the chance it was not at all on the part of the officer, or maybe just partly his fault. It well could have been all on the part of his department which may have ordained that the rifle be carried action open, magazine in, safety off. Don't be so sure this was not departmental policy. You can bet it was departmental policy to have the weapons' carrier placed horizontally behind the driver's head (imagine that - simply beyond the realm of reason that the weapon would almost always be pointing in an unsafe direction). I have heard of other such instances of less than safe departmental firearms policies, and in fact have actually been ordered to carry weapons in almost as unsafe a manner by at least one of my agencies at one time or another in my 28 1/2 year career to date.

Just imagine carrying a Remington 12 gauge in your vehicle: safety on or off, slide/bolt forward, on an empty chamber, trigger has been pulled, four in the tube. If you know your Remington 870s, tell me is this safe in your opinion. Not in my personal opinion, but this is how some people have decided is the correct way to carry an 870 in a vehicle. It would be quite easy for soemthing to knock the slide back and forward again, such as a faulty shotgun carrier in a vehicle traveling on a very bumpy road, and easier still to fire the shotgun because as you should know, the Remington 870 (at least older models) do not need to have the trigger pulled to make them fire. Yet someone, in their infinite wisdom, has chosen this as the preferred method of carry in a vehicle in a law enforcement agency. Even if a round were not soemhow chambered, just the slide coming open means that when you pick up the 870, it is very likely you would inadvertatly chamber a round in the heat of the moment in which you might need the weapon. Scary, isn't it. But yet law enforcement officers are trained in such unsafe methods, and they are trained that such is safe. So how would an officer who followed such policy, one that he was instructed was the safe way to carry, be negligent if there was an unintended discharge of such a weapon that was caused by this type of policy in combination with a bumpy road and possibly faulty carrier? My bet is though, if you heard of some officer carrying like that, many of you would condemn the officer, as you just did the other officer, without knowing the facts. Sure someone is probably wrong, and while it may be the officer, it also may not be the officer, or it could just simply be a malfunction that caused the discharge.

As for you others who just cannot wait to bash a law enforcemnt officer, once again you spout off without all of the information. Sure he was probably wrong, but it simply galls me how some of you rush to judge with scant information, yet you most certainly would want to receive the benefit of the doubt if in a similar situation.


All the best,
Glenn B
 
Just imagine carrying a Remington 12 gauge in your vehicle: safety on or off, slide/bolt forward, on an empty chamber, trigger has been pulled, four in the tube. If you know your Remington 870s, tell me is this safe in your opinion. Not in my personal opinion, but this is how some people have decided is the correct way to carry an 870 in a vehicle. It would be quite easy for soemthing to knock the slide back and forward again, such as a faulty shotgun carrier in a vehicle traveling on a very bumpy road, and easier still to fire the shotgun because as you should know, the Remington 870 (at least older models) do not need to have the trigger pulled to make them fire.

So, what would YOU recommend? Assume round not chambered in all scenarios.

Trigger pulled, trigger not pulled, safety on, safety off?

What is the definition of 'cruiser safe'? It must vary.

My 'thoughts' are the best way for shotgun in a cruiser might be:

1. empty gun

2. pump slide, check no round in chamber, turn safety OFF.

3. make sure forend is fully forward.

4. pull trigger.

5. turn safety ON.

6. Load all rounds into magazine.

Then one needs only to pump it and place safety OFF to fire. But you apparently think that it's UNSAFE. Therefore,

What I've been doing at home until just recently-COCKED & LOCKED, safety ON, no round in chamber, that way as I understand it, NO WAY slide will move down without pressing the Action Bar Lock to pump the shotgun.

But I've just switched to above, #1-#6 (before reading your post), because I believe that in a stress situation there might be too much fumbling involved remembering to press that Action Bar Lock, pumping the gun, and deactivating the safety.

And if I were a cop, I think what you describe as not safe might be imperative. And could throw one off in subsequent shots if cocked and locked with no round in chamber. One needs consistency.

However, your experience speaks volumes, so I don't know what to make of this.

SEE MY NEW POLL relevant to this topic: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=344363
 
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Its probably going to be take 2 donuts and call the sherrif in the morn. Thats a minor deal with that bunch considering the ex sherriff is still in club fed and some of his buddys too. Stealing county money, selling ARs out the cop car doors or swapping sex for drugs in the schools is a bigger issue they have to cure.
 
"The bullet broke the rear driver's side window of the patrol car and penetrated the wall of a business across the street," Wood Monsters a flooring business, the statement said, noting that no one was injured.
No injuries? From the sound of it the muzzle was over his head. I'm sure he's got severe tinnitus and lose of hearing.
 
He said the rifle must first be loaded with a magazine and then cocked to get a bullet into the barrel.

Well... at least he called it a magazine and not a clip.


+1 to everything kpdpipes and Glenn Bartley said.
 
“(The rifle) was in its holder, but he heard it rattling up there and was trying to put it back,” Blanton said.

I vote that he pulled the trigger messing around with it while driving, and didnt realize where his hand was at the time.
 
I vote that he pulled the trigger messing around with it while driving, and didnt realize where his hand was at the time.
Yep. This makes the regular traffic accidents that cops have when playing on the laptop while driving look like nothing.
Awesome excuse: "Hey Cap'n, at least I didn't fire the rifle while driving."
maybe not that awesome.
 
I have this little flip switch thingy on the side of my Bushie. I believe they call it a "safety" or something like that.

So, all he did wrong was

1) have a live round the the chamber

2) have the safety off

3) pull the trigger

jeez...I can't figure out why it'd fire
 
* Sigh *

. . . it’s not an accident, it’s negligence.
Once again, we find that, if you are careless, you meant for it to happen.

So, all you people who drive cars remember: if you're careless with your vehicle on the road, then the resulting collision is NOT an accident, you negligently meant for it to happen.

'Cuz an accident is only ever something that was NOT in your power to prevent or predict.

*Sigh*
 
Hi ArfinGreebly,

It's not for me to argue with a moderator. Auto accidents have one or both of two causes, mechanical error or human error. If driving an auto is part of the driver's proffession than the only human error would be negligence. I'm glad to see we agree.

(Please don't pick on the sarcasm or it will never heal)

Selena
 
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