Sheriff's deputy has ND in the locker room of my gym!

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I wasn't there at the time, I just heard about it.

Considering that Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden signed my CCW permit, I'm going to write him a letter concerning the negligent discharge of one of his deputies, asking "what would have happened had I, a CCW holder, negligently discharged my carry weapon at the gym?"

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007702280355

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Deputy's weapon accidentally fired inside health club
By PAT FERRIER
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An off-duty sheriff's deputy accidentally discharged his duty weapon at Miramont Lifestyle Fitness, 901 Oakridge Drive, on Monday, narrowly missing a 14-year-old girl working in an adjacent room, Fort Collins police said Tuesday.

Lt. Robert Cook, a 19-year veteran of Larimer County Sheriff's Office, discharged his .45-caliber semi-automatic weapon in the men's lockerroom when he was changing clothes, said Rita Davis, spokeswoman for Fort Collins police, which is investigating the incident.

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Davis said Cook grabbed his gun and pants out of a locker after his workout. Davis said the safety may have become disengaged when Cook put the gun in the locker and it went off when he pulled it out.

The bullet went through the back of the locker and locker room wall and into another work cubicle occupied by a 14-year-old female club member, Davis said.

The name of the teen has not been released. "The bullet missed her," Davis said.

The bullet eventually hit a fabric wall, bounced off and hit the floor.

The girl's father, Terry Miller, said he hopes that some positive change can come out of the incident.

The fear started to set in when the girl got home, Miller said, but she is doing well.

Miller said he'd like to see a review of the Sheriff's office weapons policy, including what is considered a secure place to store a weapon.

"It (the locker) is not a secure location in my mind," he said.

Miller said he was angry Monday night but that has since passed because "anger doesn't get you anywhere."

"You can't look at 'what if' because it's done," he said. "Now we have to look at what can be done to prevent this from happening again."

Miller said this is an emotional situation for all involved and that he feels for Cook.

"I can only imagine how devastated he is," Miller said. "It has to be his worst nightmare. ... He's not a bad guy."

Linda Jensen, spokeswoman with the District Attorney's office said a meeting is scheduled today to go over the case.

It is not yet known whether there will be any legal action.

An internal investigation is under way in the sheriff's office, but Cook is back on active duty, said Maj. Justin Smith, commander of LCSO's patrol division.

"Thank goodness no one was hurt," Smith said. "I'm sorry it occurred and we're obviously concerned about anyone who was in the area."

Shane Hunsinger, general manager of the facility, said he was told to refer all questions to Fort Collins police. Hunsinger would not comment as to whether there is any policy regarding bringing weapons into the facility.

In addition to the internal investigation, Smith said, the department would review policies, safety and training to make sure "it's adequate."

"Given this is a 19-year veteran, someone who has a tremendous record in the agency and is not know to be reckless with firearms ... it's a big surprise."

Even off-duty law enforcement officers are considered on duty 24/7, Smith said, so it's not illegal or against regulations for Cook to have had his weapon at the health club.

Smith said in his 16 years with Larimer County Sheriff's Office, he could only recall three incidences of weapons being accidentally discharged.

"It's pretty rare that it happens," he said.

Coloradoan staff writer Sara Reed contributed to this report.
 
Good thing it is an old, slow .45 round with little penetration. A 9mm or 40S&W could have killed somebody!:eek:
 
Wow! I like the wording.
"I can only imagine how devastated he is," Miller said. "It has to be his worst nightmare. ... He's not a bad guy."
If it was a CCW holder, I doubt such empathy would be so forthcoming... ;)
 
I'm going to write him a letter concerning the negligent discharge of one of his deputies, asking "what would have happened had I, a CCW holder, negligently discharged my carry weapon at the gym?"

If you just insist in bringing it up:

Be sure to show sympathy and understanding, and state that you'd hope for the same if it had been you.

Be sure to emphasize that accidents/negligence (insert whatever term you like here) can happen to anyone.
 
"Considering that Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden signed my CCW permit, I'm going to write him a letter concerning the negligent discharge of one of his deputies, asking "what would have happened had I, a CCW holder, negligently discharged my carry weapon at the gym?"

I suggest you leave it alone if you want the sheriff to sign your CCW renewal. He is pi**ed off and embarassed enough; he won't take kindly to being tweaked by you.

Jim
 
it went off when he pulled it out.

Nope. It went off as he pulled the trigger. He should have charges brought against him just like any of us would.

In prior cases how have NDs from CCW holders in a public place ended up?

Typically with reckless endangerment charges against the gun owner, at the least.
 
We have no way of knowing it was an ND, and not an AD. Presumption of innocence and all that, I'd say that short of actual evidence of stupidity (in particular, finger-on-trigger-ness) it's fair to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was a genuine mechanical failure or snag.
 
Sounds like somebody needs to practice proper trigger discipline...
No Kidding. Safety on or not, that weapon would not have discharged if properly handled.
Why wasn't this weapon holstered?
Good question regarding the holster as well.
I am pretty sure if this had happened to one of us, it would have been handled with a little less sympathy and understanding:rolleyes:
 
it's fair to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was a genuine mechanical failure or snag.

No it's really not. Snags go under NDs, and mechanical failures are so rare as to not be statistically relevant.

That said, no reason not to be as nice as we'd expect someone to be to us.
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this: "I'm the only person in this room professional enough to use this wea- *-POW-*

Le sigh...if only we peons possessed the infallible firearms skills with which professional law-enforcement is endowed.
 
@Jim

You're probably right to not phase it like that. Perhaps I'll just say "Please sign this guy up for remedial firearms training, and buy him a Smartcarry."
 
This is why I love my Rocketman holster so much. It is so easy to remove the holstered pistol from my belt if I need to, which keeps the trigger covered. As for this being an AD, no, it was an ND. The pistol should have been pointed in a safe direction while being handled and the trigger covered. A 19 year veteran should have known better and I doubt he had some junk gun without the appropriate safety features.
 
In prior cases how have NDs from CCW holders in a public place ended up?
Not sure. I hardly ever hear of a CCW holder doing something like this. But the standard excuse seems to be heard often enough for Law Enforcement types. Let me add that I am not, nor do I intend for this to become a bashing thread... My comment is geared toward the apologists that condone negligence...
 
My comment is geared toward the apologists that condone the negligence...

No one is condoning it I don't think. Handle firearms long enough and the odds may very well catch up with you.

That's why there are 4 rules. If you break one the other 3 save your a**
 
Smith said in his 16 years with Larimer County Sheriff's Office, he could only recall three incidences of deputies going to a gym.

"It's pretty rare that it happens," he said.
 
Davis said the safety may have become disengaged when Cook put the gun in the locker and it went off when he pulled it out.

I tell you those damned Glocks just aren't safe!

Hey wait a minute . . . :p

jm
 
"Lt. Robert Cook, a 19-year veteran of Larimer County Sheriff's Office, discharged his .45-caliber semi-automatic weapon"
 
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