Derranger recommendations?

[Wildbillz]

Hi All
I am thinking of getting a derranger. Anyone have one and or want to make a recomdation? 22cal, 32cal or ???

Thanks
WB

 

[Jim Watson]

Quit thinking, they ain't much good.

 

[Classified00]

http://www.bondarms.com/

I love my Cowboy Defender in 410 / 45LC

 

[David E]

A DERRINGER is a great weapon choise...........

for the OTHER guy.........

 

[M2 Carbine]

I've got the Bond Arms Derringer in 45ACP and 38/357.

It's well made and heavy and a Derringer is awkward to use, but it will put two holes in a person if the shooter is up to it.

 

[Shadow 7D]

For about the same size you can get a auto holding 6-10 rounds, why settle for two?

 

[Classified00]

Hmmmmm ..... I wonder how many people, after having been shot twice by one, will hold to their belief that derringers are ineffective?

Hmmmmm ..... I also wonder why some people jump to the conclusion that everyone who buys a derringer plans to use it as a self defense gun or a primary EDC? People DO still buy guns for their uniqueness, their historical reference and just for the fun of it don't they?

 

[Giterboosted]

I also have a bond arms but mine is a cowboy defender in 45 colt/.410, and trust me do your part and itl do just fine lol, 45 colts plenty big, but I wouldn't carry it by itself, I use mine as a bg or a bedside

 

[1858remington]

Bond Arms +1

I have a bond arms and i love it. Its minimalistic for a defence gun. But quality wise Bond arms is the <deleted>. Its best feature is the interchangability of the barrels to different calibers. I have both a 44 special, and a 357mag barrel for mine.

Bond arms is now selling seconds. Barrels that are functional just not pretty. But the price is about 50% of a perfect one.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Bond Arms Derringers are very good and accurate pistols. That said they are also very large and they are expensive too. If you're looking for something like that you found your Derringer company. If you want something more like the originals in size take a look at the Derringers made by Cobra Firearms. Mind you, they aren't built like a tank as the Bond Arms guns but they are built well enough to be as accurate as a Derringer can be. I have had several at times bit right now the only one I have is in .38 Special. They have 3 "classes" of Derringers, Standard, Big Bore and Long Bore. If you want a .38 Special you will have to buy the Big Bore. The Standard goes up to .32 Auto. (I think)

A Bond Arms Derringer can cost as much as $500 and you can get a Cobra for as little as $125. Both are worth the price they charge...

Hope this helps a little...

 

[pockets]

Also keep in mind that Cobra derringers are clones of the Davis Industries design. Parts interchange even. A pre-owned Davis gun can usually be had for a bit less money than a new Cobra. Although the Cobra warranty is good (as long as they are still around).
Since you mentioned .32acp; the Davis/Cobra .32acp derringer uses the .22/.25/.22mag frame and is quite small. Fun little shooters for close-in. They have a decent hammer block safety also. They may not become an heirloom, but so what?

And already as mentioned; if this is to be a CCW, a Keltec P32 is not all that much larger and carries 4 times the round count.

 

[Armored farmer]

I have a Davis in .22mag. It's pretty much useless at more than 7yds. I carried It in my fishing vest North of the border a few times.
Since I reload both .45colt and .410, I have looked into a Bond Arms .45c/.410. If they weren't so pricey....I'd have one. They are not small tho.

 

[Ole Coot]

I won one in 38cal on a tip-board, sold it back immediately, wouldn't carry one on a bet. Hi Standard made a nice 22cal several years back and If I wanted one to stick in someone's ear guess I would go with the High Standard.

 

[Wildbillz]

How big are the KelTec as compaired to the Davis guns and such? More shots makes more sence.

WB

 

[Jim Watson]

I have a Great Western for CAS side matches. I haven't got the knack of cocking it onehanded and they are darned dangerous if dropped, so I two-hand it; grab the barrels with one hand and cock with the other thumb.

I once had a High Standard .22 magnum DA derringer. Unlike some I read about, it shot quite well. I traded it off when I got uncomfortable thinking about self defense with two shots available. Although there was a guy near here who shot his way out of a kidnapping with one.

 

[Justin]

Derringers are obsolete and here's why:

• You can find autoloaders of similar size and weight that hold three times as much ammunition.
• Autoloaders don't need to have the hammer cocked between every shot.
• Derringers generally do not have drop safeties. If the weapon is dropped, there is a statistically significant chance that it will discharge.
• To compensate for the lack of a drop safety, most derringers have horrendously heavy triggers.

The only place where derringers have a legitimately useful application are those where their nostalgia appeal is more important than their usefulness as a defensive weapon.

Which is to say, they can be great fun when used at Cowboy Action matches.

 

[NMGonzo]

A snubnose 5 shot .357 IS the best derringer.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Hmmmmm ..... I wonder how many people, after having been shot twice by one, will hold to their belief that derringers are ineffective?

I wonder how many people, after having missed both shots with their derringer, held to their belief that derringers are effective?

Remember, most shots fired in gunfights miss. A derringer is a double handicap -- hard to shoot well under stress, and only two shots.

 

[fireside44]

I wonder how many people, after having missed both shots with their derringer, held to their belief that derringers are effective?

Don't really know what you mean. Anyone with practice can shoot accurately with a derringer of reasonable quality at SD distances. Sure, it ain't the greatest defensive weapon but that wasn't the OP's question nor was anyone thus far making that claim.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Try shooting it under stress -- against an opponent who has an M1911, a good .357, or a high cap 9mm or .40 S&W.

I put about 5,000 rounds a year through my Kimber Classic, and the same through my .38s. How many rounds a year do you burn up with your derringer?

 

[gordy]

I have three of the davis. One in 22 and one in 32 and one in 38.
I will say they are fun to shoot. They all have triggers that to say the least SUCK. If you are going to use it for self defense, I would recommend one of the many 380's out there. I like the kel-tec.
If you want it for fun ? buy one they can be a blast.

 

[fireside44]

Try shooting it under stress -- against an opponent who has an M1911, a good .357, or a high cap 9mm or .40 S&W.

Who was advising policing the streets with a derringer?..lol

I put about 5,000 rounds a year through my Kimber Classic, and the same through my .38s. How many rounds a year do you burn up with your derringer?

So far I haven't had to shoot anyone with it, so none.

 

[David E]

Hmmmmm ..... I wonder how many people, after having been shot twice by one, will hold to their belief that derringers are ineffective?

Hmmmm, I wonder how many people think they'll have enough time to cock that hammer twice in a quickly unfolding deadly confrontation.

A Derringer might work......if there is enough time and luck to employ it.....but you don't get to decide if either of those things will happen.

Classified00, you take your Bond Arms Cowboy Defender carried in your CCW holster and I'll take my carry gun in its CCW holster. Starting hands at sides, at signal, draw and fire two shots in the "A" zone of a 3 yd IPSC target. I'm willing to bet that not only will I have my second shot on target before you do, but I'll also have my first shot on target before you do.

A Derringer may be a fun novelty, but not a serious choice for defense.

 

[fireside44]

I'm willing to bet that not only will I have my second shot on target before you do, but I'll also have my first shot on target before you do.

My gun is faster than your gun. What's next, spitballs and farting contests?

 

[David E]

It's not hard to figure out that someone 1/2 way competent with their sidearm can outshoot the derringer in my "challenge", even when the derringer is wielded by an expert.

I'm just pointing out an antiquated design just can't keep up. As a result, it's a mighty poor SD choice.