Despite Large Majorities, Democrats Are Chicken on Gun Control

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The leftists from Eric Alterman's crowd are at it again. This time it's Drew Westen, a "Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry." I thought Emory University was a high rated school, but I wonder after this tripe. It's still a good read, from a "know your enemy" standpoint.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/55094/?page=1

Democratic leaders offered the requisite condolences. But that's all they offered. They didn't mention that the Republican Congress had let the Brady Act, which banned the sale of semiautomatic weapons, sunset in 2004. They didn't mention that in the decade or so after the passage of that act, 100,000 felons lost their right to bear arms, but not a single hunter lost that right. Instead, the Democrats ran for political cover, waiting for the smoke to clear.

This wasn't the first time Democrats scattered when threatened with Republican gunshots. They were silent as the Beltway sniper terrorized our nation's capital a month before the midterm elections of 2002. And they have been silent or defensive on virtually every "wedge" issue that has divided our nation for much of the last 30 years. When the Republicans tried to play the hate card again in 2006, this time under the cover of immigration reform, Democrats scrambled to pull together a "policy" on immigration, instead of simply asking, "What's the matter, gays aren't working for you anymore?"

(snip)

Although most Americans were much closer to Gore than Bush on guns in the 2000 Harris poll, they thought Bush was stronger on gun control. Although Kerry had hunted all his life, Bush was the overwhelming choice of American sportsmen, even though he'd purchased his Crawford ranch as a prop only two years before running for president -- something Democrats never thought to mention in two presidential campaigns. Nor did they mention, as James Carville and Paul Begala have pointed out, that Bush had stocked his ranch's man-made lakes with fish because the river running through it was too polluted.

These are just the kinds of facts and images that win elections. And they are just the kinds of facts and images that should win elections, because they tell where a candidate really stands, not just where he stands for photo ops.

(snip)

With the polls strongly at their backs, Democrats had a historic opportunity to turn the Republicans' indifference to the suffering at Virginia Tech into a moral condemnation, and to put every Republican in Congress on record as caring more about the blood-soaked dollars of the NRA than about the lives of our children. Instead, they turned tail and ran, fearing they'd be branded as "anti-gun" and pushed down the slippery slope the NRA has used to pick them off at the ballot box for years: "They want to take away your gun."

But you only have to worry about getting branded and being pushed down slippery slopes if you're playing checkers while the other side is playing chess -- worrying about their next move when you should be anticipating six moves ahead. Democrats didn't do what they knew was the right thing because of their concerns about the political fortunes of red-state Democrats like Heath Shuler in North Carolina. But they wouldn't have had to worry -- and they would have picked up a lot of "security moms" and plenty of dads -- if they had simply put Shuler in front of the camera, flanked by a couple of pro-gun Democrats like Montana Senator Jon Tester, with a hunting rifle over his left shoulder and an M-16 over his right, armed with a simple message:
This [pointing to the gun on his left] is a rifle.
This [the gun on his right] is an assault weapon.
People like you and me use this one
to hunt.
Criminals, terrorists, and deranged teenagers use this one
to hunt police officers and our children.
Law-abiding citizens have the right to own one of these
.
Nobody has the right to threaten our kids' safety with one of these
.
Any questions?
If you can't speak the truth and win elections, you need to learn another language. The language that wins elections is the language of the heart.





It's the same thing the DLC is pushing on us. Mark Mellman, Mark Penn (Hillary's pollster), etc.​
 
Nobody has the right to threaten our kids' safety with one of these
.​

no government has the right to threaten my safety by refusing me an adequate defenses to thier actions.

i puked in my mouth a little at this point
control. Although Kerry had hunted all his life
ya, allthat low crawling hunting deer with his trusty 28" over under.​
 
ya, allthat low crawling hunting deer with his trusty 28" over under.

Can I get meh a huntin' license....:barf:

(Where's that Kewwy '04 picture with Elmer Fudd??)

The thing that irks me most about this stuff, besides the fact that it takes freedoms away - is that these people insult my intelligence beyond belief. I know the voting record of Hillary, Obama (state senate and US Senate), McCain, Rudy (as mayor), Dodd, and Biden. I could sort of respect them if they were honest about being gun grabbers and not this "I'm pro hunting" trash.
 
Reading this stuff can drive you crazy, but to some extent, it shows that things have swung a bit in our direction. I've watched gun laws on top of gun laws passed ever since the assasination of President Kennedy. Early on neither side of the gun control debate really had much history or experience to site as evidence. We could only do our best to predict what might happen. I think the lowest point was in the early 90's... 30 years of gun control had whittled away at the 2nd Amendment with great success, the Clintons came into power, and the Brady Bunch was flushed with power and ambition. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban both lay ahead. Since then, though, we've all had a chance to watch history unfold. Even the Clinton's DOJ could find no postive effects of gun control laws. Every mass shooting has occurred in a "gun free zone." The cities with the tightest gun control laws have the highest violent crime rates. And internationally, countries that were looked upon as "models of gun control" are having increases in their own violent crime as our rates dropped.
The fight will never end, but more and more we can point at actual social experience, and the gun banners have to rely on packs of lies, emotions, and distortions like this. We have to keep our guard up, but really, crap like this is the best the antis can come up with anymore.
Marty
 
I thought Emory University was a high rated school, but I wonder after this tripe.
Remember, Emory brought us Professor Michael Bellesiles and Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture , until it became obvious that the research behind the book was, in large part, less than rigorous.
 
fish?

He stocked his lakes with fish? That scoundrel! I can't believe I voted for someone who would stock his lake with fish. Impeachment! Fishgate!
 
Professor Michael Bellesiles and Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture , until it became obvious that the research behind the book was, in large part, less than rigorous.

That's very generous of you. Most people would say that Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture was almost completely fabricated to lend academic credence to one side of a political discussion. Emory University only sacked Mr Bellesiles once it became glaringly obvious to academics on his side of the debate that the work was an utter fraud. I am quite sure that the people running Emory agreed with Mr Bellesiles completely and would really rather have not had to fire him.
 
Like many political psychologist that I know this person is assuming that the voters are stupid and completely malleable. This is an erroneous assumption in my opinion.

The worry for the Democrats is that supporting gun control does not aid in reelection or election. Those that support gun control will usually support the Democrats regardless of their stance on gun control, since the Republican candidate will not be amendable to many of their opinions. So supporting gun control does not help the Democrats, all it does is alienate moderate and swing voters. With the 2006 elections a lot of analysts have been telling the Democrats to either shut up about gun control or to just drop the issue.
 
I know this person is assuming that the voters are stupid and completely malleable. This is an erroneous assumption in my opinion.
I wish it was erroneous, but I'm not so sure. I do agree with your analysis that gun control isn't a subject likely to sway moderates.
 
I don’t think a lobbyist group that represents thousands of people is such a bad thing. I don't view them as special interest. Do you? What is bad is the fact that a lobbyist group had to be created to protect our constitutional rights as citizens.
 
I think the Dems really are chicken on the issue. The top party leadership has not changed much, and they are all for banning guns and possibly grabbing them as well. They are biding their time and camouflaging their real stance on the issues by letting pro-gun Dems in the tent. Until the pro-gun Dems have utterly usurped the national leadership, Democrat = gun grabber. THey will have to shine on other issues to get elected, IOW.
 
ALL of our politicians should be "chicken" about a lot of things.

A representative scared of his/her constituents is the only kind we should ever have.
 
What's amazing is that this system actually mostly works!!

60% (or whatever random number the media comes up with) support "reasonable restrictions" on gun rights, but the mob still doesn't give politicians enough power to crush individual rights. Woohoo.
 
if they had simply put Shuler in front of the camera, flanked by a couple of pro-gun Democrats like Montana Senator Jon Tester, with a hunting rifle over his left shoulder and an M-16 over his right, armed with a simple message:

Quote:

This [pointing to the gun on his left] is a rifle.
This [the gun on his right] is an assault weapon.
People like you and me use this one
to hunt.
Criminals, terrorists, and deranged teenagers use this one
to hunt police officers and our children.​

Law-abiding citizens have the right to own one of these
.
Nobody has the right to threaten our kids' safety with one of these
.
Any questions?​


Where did criminals, terrorists and derranged teenagers get a hold of an M16? I challenge anyone to point to a single case in the last 30 years of a murder with an M16 in the US that was lawfully owned by the killer.​
 
Where did criminals, terrorists and derranged teenagers get a hold of an M16? I challenge anyone to point to a single case in the last 30 years of a murder with an M16 in the US that was lawfully owned by the killer.

and even if you can find one or two case(s), does that justify preventing everybody from owning one. Freedom comes with a price and I am willing to pay it.

A representative scared of his/her constituents is the only kind we should ever have.

Ding ding ding!
 
He stocked his lakes with fish? That scoundrel! I can't believe I voted for someone who would stock his lake with fish. Impeachment! Fishgate!

He's trying to appeal to sportsmen... because all people who own guns hunt and fish... except for me... who likes military style assault weapons for self-defense and target shooting.

Someone needs to get the memo: the "sportsmen's clause" to gun ownership is dead.
 
Also, ten bucks says Drew Westen, the author of that article, sits around pulling his hair out completely unable to understand why anyone would disagree with his little hunting rifle and M16 story. Another 20 bucks to wager that he feels like he is well-educated on this issue and understands gun owners. I've seen that a lot lately.
 
They didn't mention that the Republican Congress had let the Brady Act, which banned the sale of semiautomatic weapons, sunset in 2004.
He lost me right there in the first line. The Brady Act was not the AWB. If he had done any reasearch, had any familiarity with what he was writing about, he would know that.
 
:barf:John Muhammed and Lee Malvo his young assistant used a Bushmaster XM-15 E2 to pick off 19 peole around suburban Va. The kill rate was 17 out of 19. They did it single shot, no spray firing, so I guess that means we should ban hunting rifles as well, even single shot .223.?????

Its the criminal, not the weapon, besides we all know that criminals prefer easily concealable handguns right?? Some of our worst criminls prefer $10,000 Perrazzis.

As a Delawarean I despise my Senator Joe Biden, he's an NRA Life F- , :barf:voting for every gun ban that comes along. Funny thing though he's an avid Sporting Clays/Trap Skeet Guy, and he probably hunts Ducks as well. That just makes him a hypocrit, but he's a deyed in the wool gun banner, despite being a Sportsman"
 
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